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I don't think I could ever. I've seen dogs while hunting. Never had one chase a deer away. I've even joked around about shooting them. Never could. It's not right. I don't care how many times the same dog "chases" your damn deer away. I have had guys walk in and chase off deer. Maybe I'll shoot the SOB next time right!!!!

Actually.....I'm pretty sure it's illegal to shoot a dog.

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I do not know if someone already stated this, because i do not have to much time on my hands, but i think this is a topic that needs to be stoped, we are creating a divide between ourselves. We have already covered this topic about a lab who was shot in the head by a bow hunter and surived, i don't know if you guys remember that (it wasn't that long ago). And all of us including me argued to my hands where tired of typing. Some think we should kill dogs in the woods, some do not. It is obivous we can not decided on a adequite answer so lets move on and instead of bitching and yelling at each, lets help each other become better hunters.

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hey guys, better use your real name for your logon ID or it automatically reveals you as a fake! oh yeah, and everybody who is new to the site, until you post a 100 messages or become a lifemember your "bogus". Sorry!

david, i dont post much because I spend my time hunting or with my family or at work. I just wanted to get other peoples opinions on something i have seen firsthand 1 too many times. I didnt know i was gonna open such a can of worms. check out my user profile, you can find out my name. judging by your post you and i are on the same side- we dont shoot dogs that arent harming anything or arent dangerous.

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I watched it just this morning. Two deer left the woods and started across the pasture next to me. Immediately, my neighbor's 2 dogs started barking and began a pursuit. Two more deer showed up on a trail that would've led them past me, but they were watching the dogs chase the other deer. When the dogs came back, the deer near me thought they were next and went back quickly the way they came. Those two dogs search my side woods every morning and chase every deer they can. It's a game for them. I've talked to the owners about it, but it continues. I won't shoot them, but I can only take so much.

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You'ld have to be one sick **** to kill somebodys dog. Just think of the pain you would be causing somebody. And think of the bad rapp you can give to hunters. Like the lab with the arrow through the head that was on the news.

But if it's a wild dog, go right ahead, heck I would kill a wild dog no problem but I own hunting dogs and if somebody were to kill one of my dogs, I would hurt them really badly. Most people here in Hawaii hunt with dogs for pigs and if someone were to kill one of there dogs, alot of people would kill that person in return. So watch out if you kill a dog, your gonna cause some humbug thaughts. Many people view there pet dogs similar to how you view your own children. Just think about that. That is how strong the bond between dog and owner can be.

So watch out. Shooting a pet dog is not a smart thing to do. You will only be causing trouble. The same goes with shooting pet cats.

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DaveH, I would say report these dogs to the DOC. Like I said earlier, it is illegal in Illinois for dogs to chase/harrass wildlife. So I would imagine it might be illegal in many other states. Video tape and take it in if they need proof.

Like many have said, I wouldn't do it for an occasional dog walking through the woods. But if it continually chases deer and the owner has been warned, well than it is either the DOC or me to take care of the problem. And as hard as it is to get a DOC officer to respond to our calls around here, it will more than likely be in my hands. I have never had to do and I don't plan on doing it any time soon, but if it happens...it happens.

Like I said in my earlier post, I have warned the neighbor about his dog. But that warning was basically right before slug season and slug season brings out some of the best killers in the woods....not necissarily hunters.

dogdr, I will beat david to this one. When you have been around here as long as him or I, you will understand where he is coming from. There is always somebody coming in here, stirring the pot and then leave and never be heard from again. If you are for real, please stay and enjoy the sight and don't hold any grudges over on people from this topic. If you do, you might loose out on a chance to know some great people.

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Some of these must be the same people that let their kids run the streets with no parenting at all then. Come and go as they please and don't care if they show up for days then.

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I understand what both sides of this arguement are saying. But, I would say that it is the owners fault if the dog is running all over PRIVATE land and not being controlled. Happens once-maybe twice- let it go. Tell the owner if you know him. Third time on my land BOOM! dead dog. The owner needs to control their dog and be responsable enough to keep track of that animal. If the dog is just wandering down the road, leave it alone. If it is killing or chasing animals - and you have seen this - it needs to be shot because it won't stop a habit once it has started and hasn't been disciplined-it doesn't know what it is doing is wrong. On public land, call the DNR and let them take care of it.

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OK, here I go again, getting into spomething that I probably shouldnt. But first let me tell you a little background first. When I was about 8, ( I am 36 now) I was attacked by a German Sheperd. I was standing on my friends steps outside his house petting the dog while they were in eating lunch. Well, the dog must have decided that he was hungry too so he jumped up and put his front legs around my head and put my whole head into his mouth, his top fangs were in my temple area and his bottom ones were on the other side of my face sticking thru my cheek and into my tonge, I was looking right down into his belly. He pushed me over the railing on the steps and never let go. He landed on top of me and started shaking my head around like a rag doll. The doctor told my mom that if his top fang was 1/8" over to 1 side, I would have died. So needless to say I am not real fond of some dogs. And to top that off, My wife is a vet tech, and if I did ever shoot a dog for any reason, I had better not come home.
Now, about 10 years ago, I was gun hunting with some friends of mine and we lost our hunting grounds so a friend of one of the guys that I was hunting with said we could hunt with him. Long story short shortly after I found a place to sit, this stray dog comes up and lays right by me , the whole time that I was there. He even walked out with me. When I came out of the woods, I had to cross this big grassy field. This guy that was a friend of my buddies starts screaming at me to shoot this dog. I told him no, he was doing nothig to bother me. Well, when I get up to him, he pulls out his hand gun and shoots the dog standing right next to me. He is lucky that I didnt put a slug into his ass! I left and told him that I would never hunt with him again.
Now, fast forward to this year, I am out bow hunting and 3 dogs from the guy next door come over and starts hanging around by my stand. One of them was a pitbull, one was a german shepard, and the other was a mut. They didnt stick around too long, but if they would have still been there when it was time for me to get down I would have had NO problem sticking them with an arrow, either one of them. Oh well, just thought that I would share my story. Sorry it got so long.

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i got no problem shooting a dog if it's on my property screwing up my habitat. how about i make sure i put a good shot on the dog and kill it, rather than wounding it? that would make the job of being a vet. easier right? also, it is your job to get called in the middle of the night. you paid the money for the degree and knew, beforehand, that middle of the night calls are normal for a vet. get over it buddy...people shooting dogs, cats, running over animals, whatever it might be.... is what keeps a roof over your head.

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I can understand that a vet should get annoyed getting called out in the late pm to fix a wounded dog. It can't be compared to you calling the docter late if you are sick. If the MD is called late to deal with an accidental car wreck, that is his job and responsibility. If he has to repair some dipsh** who got drunk and rolled his car, he has a right to get annoyed. It's all a matter of responsibility.
As for a repeat offending dog, take care of the problem. After warning the owner take care of the dog. If he doesn't go quietly.....boom!

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No one or any thing has the right to chase deer on private property. Unfortunately I do not own any. But If I did and had problem animals to deal with. I would end the problem as soon as given a shot er I mean chance.;) By the way I love dogs, especially the ones who are well trained and obediant.I hate going pheasant hunting and listening to owners screaming and cursing at their dogs, as if the dog has no training whatso ever.

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tx cowboy,

since you enjoy jumping to conclusions, i'll inform you on a few facts, first my beagle does not leave the yard, she is an indoor dog with a fully fenced in (6ft) privacy fence, now if she did somehow leave the yard and begin to chase deer, say for a week and a hunter repeadily saw my dog (with a collar and indentification tags) chasing deer - fine be a jerk and shoot it, if that makes you feel better, but if someone ever shoots my dog in my yard, or after only being loose for less than 24 hours, you better believe there will be retaliation.

portable ladder

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Davidmil & IL_BOW_MAN,

Here is an article from the Pike County Press. Please note the section I changed to bold text. And Steven Drone is the Pike County CPO. You can feel free to contact him throught the INDR Division of Law Enforcement should you have any questions about the incident.

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Pike County Press

Deer kill up despite weather

The deer kill was up in Pike County for the first shot-gun season of the year, despite Sunday being a miserable cold, rainy day.

"They were down a little on Sunday" said Brad Poulter, of the IDNR. "The weather was a big factor in that."

Poulter said an abundance of standing corn could have also kept the numbers lower than expected. "It give's them more refuge area," he said.

The ratio of bucks to does was 61% bucks and 39% does. "That's about normal for the first season," said Conservation officer Steve Drone. "The second season it reverses. People are not as selective."

IDNR offials say the hunt was routine, no injuries, no unforseen calamities.

Drone said the Department wrote 106 tickets district wide and issued 98 warnings in the same area. The district includes Pike, Adams, Brown, Schulyer, Green, Hancock, and Scott Counties.

"I've hardly ever issued a ticket for an uplugged gun," said Drone. "The first day I wrote seven. I found one whole family - father, mother, son - without plugs in their guns."

Drone said other violations include uncased guns, loaded guns in vehicles, permits not signed, deer not tagged and blaze orange violations.

"A hunter must wear a blaze orange hat and vest with 400 inches of blaze orange at all times," said Drone. Alot of hunters like to take it off once they get to a deer stand and that's not allowed. "It's a safety issue."

Drone said most of the warnings were for unsigned permits. "It's just basic stuff", he said. "You have to sign your permit, you have to tag your deer as soon as you get it, you have to have your permits with you while you are in the fiield."

Drone said a local veteranarian has received 5 dogs who were wounded since the deer season began.

"One case was particulary heinous," said Drone. "I went to an outfitter's lodge and there were all these deer hung up on display and stretched out on the ground beside it was a beagle. There it was displayed like it was some kind of trophy. Everbody knows you can't shoot a dog."

Drone said the hunter, from PA, would be ticketed and so would the outfitter.

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Shooting someone's pet dog. My God, what have we become. There are truly some sick people in this world. And they call themselves hunters, now that scares me.[&o]

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i coon hunt hear in tennessee,and when it comes to deer season i never leave my dogs out in the woods.it is a big mistake ,i have had two dogs get killed by deer hunters.i have tracking collers on my coon hounds,one of my dogs got shot and we tracked the coller and we tracked the dog and it was bad ......one of my best coon hounds had got shot 3 times in the stomach dead as a rock.i found out who did it and it got nasty.


go deep hunt hard.;)

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i had one dog stayed treed all night long into the morning,and when we was tracking i heard a shot........ i rushed a mile into the woods to see what happened,and my dog was dead wright next to the tree that my dog was treeing on,i looked up and there was 3 coons in the tree.makes me sick to see somebody shoot a dog.i can understand a famer shooting my hound if it was chasing his cattle or something but a deer hunter just shooting it .sad sad sad


go deep hunt hard.;)

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In Maryland, if you are caught and convicted, it is a felony (unless you are a gamewarden). Do you want to say good bye to your right to own firearms for the rest of your life?

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No Name says: In most states, and if I look I can find links again to prove it, if you see dogs chasing deer and call the DNR, they will come out and shoot the dogs themselves if they see it. Their job is to protect the wildlife and from what I've read in DNR articles, they have no qualms about killing a deer chasing dog, even if it's a pet. I guess you should be scared of what the DNR has become also then.

No one said anyone LIKED shooting dogs. I dread the thought of it. I also dread the thought of what it does to the deer. I think the life of many deer is more valuable than one dog who's owners don't really care about him.

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I should have just kept my trap shut!!

But as I said earlier....I have never done it and don't plan on doing it any time soon.

But here lies my problem. Say I watch a dog continually run deer and the owner has been warned, something has to be done. I will first call the Dept. of Nat. Resources as it is against the law. But beings we can't hardly get an officer to show up on repeated calls of trespassing and shooting out of hours by the same guy year after year, I find it hard to believe they will come for a dog running deer. After 6 seasons, we finally got a DNR officer to check this guy out. 6 seasons.....3 years repeated calls by more than 1 person on each time.

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IL_Bow_Man, I was thinking the same thing. I've read these articles about the DNR coming out shooting dogs themselves, as I mentioned earlier but I can't imagine them actually even coming out in Tx. Our game wardens are stretched thin and they don't have time to respond to calls like that. When I talked to the head Tx Parks and Wildlife biologist in our area last year, we talked about the problem and he said that it was something that HAD to be taken care of and that the only way to solve it was for hunters to do it themselves because GW's can't come sit on your deer stand waiting to see a dog run by.

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I think were just about to beat this horse to death. Just drop it and go on, agree to disagree. There are two sides to this thread (1) Those who wouldn't shoot a dog despite how many times it runs deer or cattle or any other livestock and (2) Those who would kill a dog for "REPEAT OFFENSES" of running deer. I don't think anyone has stated that he would enjoy having to shoot a dog for any reason. But if a dog is continually screwing up your hunting and you've made numerous attempts to convey your frustration to the dogs owner, and he/she has done nothing to prevent it from happening again, what other option are you left with? Give me a break, we who take our hunting serious, as I believe most of us on this forum do, deserve to have a great hunt every time we go out, and I for one am not going to compromise all the hard work and effort that I put in every year just because someone is too unconcerned or lazy to keep their pet pinned up. If this continually happened to me and the owner had been notified and had done nothing, I would have to say that I too would have to take the situation into my own hands and dispose of the dog.

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These posts always get me pretty steamed. The info about the beagle laying at an outfitters lodge really pisses me off. I would've been looking for the SOB who did that and kicking his behind.

I was in Illinois this fall and had 3 dogs running a rabbit under my stand. The last thing on my mind was shooting them. Later that evening I saw them at a local farmers place.

I've heard folks around here talking about shooting dogs and I just can't fathom being that much of an a**hole. You can say that they're feral and no one's pet, but it sounds like horse dirt to me. No deer is worth shooting a domestic dog.

I have a beagle and I sometimes run her during bow season, as our small game season overlaps archery season. If someone ever makes the mistake of shooting her, they're will be a hefty price to pay. Not only will I put them in the hospital, but they'll be repaying me for her.

Be men guys, and watch what you do while you're in the woods. When we're hunting, we represent hunters everywhere.

Tyler

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I agree.