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[:@] alright guys, i need to vent a little. I am a veterinarian IL. I am also an avid bow hunter. BUT, i am getting sick and tired of getting called in the middle of the night to work on somebodys dog that has been shot by a deer hunter. Fortunately, 2 of them have recovered, but we lost a cconhound last week after about 3 hrs of reconstructive surgery. Yeah, I would be pissed if a dog came thru running deer where i hunted too, but why kill somebodys pet or hunting dog?!?! what gives you the right?? just because you might have paid big bicks to hunt doesnt mean you own the place. The CPO came into the clinic last week with a beagle that he found laying dead next to the deer hanging in camp, like it was on display. not only is killing someones dog wrong, but it makes us all look like a bunch of idiots and gives the antis more fuel. i know the people doing this are just a handful of bad eggs, but it is happeneing too often. all right, i feel better now. any comments??

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I agree. I hunt deer, and dogs runthrough sometimes. I get over it. This is a time when more dogs are out in the woods, too because of hunting season. Don't shoot someone's dog, guys. You'll make every hunter look like an indiot.

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Sure I have some comments but it's 11pm at night, I'm tired, I've made this arguement 100 times before, and it's not going to do any good. So it's hard to get me to spend the next 30 mins. of my life replying.

I'll give a short reply.... Yes I get ticked too, and more ticked when the dog shows up time after time with all his buddies and comes by chasing deer. What gives me the right? I have the right because it's private property and someone does not give a $@#& about their dog because if they did, they'd keep it at their house. Oh and yes I do OWN the place. Being a vet, it shouldn't be hard for you to imagine what the effects of one, two, or a pack of healthy dogs chasing deer can have on a deer herd. I have researched this extensivly and according to many DNR and college studies domestic dogs are one (if not the biggest) determinant to the health of the deer herd in many many places. There is absolutly nothing harmless about a dog running thru the woods looking for deer to chase. The thing you don't see in your clinic is all the wounded deer and dead fawns that those dogs ran down.

I have a dog and I love her to death. I have no doubt that if I let her run free she would get in my neighbors trash, chase their cows and troll the woods looking for deer to chase. Therefore I have an underground radio shock fence to keep her on MY property where she belongs. I figure if people really loved their dogs and respected MY property they would do the same.

Sorry for my adittude but I've been down this road on this board many times in the past. Some people get very passionate about the fact that no domestic dog should be shot. In my humble opinion those people are not rational, logical, nor do they care about the health of the entire deer herd.

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So you Shoot little billys dog Tex...what have you gained?Dogs get out, dogs break thier chains, The baby accidently opened the door and boomer got out...thats your excuse for shooting a pet?

Dont shoot somebodys pet! Come on man! Screw the God#@##m deer.

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Rico, first off, I am not talking about shooting a dog that just happens to be 50 yrds across a property line. I'm talking about a dog that is a mile from the nearest house. I'm also not talking about shooting a dog the first time I see it is not chasing a deer. I am talking about repeat offenders, over and over. The owners don't care what what the dogs do all day, who they terrorize, or what other animals the dogs chase down and kill. It's amazing to me how someone can claim the "love their dog" so much but not love it enough to keep it at home. Do they let their kids run free day and night and go anywhere they please, I would hope not. So why let their dogs do that? In all honesty the dogs get into a whole lot more trouble than the kids would.lol

Rico, I'm sorry, I'm a hunter. I enjoy wildlife and the deer and I will NOT stand by and let Rover run down, kill, maime, wound, run off, and harm the health of an ENTIRE deer herd. Again, if you don't believe this is a serious problem do some research on the web. I've done tons of it and the facts are scary. Again, 99.9% of the dogs we are talking about here aren't a case of Fido getting lose one time, these are cases of the owners just not caring enough to keep their dogs on their property. Plain and simple.

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alright Tex, dogs are animals too, just like coyotes chasing is a natural instinct. I'm not gonna shoot your dog if he chases a deer past me and other people expect the same. If it's that big of a deal to you, maybe you should check your priorities.

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Yep. Control your animals. I have two dogs. One is 8 years old, the other is 5. They have NEVER escaped or left my property in their entire lives expect when accompanied by one of our three kids or my wife and I. It is not that hard to make a yard or an enclosure excape proof, but number 1 is to not give the dog a reason to want to leave.

Loose dogs are an epidemic in my area. They have mortally wounded other pets, destroyed livestock, got into well stored trash, and harassed the kids at the bus stop. I hunt less than 200 yards from our neighborhood to give you an idea how rural this is. Most of those dogs have been destroyed over the years and the message got out about controlling your pets.

My son is 7. He understands the grave consequences of our dogs getting loose. He watched my neighbor's prize dog get smashed by a car a couple months ago BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR REFUSED TO CONTROL THE ANIMAL. I had a long talk with him about what happens when dogs get loose and trespass. He understands that a loose dog that gets killed is not the end of the world and if he wants his dogs to live he WILL control them.

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A well trained and cared for dog will not chase. My two dogs are Australian shepherds and chasing is their job. However, they do not, and will not chase until given the command to get to work.

Dogs that chase are a nuisance and a danger. Have a 100 lb dog chase your kid on his bike and nock him down. See how understanding you are then.

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My only question is what is the best broadhead to use. Expandable or Fixed Blade? Quartering away or Quartering to?

Anybody know the anatomy of a dog? dogdr.....you know, huh.

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IMHO if owners cared for their dogs they would not be roaming free. I live in Mississippi were hunting with dogs is legal during deer season. I've caught guys parked on the road running dogs on our property waiting for the dogs to run the deer to them so they can shoot them on the road! We also have wild dogs packed up terrorizing everything in their path, I have even been chased up a tree before. These dogs are more dangerous than a pack a coyotes because they are not afraid of humans! What happens if nothing is done about it, I tell you what will happen people will get hurt or killed! If you don't be believe me read this article!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/Central/1....ap/index.html

The woman killed was going out to her barn to feed her horses. These dogs have been terrorizing this rural area for months and the animal control and the owner would not do anything about it. I have a couple of labs and you can bet during hunting season they are up all the time. I have no sympathy for a owner whos dog is running free terroizing the deer and people. The problem lies with the owner not the dog!!!! I hope the owner of these dogs that killed the woman in Denver gets the book thrown at her and spends many years in jail.

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I have a blue tick and a walker that TRACK deer but do not chase deer. I care for these dogs so I keep them on a lease when tracking an injured/wounded deer. I have no respect for deer dogs nor their owners if the dogs are running illegal on private land!

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I agree that all precautions should be taken not to shoot a dog, and in no circumstances is OK to do so. That being said:

Hey everyone I know complains about their job, me included. Calling you in the middle of the night may be the only option a person may have to save their dog at that point. But if you hate it all that much then maybe its time to change jobs. Its always an option. Geez, I hope my Doctor doesn't feel the same way if I have a heart attack in an inconvenient time.

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Tx, I agree with you. I'm overrun with neigbors dogs running deer. When I see the dogs in my woods I go to the owner if I can find them and tell them, I might even do it twice. Most of the time that takes care of the problem. After that, I assume they don't care about their dogs.

Your dog has no right on my property. Your precious little pet is a natural killer and tormentor of wildlife. I'll bend over backwards to help you keep your pet alive if you care. But, if your not willing to put a little effort to keep your dog up, I'll help you out.

I don't own a dog because I like to view wildlife in my yard. I would love to have a dog but I sacrifice that so I can have accessibility to the wildlife and I don't want your dog in my yard either.

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Lets shoot tresspassers and hunters as they are very detremental to the health of the heard. While we are at it lets shoot farmers who have unplanted land and then we can just kill everyone for eating the corn that could have been left for the deer. Then lets kill all teh other animals that are eating the deers food or moving in on their territory. ANd then we can kill all the neighboring deer that are feeding off your herds food too. MAn this could get time consuming and expensive, but the overall health of the heard is at stake.

I can feel your pain to an extent Cowboy but I would gladly go all year without a dear if it meant not killing a persons pet. Some people cannot afford a radio collar.

But it is a free country and I wont fault you for doing it. I am not and have never been in your situation but it just seems a bit ruthless to me.

Just out of curiosity, What makes the deer more important than the dog. THey are both following their natural instincts? Why is the deer an elevated species?

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Wow!! I'm a little shocked at the replies. Come on guys. A domestic animal. It's not the dogs fault. Go after the owners or call some authorities. Dont' shoot the dogs. What about the kids back home when rover isn't coming back cause someone killed him cause they wanted a deer so bad. Fortunately I don't have this problem, but man I would never shoot a pet. JMO

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i'd shoot someones dog if its not chasing deer, it shouldnt be out of its area in the first place, i completely agree with takeing responsibility and controlling your dog, i wont shoot it the first time, i'll have the owner contacted but after the first time and if it happens a second something has to be done, i've been chased by stupid dogs just riding my bike, but you better bet that i've got something flying that them whether its a limb or whatever, there is a time,certain thing, and place to be chasing stuff, not me,deer, or any other animals/people, its sad to find rover dead next to the road or in the woods, but keep the &$^( thing locked or pinned up and it wouldnt happen

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Shoot the dog............................................... .

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Hypocracy!!!

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lets see if i can reply to everybody. Tex, I agree that if wild dogs are running they will chase deer and I have no problem with killling them. And if you are on your own property then it is a littl different story. the cases i am talking about are out of state hunters hunting on land leased by an outfitter. I have done the same to dogs chasing my cattle - but only after the third or fourth time, and only after i made every attempt to find the owners of the dog ( if it had one). Plus, I used a gun and made sure I killed them with one shot. As for dogs having that big of an effect on the deer population, I will have to look on the web because i am not sure I believe that- if domesticated dogs hurt them that much, why are there any deer left considering the coyote population that we have?? i guarantee they are better hunters than domesticated dogs. Yes, people should keep their dogs under control- my dog never leaves the yard, even when im not outside with him- but the ones i have seen are a beagle and 3 coondogs. all were by themselves when they were shot. i'd say the coondogs were tracking, not chasing. and if you are gonna tell me a beagle can keep up with a deer, much less run one down, your crazy.
As for being tired of getting called in the night, its not about getting called in- i accepted that part of the job a long time ago. its about getting called in for something that shouldnt happen in the first place. Again, your right that people should keep their dogs under control, but like somebody said, things happen. if dogs are harassing kids or other people it is a different story as well. but that is not whats going on here. i just think we should ask questions first and shoot later.

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Id say obey the law . In most states its against the law to shoot a dog with a colar on , but if its a lose dog with no colar running in a pack well use your own descrion . If Im on my lease and there is a pack of dogs thretning me , growling and sutch , I dont care if they have colars or not , some will not leave . The lease owner says kill all dogs , but Im not going to kill a dog with a colar on thats not thretning me . I have 3 dogs and love them very mutch , too mutch to let them run lose . Someone who lets their dog run lose , or on other pepoles property , does not care mutch for them .

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I'd try to contact the owner. but as far as wild dogs. I've killed some when I was a teen. I'd do it again. There are a few dogs that run thru my neighborhood and I have hunted the woods behind my house. I wouldn't shoot one of these dogs because it just comes with the whole package of urban hunting for me.

my 2 cents.

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In my area, there used to be a known group of wild dogs. We shot at them every chance we got!! DOC knew they were around and didn't do a whole lot about them, which in my opinion is wrong. In Illinois it is against the law for a dog to chase wildlife.

So if a dog were to continually run deer on the property where I hunt, he would end up missing after a while.

I actually just warned a guy that lives within a quarter mile from where I hunt that his dog was chasing deer and that he might end up getting shot. He didn't even act like he cared.

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Anyone that tries to macho-justify killing a domestic dog that is running through the fields, private property or public property, for no reason other than the dog is (maybe) chasing a deer, is a jerk of the first kind and causes bad publicity for all hunters. [:@]

If a person cannot tell the difference between dogs that have went wild and dogs that are "packing" for killing, from a domestic dog on the loose just enjoying him or herself, that person is not a true hunter and should be banned from hunting.

Private property does not give anyone the right to kill a dog that is not attacking domestic stock or people. In fact, in many states there are laws that prohibit killing a domestic animal without the utmost justification. Doing so can land your butt in the lockup, and you can pay a hefty fine and spend some time in a small room..and he or she should.

PS: Apparently, Texas law prohibits such outright and unjustified killing of domestic animals, and carries some heavy penalties.

http://www.animallaw.info/articles/d...y.htm#scienter

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It's not that I don't agree with you, it's just that hearing you call someone else a jerk is so ironic;)

That being said I have dogs come in on me a few different times this year. One afternoon they actually spent more than and hour within 100 yards of my stand. However, if I am going to punish someone I would just go hit the owner in the mouth. It just isn't that big of a deal. I have from Oct. - Feb. to bowhunt and there will be a lot of other days. I don't like it, it pisses me off, but it's not the dogs fault. On the other hand, if the property belonged to me and the dogs were repeatedly running deer, I would kill them.

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please see this thread

http://forum.hunting.net/asppg/tm.as...&anchor#426427

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This is a wonderful post & I love this one each and every time it comes around.
For dos owners, Control your pets! A dog that dosn't repeatedly wander onto MY property while chaseing deer has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to worry about.

I love dogs although I don't own one. I had a problem with a neighbors dog this season. Offense one, I had a discussion with the owner who assured me the problem would end. Second offense I called the animal control officer. Because he dragged his feet getting to my property the dog was gone and he said he couldn't do anything. He was nice enough to go to the owner with me and we were assured that the dog wouldn't return. I made my intension known at that point if that mut returned to my property it would not return to the owners. This stired up both the owner and animal control but I think the owner got the point as the dog hasn't returned.

I have very little time to hunt and spend quite a bit of money to have some lazy slob who dosn't care to control his pet ruin my time out on MY PROPERTY!
Bottom line TAKE CARE OF YOUR DOG BECAUSE IF IT BECOMES AN ISSUE I WILL![:@]

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When I read threads like this I stop wondering why hunters

A: Have a bad reputation

B: Have a difficult time getting permission to hunt private land

Any person shooting someonespet for any reason other then a direct attack on them is a true hunters worst enemy.

Keep up the good work morons, PETA loves the ammo you provide.

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I was going to keep quiet about this, but, I have heard enough.............


I think what is being said and the intent being made is the action against repeat offenders, for lack of a better term.

I had this situation come up just a few weeks ago before rifle season, while I was bowhunting in the stand. I had a pair of rat terriors, one male, one female, come by my stand, obviously they had been abandoned by the road by the looks of them. They had mange (sp?) really bad, but for the most part, were just trying to get by with what they had. They were not chasing deer or any other animals, just scrounging for something to eat. They had even walked up to the truck while my father and I were eating lunch one day. I let them pass with a smile and no worries, and have seen them several times since.

A week later, I had three larger dogs, that I have heard from the neighbors had been running deer, come by my stand. They all were half breeds and no collars. I had heard them barking from a distance, but they just appeared out of the timber in front of me with no sound. The stoutest dog, but not the largest, picked up on my drag-line trail of scent that I had left. Instantly he started growling and drooling at the mouth, followed the trail in front of my stand, and caught sight of me. The hair raised up on its back, and it started to chomp its jaws and slowly walk toward me. I was in my stand, out of danger, but got to thinking. Just a few days before that, my wife had been hunting with me, sitting in a camo chair directly beneath my stand as she sometimes does. What kind of danger would she have been in? This upset me enough to set an arrow flying at the dog infront of me. If I wasn't such a poor shot with a bow that day, I would NOT have felt at all bad about skewering his butt! The other two dogs ran off at the sight of me drawing my bow, and the third followed after I had planted one right between its front legs.

Later that week......I saw all three dogs laying in front of a farm house 2 miles away, none with collars or leashes.

Did that make me feel macho?? I wasn't doing it to feel macho. I even may have saved some young kid from a frightening experience in the timber, who knows?? Was it the dogs fault?? You bet it is! Along with the owners lack of responsibility! These dogs had run into other folks in the woods before, by the way the other two dogs took off from the sight of me in the stand. It will be the final lesson learned if they show up again. I have killed dogs that were running livestock of mine (exotics--Texas dall sheep, Mouflans, ect.) into, and through barb wire fences, after repeated attempts to have the owners keep tabs on them. After about the 3rd ram that has to be put down due to dogs running them through a fence and injuring them, you get short tempered about the situation.

I love dogs just as much or more than the next guy, and have two of them myself. But, like what was said earlier, they are mindful, taken care off, and have never been neglected to where they run off OR had the chance to run off. I have spent at least 8 to 10 thousand on one dog alone in the past 10 years, just to keep it alive from the condition in which my wife had found it. Burned, two broken legs, infection in the ears that cannot be removed, even after splitting the ears open and scraping them out like peeling a banana, infections in the eye common to the dogs breed, and by the way, the loss of one eye due to a veterinarians' mis-diagnosis and "ho hum" attitude towards the situation. It took a specialist in Kansas City to save the other eye.

Now, that being said..........

I, in no way, are intending to make it sound like all vets are like the one we had delt with.

But, on the same note, not all hunters shoot dogs to feel macho either. It should depend on the situation, like it has for me, and anyone else. You, as a vet, should realize this.

"Poor little Johnny's" dog would be alive today if the parents had taken the incentive to have Johnny take care of his dog.

The intended shooting of a dog is just the end result, not the cause........

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To me this is not about a nice little pet running around in the woods it is about dogs chasing deer. I would not kill a dog for just being in the woods or being around my stand it happens all the time at one of my stands but I know they will be there and I still have taken several deer there. To me this is about dogs chasing deer how many of you have actually saw this happen I have I have saw deer ran to death yes they are fast abut a dog can run them into the ground. And it does happen and most of the time they dont eat them they are just having fun well if you own a dog keep it up if you ahve a farn or large amounts of land but keep your aniaml under control .
If I see a deer chasing a hugh buck the dog is dead if I can hit it.

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I'm busy at the office right now but here are the very first 2 links that came up when I did a search on this topic. I have spent hours researching this and talking about this with the cheif biologist for the Texas Parks and Wildlife Dept. for my area. At one point I had a ton of links, website, and studies on this but I must have deleted all the links? It doesn't take very much effort (or common sense) to see how big on an issue this really is.


Let me also make one more comment that I seemed to have over looked last night. This topic was started about shooting dogs with bows....I didn't really think about that when I made my first post. I will be the first to admit that in 99.9% of all situations I would not shoot a dog with a bow for a few different reasons. The bow and arrow are a lethal combo but due to the small size of the vitals and the fact that the dog would not be killed instantly, I would most likely never shoot a dog with my bow.

Here are a couple links to look at. Trust me the DNR of most states is not impressed or amused by domestic dogs chasing wildlife and I can assure you they do not take it as lightly as many hunters on this board.

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I have already had dogs run deer by me three times this year and I am getting a little agrivated with it. The area i have been hunting has alot of buck sign and I have seen 3 bucks in the area , but I am afraid to hunt there because 3 out of 5 times I have sat there the dogs have chased deer by me. The president of our club has told me to shoot the dogs , but I am kinda divided by the issue considering I have a dog myself. The dogs are not chained up and all of them have collars on their necks and I know where they live. If I did shoot them I would rather do it with a rifle instead of a bow. The fact of the quick death with a gun or 15$ dollar's in a broadhead and carbon arrow!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Now it's a matter of money?? wow!!

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I have mixed feelings here.

1st. The dog has a built instinct to hunt! This should not be held against a dog. The owners of the dogs should be held responsible. They own the pet, it is their possession, and they should take responsability for it. Upon getting a pet, you have taken it upon yourself to care for the pet, feed it, water it, bath it, and protect it. Protecting the dog means keeping it on your property, away from the woods, where it shouldn't be. Sure, things happen, a dog accidently escapes and runs away, but, dogs that are repeatadly seen running deer, that is a different story.

2nd, I have seen what can happen with dogs that run free. Several years ago, there was a pack of wild dogs that were breeding with coyote's and these dogs were vicious. One night, I was woken up by the sound of my outside dog (who is always on a chain and NEVER gets free) being harrassed by a pack of these dogs. They were circling my dog, so, guess what my dad and I did, we shot as many of them as we could. A few months later, my neighbors called my dad because there 6 year olds daughter's rabbits were being attacked by this group of dogs. The rabbits were in a rabbit box which was inside a mesh fence area. Imagine seeing a 6 year old girl watching her pet rabbits being mauled by wild dogs. So, I can see taking care of a problem dog before the problem escalades.

Like I mentioned above, I am a pet owner, I have two dogs, a 16 year old Collie/Shepard mix, a 5 year old Boxer/Rotweiller mix, a cat, and tons of pet fish. I love animals, especially dogs. The thought of killing of a dog just disgusts me, but, seeing a dog become a problem that can hurt other wild animals, peoples pets, and humans.

I say that if their is a dog, that is a serious problem, one that can and/or will hurt humans and other animals, then, GET RID OF THE PROBLEM. I do not think that it is right for someone to see a dog that escaped for the first time ever, is chasing tweety birds on someone elses property, and just shoot it.

Try standing back, don't take sides of the dogs or the animals. Just look at the whole picture, and you will see that this isn't a cut dry thing, there are certain circumstances that have to be looked at in order to solve the problem.

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Tx, I appreciate the information.
Folks, I don't think anyone is talking about shooting anyone else's pet because he's roaming in the woods. One of my neighbors have small dogs that get out sometimes and the deer chase them more than vice a versa, kind of hilarious to watch.
I have been attacked by dogs without collars in the woods. they picked a bad time to do it. My friend was attacked by some coyote/dog crossbreeds and he spent two weeks in the hospital and tore his bow up fighting them off.
In my opionion, if your former pet has taken up with coyotes, I'll shoot him with a gun. If several of your pets are running together, I'll come to you first and after reading Tx's comments, I'll probably go to the wildlife boys next and if that doesn't work, theres' not much left to do but eliminate them.

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dont chinese people eat dogs

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This seems to be a pretty hot topic! Understandably so...one the one hand you've got man's best friend and the other you have one of the best ways to spend your time (let alone the Billions of $$$ that are spent every year).

With that being said, here are my 2 cents: I am a dog lover since birth and have my own that is like my family. IMO, it is the dog owner's RESPONSIBILITY (a very key word that many people tend to forget) to keep the dog from running wild.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone seen the report out of CO. about a pack of dogs (yes they were Pit Bulls) that killed a 40 year old woman who was going out to tend her horses (interesting post the other day on horse hunters hating bow hunters...wonder how they feel about dog owners?!?! [:o]) Anyway, the owner of the dogs are now facing charges from a misdameanor to homicide.

Dog Owners: It is our RESPONSIBILITY to protect our best friends!!!!

Ok..that was more like 4 cents worth!:D

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if someone shot my beagle, they better hope i never find them, they might be pulling an arrow out of their own a$$ [:@]

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Rockytop, my thoughts exactly.

I think what people here need to understand is that I, nor most folks, are saying we are going to shoot every dog we see in the woods. It's not like that. Nor have I ever said that I won't try to locat the owners of the dog first. I don't think that is a requirement but it is a nice thing to do. I'm also not talking about Fluffy the puppy that got lose and is on a leisurly jog thru the woods. I'm talking about big dogs, chasing deer, repeat offenders and them doing it for hours a day every day. To those of you who value one dog over the health of an entire herd of animals......I don't know what to say. That is ridiculous. No one, especially me, has ever said we would delight in killing someone's pet. The fact is, like I've said, if the pet owner really cared about their dog they would make sure it stayed on their property.

B&C Wanna B says:
B&C, I'm sorry and no offense but I don't buy that for a second. I paid $69 for the underground radio fence at K-Mart and I spend many back breaking hours burying the tiny wire and making sure it worked properly. Sure it wasn't easy, that's one of the prices of being a responsible pet owner. I care enough about my neighbor's to keep my dog in my yard. If a person can't afford $69 to keep their pet in their yard, then they can't afford to have a dog. Dog food costs close to $20 per bag.

Portable Ladder says:
Hmm, now there is the adittude of the type of pet owners we are dealing with. He doesn't care if his dog is on private property but if he gets on your land and you shoot him, he has no problem shooting YOU! Hmm, he'll threaten to shoot a person but not a dog? I cannot and will not attempt to debate people with that kind of rationale.

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Until they start charging the owners of the dogs with tresspassing for letting them run free on other peoples property shooting them is the only way to directly take care of the problem. I have a farm and it is a problem every year and the dog owners don't care.

I will let them go once and notify the owner but not twice. It makes me sick to set in a stand and listen to dogs run deer and then see the deer run by tired and lost.

I never see YOTES running deer so take that it is natural crap a shove it. The dogs are bored and unsuppervised.

And YES I have a Lab and know where he is 24/7 and he is always under my control. If he did run away and run deer I would shoot him myself!

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I think ya'll have been had by the "DogDr". I truly believe his is a bogus post. The guy has made two post in all his life on this board. He says he's a hunter etc etc.... but we've never seen him. I've never seen him anywhere else. He's either a fake or someone afraid to use his real handle/username. At any rate... the arguement has been round and round. In many states there are laws that determine what is right and wrong legally. Me, I see it as Little Billies dog and live with it. I also saw the other extreme when I lived in Georgia. We leased an 1800 acre chunk that had a small town dump on one corner of it. People were always dumping strays etc. They became quite wild. The local pig farmer came to us one day and ask for help with the dogs. They had hit his pig pen the night before and killed 40 small pigs. He was going to start poisoning and we started shooting. We shot 23 on the 1800 acres that year. The farmer got more than we did with his poison. That's an extreme situation, but that's what can happen if left unchecked. Control your dog. I won't shoot him but I'm not about to chastise the next guy for doing it if he's legal and owns the land. Since I don't I don't know who's dog is whos.