Okay, I'm pissed......
01-27-2004 | 08:58 AM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
Charlie P - And I didn't blame my equipment either, did I ? And I didn't say "hell, I'd do exactly the same thing again" eitehr, did I ? Nope, my failure on my elk hunt was MY FAULT, I learned from it and on I go.
Thats all any of us can do - learn from our mistakes, but you gotta acknowledge the core of the problem before the learning can begin, agree ?
Thats all any of us can do - learn from our mistakes, but you gotta acknowledge the core of the problem before the learning can begin, agree ?
01-27-2004 | 09:08 AM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
Stealthy relax.
Basically you were sounding a bit hollier the the thou,ok. I was just try to let the guy know that you have admitted mistakes before ok?
Take ole Stealthy with a grain of salt or pound which ever works better.
Learn something from this and don't repeat the same mistake, It wasn't the broadheads fault.
We all do stupid things, Ask Stealthy about his Elk trip this year, you'll find out he's not perfect.
Learn something from this and don't repeat the same mistake, It wasn't the broadheads fault.
We all do stupid things, Ask Stealthy about his Elk trip this year, you'll find out he's not perfect.
01-27-2004 | 09:24 AM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
Stealthy - I know where you're trying to head with your comments but there's another side to what you are saying (as there always seems to be
- just kidding man). We as bow hunters know that deer have to be close. Everyone has a different view of what close is. I personally will not take a shot beyond 30 yards and more times than not wait until that distance is closed down to 20 or less. BUT, I have missed deer at 14 yards. This was my fault, for whatever reason, I blew the shot. The point I'm trying to make here is we cannot judge another person by their misses simply because missing is part of shooting anything be it a bow or a gun. Since I've missed at 14 yards, does that mean I am grounded from making that same shot again? Absolutely not, that's nuts. This does however mean that I will think through the shot for weeks on end pinpointing exactly what I've done wrong in order not to do it again, but eliminating that shot from my bag isn't the thing to do. I think that's what GH is going through - by saying he would take the shot again means that he has enough confidence to effectively make that shot but something went wrong. Probably those cheap useless mechanicals!
- just kidding man). We as bow hunters know that deer have to be close. Everyone has a different view of what close is. I personally will not take a shot beyond 30 yards and more times than not wait until that distance is closed down to 20 or less. BUT, I have missed deer at 14 yards. This was my fault, for whatever reason, I blew the shot. The point I'm trying to make here is we cannot judge another person by their misses simply because missing is part of shooting anything be it a bow or a gun. Since I've missed at 14 yards, does that mean I am grounded from making that same shot again? Absolutely not, that's nuts. This does however mean that I will think through the shot for weeks on end pinpointing exactly what I've done wrong in order not to do it again, but eliminating that shot from my bag isn't the thing to do. I think that's what GH is going through - by saying he would take the shot again means that he has enough confidence to effectively make that shot but something went wrong. Probably those cheap useless mechanicals!
01-27-2004 | 12:44 PM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
badshotbob - Agreed, but the farther away the animal is the greater the skill the bowhunter must have in shooting and hunting to make the shots. Chuck Adams has it, others have it - 95% of regular joe bowhunters DO NOT have it - I by the way am one that does NOT have it. 
01-27-2004 | 02:16 PM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
I haven't taken the time to read through this whole thread...So some of what I say may have been touched on already.
First, you say 10 minutes before total dark. That to me sounds like you are past legal shooting hours.
Second, if you couldn't see where the arrow hit on the deer then you took too far of a shot when you didn't have enough light.
Third, 35 yards with a mech head, and you still wonder why you didn't get good penetration? When using mech heads haveing a precisionly tuned bow is even more important because the head takes up so much energy on impact so it can open. Any little porpoising of the arrow will increase that energy take up by the broadhead exponentially.
Fourth, dude, your a rook bowhunter taking a 35 yard shot? Heck most pro's don't take shots over 30 yards at whitetails...and that's why they're pros. They know deer better. What is it, sound travels at 700 some odd feet per second. If your arrow is traveling 280fps, that means that deer that is 105 feet away, can hear the sound of your bow after .15 seconds, when it takes your arrow .375 seconds to reach the deer...and that doesn't even account for arrow speed loss due to drag. That deer has .225 seconds to react to the sound which in this time of the hunting season it will react without question. Gravity affects objects at 9.8 meters per second. That a rough equivalent to 32.144 feet per second. Divide that by ten and you get 3.21ft for every tenth of a second. So that deer had the opportunity to drop 6.42 feet from the time it hears your bow til the time the arrow makes it to the deer. I feel I was being pretty generous with the arrow speed as well.
I'm gonna have to say that the deer dropped and spun back away from it's traveling direction. Yet, you found blood halfway up your arrow which is more than enough penetration to nail both lungs. Since you failed to find the deer chances are you gut shot it and it had a nice long painful death...
First, you say 10 minutes before total dark. That to me sounds like you are past legal shooting hours.
Second, if you couldn't see where the arrow hit on the deer then you took too far of a shot when you didn't have enough light.
Third, 35 yards with a mech head, and you still wonder why you didn't get good penetration? When using mech heads haveing a precisionly tuned bow is even more important because the head takes up so much energy on impact so it can open. Any little porpoising of the arrow will increase that energy take up by the broadhead exponentially.
Fourth, dude, your a rook bowhunter taking a 35 yard shot? Heck most pro's don't take shots over 30 yards at whitetails...and that's why they're pros. They know deer better. What is it, sound travels at 700 some odd feet per second. If your arrow is traveling 280fps, that means that deer that is 105 feet away, can hear the sound of your bow after .15 seconds, when it takes your arrow .375 seconds to reach the deer...and that doesn't even account for arrow speed loss due to drag. That deer has .225 seconds to react to the sound which in this time of the hunting season it will react without question. Gravity affects objects at 9.8 meters per second. That a rough equivalent to 32.144 feet per second. Divide that by ten and you get 3.21ft for every tenth of a second. So that deer had the opportunity to drop 6.42 feet from the time it hears your bow til the time the arrow makes it to the deer. I feel I was being pretty generous with the arrow speed as well.
I'm gonna have to say that the deer dropped and spun back away from it's traveling direction. Yet, you found blood halfway up your arrow which is more than enough penetration to nail both lungs. Since you failed to find the deer chances are you gut shot it and it had a nice long painful death...
01-27-2004 | 05:34 PM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
Look,
You had a case of buckfever, even the best get it. As for taking a 35 yard shot with 10 min until total darkness, well it was a mistake which you need to learn from. I also think you should reconsider this statement
and learn from your mistake. 2 dead does would equal 4 deer. You should have sympathy and remorse no matter what animal you kill. If i didn't i wouldn't deserve to hunt. We ALL have taken bad shots and have missed, but you need to take that and learn from it so you can BETTER yourself.
You had a case of buckfever, even the best get it. As for taking a 35 yard shot with 10 min until total darkness, well it was a mistake which you need to learn from. I also think you should reconsider this statement
Would I take the same shot again? HELL YEA!!!!!!!!
01-27-2004 | 06:06 PM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
Can I ask you what your set up is?
Oh well, there's always tomorrow!!
01-27-2004 | 07:50 PM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
In my state of Pa they have shooting times that end well before Dusk and you can still see you pins at the time they want you to stop hunting. Saftey First!!!!!!!!!
01-27-2004 | 08:16 PM
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RE: Okay, I'm pissed......
ORIGINAL: GVDocHoliday
I haven't taken the time to read through this whole thread...So some of what I say may have been touched on already.
FIRST OF ALL YOU SHOULD READ IT ALL BEFORE RESPONDING.....
ING.....First, you say 10 minutes before total dark. That to me sounds like you are past legal shooting hours.
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG....WAS WITHIN 5 MINUTES OF LEGAL. YOU ARE STARTING OUT LOOKING LIKE A DIP, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE...
Second, if you couldn't see where the arrow hit on the deer then you took too far of a shot when you didn't have enough light.
HMMM...LET'S SEE, I SHOT, SHE RAN FAST.....
Third, 35 yards with a mech head, and you still wonder why you didn't get good penetration? When using mech heads haveing a precisionly tuned bow is even more important because the head takes up so much energy on impact so it can open. Any little porpoising of the arrow will increase that energy take up by the broadhead exponentially.
YOU THINK I JUST PICKED THIS BOW UP OF A WAL-MART SHELF? NO FURTHER RESPONSE TO THAT IGNORANT COMMENT.
Fourth, dude, your a rook bowhunter taking a 35 yard shot? Heck most pro's don't take shots over 30 yards at whitetails...and that's why they're pros. They know deer better. What is it, sound travels at 700 some odd feet per second. If your arrow is traveling 280fps, that means that deer that is 105 feet away, can hear the sound of your bow after .15 seconds, when it takes your arrow .375 seconds to reach the deer...and that doesn't even account for arrow speed loss due to drag. That deer has .225 seconds to react to the sound which in this time of the hunting season it will react without question. Gravity affects objects at 9.8 meters per second. That a rough equivalent to 32.144 feet per second. Divide that by ten and you get 3.21ft for every tenth of a second. So that deer had the opportunity to drop 6.42 feet from the time it hears your bow til the time the arrow makes it to the deer. I feel I was being pretty generous with the arrow speed as well.
HOW DARE YOU CLASSIFY ME PERIOD. I ONLY REPORTED THAT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST BOW KILL. JUST HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN BOW HUNTING GENIUS? AS TO YOUR ARROW SPEED B.S. YOU TAKE ALL THAT INFO. AND SHOVE IT...........
I'm gonna have to say that the deer dropped and spun back away from it's traveling direction. Yet, you found blood halfway up your arrow which is more than enough penetration to nail both lungs. Since you failed to find the deer chances are you gut shot it and it had a nice long painful death...
GUT SHOT??? LOL.......YOU NEED TO CRAWL BACK UNDER THAT ROCK YOU CAME OUT UNDER FROM.....IF YOU HAD READ ALL OF THE FIRST POST YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND. IDIOT.
I haven't taken the time to read through this whole thread...So some of what I say may have been touched on already.
FIRST OF ALL YOU SHOULD READ IT ALL BEFORE RESPONDING.....
ING.....First, you say 10 minutes before total dark. That to me sounds like you are past legal shooting hours.
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG....WAS WITHIN 5 MINUTES OF LEGAL. YOU ARE STARTING OUT LOOKING LIKE A DIP, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE...
Second, if you couldn't see where the arrow hit on the deer then you took too far of a shot when you didn't have enough light.
HMMM...LET'S SEE, I SHOT, SHE RAN FAST.....
Third, 35 yards with a mech head, and you still wonder why you didn't get good penetration? When using mech heads haveing a precisionly tuned bow is even more important because the head takes up so much energy on impact so it can open. Any little porpoising of the arrow will increase that energy take up by the broadhead exponentially.
YOU THINK I JUST PICKED THIS BOW UP OF A WAL-MART SHELF? NO FURTHER RESPONSE TO THAT IGNORANT COMMENT.
Fourth, dude, your a rook bowhunter taking a 35 yard shot? Heck most pro's don't take shots over 30 yards at whitetails...and that's why they're pros. They know deer better. What is it, sound travels at 700 some odd feet per second. If your arrow is traveling 280fps, that means that deer that is 105 feet away, can hear the sound of your bow after .15 seconds, when it takes your arrow .375 seconds to reach the deer...and that doesn't even account for arrow speed loss due to drag. That deer has .225 seconds to react to the sound which in this time of the hunting season it will react without question. Gravity affects objects at 9.8 meters per second. That a rough equivalent to 32.144 feet per second. Divide that by ten and you get 3.21ft for every tenth of a second. So that deer had the opportunity to drop 6.42 feet from the time it hears your bow til the time the arrow makes it to the deer. I feel I was being pretty generous with the arrow speed as well.
HOW DARE YOU CLASSIFY ME PERIOD. I ONLY REPORTED THAT THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST BOW KILL. JUST HOW LONG HAVE I BEEN BOW HUNTING GENIUS? AS TO YOUR ARROW SPEED B.S. YOU TAKE ALL THAT INFO. AND SHOVE IT...........
I'm gonna have to say that the deer dropped and spun back away from it's traveling direction. Yet, you found blood halfway up your arrow which is more than enough penetration to nail both lungs. Since you failed to find the deer chances are you gut shot it and it had a nice long painful death...
GUT SHOT??? LOL.......YOU NEED TO CRAWL BACK UNDER THAT ROCK YOU CAME OUT UNDER FROM.....IF YOU HAD READ ALL OF THE FIRST POST YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND. IDIOT.