What the hell happened to all of this topic ?

Rack-Attack - did you edit all this or a moderator or what ?

See "My Apology" thread.

I don't see that thread

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I forgot you trads have problems with these "modern" computers

"...he is allowed more room for error." Perhaps I've been doing it wrong, all these years, but I don't recall the targets I've shot with my stickbows being any bigger than the targets I shot at with my compounds. [:-] The spots on the NFAA targets were the same size and same distances.

Let's examine 3D. Nowadays, they've got different distances for different classes, and NONE of them are as far as they were in the mid-80's. In the beginning of IBO, max yardages were 'about 60 yards' which meant they were often closer to 70. There were men's, womens and youth stakes. Men all shot from the same stake, no matter what equipment they were shooting. No binoculars. 5-pin, non adjustable sights. 12" max stabilizer. That that was when bows were screaming fast if they shot over 200 fps!

Now we've got bows spitting out arrows well over 300 fps, scopes, 3' stabilizers, binoculars, umbrellas, etc... but maximum yardages of 50 yards... For the PRO's!?!

Using gear to eliminate as much challenge as possible, then shortening the distances to eliminate even more of the challenge. They've shortened the distances even more for the 'lower' classes.

There are traditional archers today who want NFAA to cut their maximum distance to 50 yards instead of 80. It was 'traditional' archers who set the current distances out to 80 yards, MANY years ago. Today's trads can't meet the challenge set by our forebears. Just like today's 3D'ers can't hack the challenge their forebears did, only 20 years ago.

Is it just archery skills that are in decline, or is it a lack of commitment and drive to excel that's in decline? Whatever, our sport is in a decline. Oh, our numbers are increasing, for sure. But skill levels are going in the dumper.

Just think, if the trend continues, in another 20 years the pro's will be shooting 500 fps arrows with lazer guidance systems at 20 yards. Trads will be lobbing away at targets 5 yards downrange.

You asked this:

Then you say this:

Then there's this:

So I say........ WHAT?!!!! You don't even know what you are asking or saying, do you? If an archer shoots ANY bow long enough, more than likely that archer will get good with that bow. Not an issue. What you asked in essence is what is more challenging to get to that point - a compound, or traditional bow?

You answered your own question: let me quote you again:
So what is there to discuss here? Looks like you cleared it up for all of us, Rack.

Shooting a compound better than a recurve is NOT shooting a compound well.

If the criteria was just to shoot it better - than yes - it is easier.

But that is not the criteria.

Jeez! The correct answer is a "no brainer!" A recurve and longbow is definitely not for toddlers and the "Gucci" shooters.

However, RA may be close to being right. Many of the radical shooting gallery bows that are out there today, with the crap that is on many of them, would be a challenge for Howard Hill to shoot consistently accurate with.

I'm hoping this was a statement of blissful ignorance and not true belief. As arthur stated The deer's lungs are the same size for your almighty bowtech as they are for the longbow.

Speaking of taking a person off the street and letting them shoot a dozen arrows. My friend is left handed, left eye dominant. He wanted to shoot my righthanded bow that was about 1.5 too short in the draw length. I had to tell him to use his other eye to look through the peep, then line up the pin where you want it to hit. he let it go and what do you know right in the middle of the 2 inch ring. He did this several times.

I guarantee you take him and put a longbow, no sights, no release, no anything and he would be hard pressed to hit the 6'x8' fence panel behind the target.

c903,

Does it burn your backside when you see or hear of some of the "Gucci" shooters consistenly killing deer, especially big bucks? Sounds a lot like antler envy to me