2 cam or not 2 cam?
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Giant Nontypical
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Maytom, there' s a good reason there are more solos on the market than duals, for the time being anyway. Ever heard the word ' FAD' before? The whole market went solo cam because of the fad. It' s where the money was going. EVERY major bow company (except Mathews) kept duals in their lineup because they' ve seen plenty of fads come and go and knew enough to keep their products diversified. Now the fad is fading and duals are picking up market share again. Hybrids are finally coming on strong, cutting into the market share too.
Mathews can' t ever offer a dual or hybrid without first eating a very large plate of crow, as much badmouthing as they' ve done. So as long as they' re in business you' ll probably be able to get your hands on one of them ' old fashioned' solo cams.
But, one thing I do have to give Mathews credit for is their Genesis bow. A compound with no letoff. Danged if they didn' t figure out a way to reinvent the recurve, and make it just as complicated as a compound. LOL
Mathews can' t ever offer a dual or hybrid without first eating a very large plate of crow, as much badmouthing as they' ve done. So as long as they' re in business you' ll probably be able to get your hands on one of them ' old fashioned' solo cams.
But, one thing I do have to give Mathews credit for is their Genesis bow. A compound with no letoff. Danged if they didn' t figure out a way to reinvent the recurve, and make it just as complicated as a compound. LOL

#22
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From: Logan, UT/ NW Penna
So I am looking into buying a new bow. I have only shot a Mathews FX. Do you guys recomend that I go to a 2 cam bow? I am not a very good shot, and I probably wouldn' t be able to tune my own bow. Ill think about them while shopping around, but probably wont be for a while.
#23
Giant Nontypical
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tabby, I recommend you buy whatever you' re comfortable with and shoots good for you. All the fluff and hype aside, when you' re talking tuning and maintenance between a single, dual or hybrid, they all need periodic adjustments.
In my experience, I have a good deal less problem keeping a dual in tune than I did with any of the singles I' ve had. My duals have all given me some advance warning that they were needing attention. My accuracy would start sliding, a little at a time. With singles, the bow would be shooting great and then, all of a sudden, it wouldn' t put two arrows in the same part of the target. I' d hate for a single to decide it was time for a tune up with a big buck in front of me.
It will behoove you to learn to at least learn the basics of tuning and buy a portable press like the Bowmaster. Aside from a few outstanding shops that will make you shoot the bow between adjustments, all you get with a shop tune is a generic tune that doesn' t take your shooting form into account at all. You have to either adapt to the bow or know how to tweak that tune to fit you.
In my experience, I have a good deal less problem keeping a dual in tune than I did with any of the singles I' ve had. My duals have all given me some advance warning that they were needing attention. My accuracy would start sliding, a little at a time. With singles, the bow would be shooting great and then, all of a sudden, it wouldn' t put two arrows in the same part of the target. I' d hate for a single to decide it was time for a tune up with a big buck in front of me.
It will behoove you to learn to at least learn the basics of tuning and buy a portable press like the Bowmaster. Aside from a few outstanding shops that will make you shoot the bow between adjustments, all you get with a shop tune is a generic tune that doesn' t take your shooting form into account at all. You have to either adapt to the bow or know how to tweak that tune to fit you.
#24
I wasn' t refering just to Mathew' s bow line. I was stating that all bow companies sell more one cam bows than twin cams. Arthur, if this was a Fad, it has lasted almost 10 years now!! The popularity of one cam bows grows by leaps and bounds each year, and I don' t see this " fad" going away any time soon. Some guys are trying to prove otherwise, but facts are facts. I guess some people don' t read up on the current trends from the archery mags. I guess they are all wrong as well!![&:]
#25
Giant Nontypical
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Facts are facts, certainly. Unfortunately, your OPINION is not factual. Maybe you need to read some CURRENT industry literature.
By the way, a bit of friendly advice. Typing your posts all in bold font just makes you look like a goober.
By the way, a bit of friendly advice. Typing your posts all in bold font just makes you look like a goober.
#26
Well, well now AP, I' ve been typing like this for almost 4 years now, and I see that it NOW bothers you? Where have you been pal? With over 1,000 posts I guess I' m a newbie here, and you have to resort to name calling? What an AH!! I guess you have to come up with something huh, cause your lacking with accurate input on this post!! I think " you" better go back and read some current mags, where ever your getting your info from is out of date!! Oh yeah, I keep fogetting, your talking about the past with the twin cams theory, more like 1988 vintage stuff!! You got to love it!!
#27
Nontypical Buck
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From: Eastern PA USA
I am going to take the high road, and respond not to Maytom, but the original topic starter. 
I owned both a Q2 XL and an MQ 1. Both were impressive bows, IMO. The most impressive thing about them was the lack of felt recoil. This was true, even in comparison to other one-cam bows I have owned, from Bear, Jennings, High Country, Golden Eagle, and McPherson. All of the bows I mentioned seem to recoil by swinging the bottom limb out when shot, some more than others. All of these bows were very quiet. All of these bows, for me at least, tend to " throw" a shot every now and then. I guess it is a form problem or something. I know that I need to complete the form work I started by reading " Idiot Proof Archery" , but that will happen between archery seasons. The bottom line, for me at least, is that the two Mathews bows, and the McPherson 38 special were/are very impressive in terms of shooting quality, but IMO, demanding of near perfect form, especially when shooting broadheads.
I also had two Darton CPS bows. The Mountain 2000 was very accurate with broadheads, and much more forgiving than any one-cam I have owned, but too loud for my tastes. I did shoot one deer with it, and it wasn' t very loud in the woods, though. The Maverick was a good shooter, but the brace height was too short for me with warm clothing on. Both had more of a straight ahead jump to them, instead of the swing up and out of the one cams.
I am currently shooting a Bowtech Pro 38 DC. This is by far the easiest bow to shoot well I have owned. Broadheads fly laser-straight, and group very well. I currently have a Whisker Biscuit on this bow, and it shoots broadheads much better than the MQ1 did with the Muzzy Zero Effect rest. You would think the expensive drop away rest would make a bow more forgiving to shoot. You would think that the extra 1/2 " of brace height would make the MQ more forgiving to shoot. It very definitely was not the case for me. I have not even had this bow chronographed
(imagine that from a Bowtech owner!)

I feel like I have found the perfect bow for me. I am not even all that interested in the new Bowtechs, since I can' t believe that they would be all that much of an upgrade from this one.
The Bowtech is very quiet, right up there with any bow I have owned. I do have limb savers in addition to the Vibrablocks on the limbs. I also have a Stealth Stabilizer on the bow, and a Sims Enhancer 2000 in the rear-facing stabilizer mount. The recoil on this bow is very low, and straight forward, not swinging. It is not as low in recoil as your Q2 XL, but very low. I guess this is because Bowtech " stole" or copied Mathews long riser / short limb technology. Maybe it is also because this bow is, like most of Mathews low recoil bows, somewhat heavier than other bows in its class.[
] I don' t really care where the technology behind this bow comes from, it clearly works for me.
Oh yes, maintaining a two cam bow with good quality string and cables is really not a problem at all unless you have absolutely no access to any type of bow press to correct for the minimal initial stretch of the cables and string.
Bottom line, IMO, is that if you are curious about the 2 cam or even hybrid bows, I think it would be a good idea to try them and see for yourself. If there is any way you could do this while keeping your Mathews, that is the path I would personally take. Then you could directly compare the performance, and still have your " old" bow if you decide that you don' t like the two cams. The draw/shooting qualities of bows are so different, that only you can decide what is best for you. I personally was able to make that decision based on thousands of arrows rather than a few " Wow, that feels great!" shots at a pro shop test shoot.
I am personally so pleased that I went back to two cam bows (I have 3 right now) that I don' t really give a rat' s butt what percentages of bows sold are two cams.[
]

I owned both a Q2 XL and an MQ 1. Both were impressive bows, IMO. The most impressive thing about them was the lack of felt recoil. This was true, even in comparison to other one-cam bows I have owned, from Bear, Jennings, High Country, Golden Eagle, and McPherson. All of the bows I mentioned seem to recoil by swinging the bottom limb out when shot, some more than others. All of these bows were very quiet. All of these bows, for me at least, tend to " throw" a shot every now and then. I guess it is a form problem or something. I know that I need to complete the form work I started by reading " Idiot Proof Archery" , but that will happen between archery seasons. The bottom line, for me at least, is that the two Mathews bows, and the McPherson 38 special were/are very impressive in terms of shooting quality, but IMO, demanding of near perfect form, especially when shooting broadheads.
I also had two Darton CPS bows. The Mountain 2000 was very accurate with broadheads, and much more forgiving than any one-cam I have owned, but too loud for my tastes. I did shoot one deer with it, and it wasn' t very loud in the woods, though. The Maverick was a good shooter, but the brace height was too short for me with warm clothing on. Both had more of a straight ahead jump to them, instead of the swing up and out of the one cams.
I am currently shooting a Bowtech Pro 38 DC. This is by far the easiest bow to shoot well I have owned. Broadheads fly laser-straight, and group very well. I currently have a Whisker Biscuit on this bow, and it shoots broadheads much better than the MQ1 did with the Muzzy Zero Effect rest. You would think the expensive drop away rest would make a bow more forgiving to shoot. You would think that the extra 1/2 " of brace height would make the MQ more forgiving to shoot. It very definitely was not the case for me. I have not even had this bow chronographed
(imagine that from a Bowtech owner!)


I feel like I have found the perfect bow for me. I am not even all that interested in the new Bowtechs, since I can' t believe that they would be all that much of an upgrade from this one.
The Bowtech is very quiet, right up there with any bow I have owned. I do have limb savers in addition to the Vibrablocks on the limbs. I also have a Stealth Stabilizer on the bow, and a Sims Enhancer 2000 in the rear-facing stabilizer mount. The recoil on this bow is very low, and straight forward, not swinging. It is not as low in recoil as your Q2 XL, but very low. I guess this is because Bowtech " stole" or copied Mathews long riser / short limb technology. Maybe it is also because this bow is, like most of Mathews low recoil bows, somewhat heavier than other bows in its class.[
] I don' t really care where the technology behind this bow comes from, it clearly works for me.
Oh yes, maintaining a two cam bow with good quality string and cables is really not a problem at all unless you have absolutely no access to any type of bow press to correct for the minimal initial stretch of the cables and string.Bottom line, IMO, is that if you are curious about the 2 cam or even hybrid bows, I think it would be a good idea to try them and see for yourself. If there is any way you could do this while keeping your Mathews, that is the path I would personally take. Then you could directly compare the performance, and still have your " old" bow if you decide that you don' t like the two cams. The draw/shooting qualities of bows are so different, that only you can decide what is best for you. I personally was able to make that decision based on thousands of arrows rather than a few " Wow, that feels great!" shots at a pro shop test shoot.

I am personally so pleased that I went back to two cam bows (I have 3 right now) that I don' t really give a rat' s butt what percentages of bows sold are two cams.[
]
#28
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From: The socialist state of Massachusetts
PREDICTION: within a very few years, Mathews will be marketing 2 cam bows. If they persist in stressing the superiority of single cams, they will lose market share. Mathews is a business. Business' s exist to make money. As has been said, fads come and go. The smart business man gives the customer what he wants. SUV' s are not the most efficient or cost effective or attractive vehicles on the road. But the public wants them, so everybody markets them. It is the smart thing to do, rather than being left behind as a result of trying to persuade the public of the superiority of another type of vehicle. I have a bow of each type and I enjoy them both.
Clint
Clint
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From: Alvo Nebraska USA
Now now Arthur
His bold letters allow me to read his posts easier than yours through my old eyes[8D] I' d guess that Mathews was the innovator of bold letters on the archery message boards also
His bold letters allow me to read his posts easier than yours through my old eyes[8D] I' d guess that Mathews was the innovator of bold letters on the archery message boards also
#30
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Fork Horn
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From: Beavercreek Ohio
Thanks for all the advise / opinions, Between the 2 bows LX and Pat dual what one has the smoother draw cycle ? Also what let off is the dually? I was leaning hard toward the LX but now I' m kinda in the middle. Also how' s the BowTech cust service ? Thanks a bunch Jim


