Prove that the majority of crossbow hunters are slobs. I eagerly await your reply.

Arthur P, When I started bowhunting you wouldn't have wanted me in the woods either. Didn't know who Fred Bear was and didn't really care either. Practiced just for a couple weeks got certified and started hunting. I was one of those slob gun hunters that took advantage of how easy it was to shoot a compound.That was 15 years ago now it's a big part of who I am.

I haven't been online since my last post. A little impatient aren't we? Apparently you haven't read my posts after all since I listed numerous reasons why they shouldn't be allowed IN ARCHERY SEASONS WITHOUT RESTRICTIONS. People buying one and going out to hunt with them because they think they have gun-like capabilities is one--remember the father I told you about whose son was killed because he had never even held one before??? HE thought no practice was necessary--just like some friends of mine who now hunt with them and never practice. They DID practice when using a bow.

BM--I wasn't the first to call them crossrifles. Rack-attack called them that in the beginning of this thread and I liked the name. Lots of bowhunters call them crossguns. As for your inability to figure out how he shot himself--he was starting to climb down from the treestand and reached up to carry the loaded crossRIFLE down--another mistake--and he accidently shot himself in the chest. I don't see how that could happen with a real bow. Might happen with a GUN or a RIFLE which is why they should be included in those seasons---not archery.

I heard a guy did that last week with a rifle ... ban all rifles from general gun season accoridng to your logic, right ? I mean, its always the WEAPON thats at fault, never the idiots using them. If the kid had been using a compound, you'd be calling for banning compounds too, right ? Again, following YOUR logic on what makes a weapon legitimate for a given season, not mine.

Do I need to drag up the photo of the guy who had part of his skull removed when shot in the back of the head with a compound ? Ban compounds - right ?

Z- If you're so dead set on getting crossbows into bow season, then why don't you and others of like mind expend your energies toward setting up a crossbow season instead of horning in where crossbows are not welcome by the vast majority?

Crossbow people are constantly pointing fingers at people that oppose them and accuse them of being divisive, when there would be no division at all if they weren't trying to force themselves on everyone else. If someone you don't know comes into your home and tells you they are moving in, whether you like it or not, would you be buddy-buddy with them or would you be kicking some serious butt?

Now, in states where bow season is several months long, then I think those places should set aside a month of that season for crossbow shooters. In places where there is only a month or less of bow season, them crossbow yayhoos can pound sand. They can do like the rest of us bowhunters that hunt with our bows in general season.

Arthur, are you serious guy? How are crossbow hunters forcing themselves on you? No where in my regulation book does it list a "Arthur P. Archery Season", so that probably means you don't own it. I couldn't care less if you shoot a compound,a recurve, a blowgun, or a slingshot, so why are you so concerned about what everyone else uses? When you start buying my license and paying for my lease and other hunting expenses, then you can tell me what is right or wrong to hunt with. As for the people that say crossbow hunters never practice and go into the woods unprepared..............whatever! I don't remember seeing any of you every summer when my friends and I are practicing, so that remark is uncalled for and can be said about any hunting weapon for that matter. I know of people that only shoot there rifles every few years but I don't get on here and say that all rifle users are lazy and unprepared. This should be a place where people can share hunting stories and information and not have to constantly defend themselves because this other hunter wants a little praise or a medal for how good he/she is or how bad they can make someone else look!

They ARE legal in my state. Not welcome ? Ahhh, theres the problem and the crux of this ... you and others like you hate crossbows in general archery season, but you can GIVE ME A VALID REASON. Why is that ?

Uh, you mean like compounds forced themselves in the beginning ? You mean like >65% compounds have finally forced P&Y to change their standards ? You mean like how release aids, mechanical heads etc etc have "forced" themselves into archery season ?


And a month for compound season, right ? I mean, compounders forced their way into archery season and now dominate it. Heck, most of 'em are slobs and don't practice anyway (I can prove that with the same reasons you prove crossbow hunters are slobs)

No, you mean liek the rest of COMPOUND shooters who are too lazy to dedicate themselves to learning real archery by shooting with no sights, no release, limited ranges and ZERO letoff ?

See how easy it is to bash a group of archers ? Everything I said is absolutely, 100% true, isn't it, when compared to recurves/longbows and using YOUR logic ?

Mr. Zelazny, you've got to admit that if a man doesn't use sights or a rest on his bow, everyone will doubt his masculinity and rightfully so.

A naked bow is pretty much an invitation for trouble. It just looks sorta wispy.

"Natural" archery is...well, unnatural.

VC - Do you see the point I am making ?

#1 - Theres absolutely NO WAY to say that one group of archers, by their choice of equipment only, are better, worse or whatever as opposed to others.

#2 - More archers is a good thing until it threatens archery season itsself - which to date and my knowledge crossbows have not.

#3 - They are just as much a bow as compound, recurves and longbows. They are MORE like compounds, in almost every aspect when compared to longbows and recurves.

#4 - Theres no truth in crossbows are more dangerous thus put them in another season. None.

#5 .... do ya'll want me to continue ? Look, Arkansas has had em for 20 years, no big deal, never has been really to my knowledge except when elitist people make it an issue.

Z-you really gotta start reading my posts. I never said to ban them completely. I said to put them where they belong . . . with the guns!

I went over this and what I just said in my last post. Explain to me exactly how someone can fatally shoot themselves with a compound bow unless they were really trying to do so??? We both know that you can't do it with a compound bow, but I explained how it was done by accident with an xbow in my last post--but you probably didn't read it.

This doesn't apply and you know it. As I just stated, I'm not suggesting an all-out ban. Just put x bows in with the gunners and see how many people would continue to use them. The fatality example I have been referring to is to illustrate how this father gave the x bow to his son and expected him to shoot a deer with it even though he had never handled one in his life. And far too many hunters who don't bowhunt, think that they can extend their seasons by just buying one and taking it hunting--like this guy did. We don't need that type swelling our ranks.