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RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
Just for the heck of it Pluto, let me ask you this.....do you feel that 80% letoff helps you in any way while bowhunting? I don' t think the 65% rule will ever effect me. First I don' t measure a trophy by the size of its horns. Some of the most memorable deer I have ever shot were doe. To me the memory is the trophy. The skull just reminds me of it. Second, I don' t hunt in areas that have many BIG BUCKS. I hunt the lower TX Hill Country. The deer are small and preportioned but not going to put fear in a South TX monster. |
RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
The thing that I find mildly amusing is how anyone feels they can tell a private club how to run their club! 1st this and all private clubs are nothing more or less than its members. 2nd in this case, currently as shown in the most resent vote, the minority want the rule changed. 3rd in all cases, the minority should not be silenced by the majority. If the ideas of the minority don' t stand the test of time, they will fade. If these ideas are good, they will become the opinion of the majority. That is what is currently happining with changing the letoff rule. When the rule is changed, should the then minority of people that want the letoff set to 65% be silenced as you currenty want the pro 80%ers? I don' t think so. |
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What saddens me is that the animal is no longer honored so much as is the guy who took him! P&Y & B&C is all about the MAN, if it was about the animal there would be no mention of the hunters name. I am thankful for the things that both P&Y & B&C have done for hunting over the years, but what they have done is honor the hunter and not the animal. |
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When the rule is changed, should the then minority of people that want the letoff set to 65% be silenced as you currenty want the pro 80%ers? I don' t think so. I certainly don`t want to silence your thoughts.(change them maybe!:D) I do feel that if most people shooting 80% bows would give a quality 65% bow a try, they would realize that they are just fine. The only reason I would like to see it is because I think some things should quit changing. The old saying.....gotta draw the line somewhere. Now, do I think that going to 80% letoff is making crossbows a step closer to being included? Probably not. But, what if I am wrong? ArthurP seems to feel that way, and he is.......more seasoned than most of us. See Arthur, I did not say older!:D Maybe I am outdated in my thoughts, but they are my thoughts, so I gotta go with them. I would like to see P&Y keep it where it is. It sure is NOT anything personal against the guys wanting it to go to 80%. I just hope you lose!;) |
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So what is to stop someone from shooting a P&Y class buck with a cross bow, and recovering the deer, and a couple days later claim it as P&Y shot with a bow that qualifies? Assuming he has the nice little 65% letoff compound sitting in the corner?
Nothing stops someone from doing this other than their integrity. And I am sure there are some animals entered from those without integrity, and I feel strongly that there are more animals NOT entered than there are that are entered. So is the world record really a world record, when there could be a handful of people who have taken larger deer and never had them scored? Whats the point? The point is, P&Y are nice guidelines, if you get a book qualifier, you got a big deer. Thats really all it means. If you followed some set rules then great, but just cause a deer is in the books does not mean anything more than the word of the person who took it/entered it as following the rules. Sorry guys, there are enough people out there lying to make it an issue. Again, back to integrity. Personally I shoot an 80% letoff, and don' t care if I put a deer in the books. I want a quick clean kill, and let small bucks walk hoping to see bigger ones (talk about tough, letting bucks walk!!!!). In closing, my only point is summed up best by stealing a line from an old english buddy of mine, " To thine own self be true" , cause thats all that really matters. Good luck this coming season! --Jim |
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Taz, I hope you didn' t misinterpret my post.;) I meant that some hunters take more pride in seeing their name than they do in their great buck! I do not think that Pope and Young/Boone and Crockett honors the hunter more than the animal itself!
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RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
Why is the Zaft buck even a point of discussion when making any type of ethical hunting situations. If you have read all the stories and articles about this deer you cannot find that this was anything other than a found deer and probably not even killed by any hunter but by wolves, coyotes, or whatever predators roam the area. It was found by a farmer already long dead and devoured by those predators leaving nothing but the head. No way to even identify where it might have been shot and no arrow around to associate it with. The farmer tells some goose about a big deer carcass in his field and that goose says that if its that big its got to be mine. Ha Ha, you bet!! I commend P&Y on their decision to lower the score, it was at least an honorable way to keep an unethical claim out of the books. By the way, Zaft said his arrow cleared through the big deer and when found there was no arrow around, but when P&Y started investigating and asking some serious questions, the farmer changed his story and said that he believes that Zafts arrow was in the body of the deer. Sounds like some credibility problems here. But thats all ok, Zaft didn' t get in and can proudly take his place along side Brother Rompola. Remember him?
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RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
Take two identical bows with different letoff %.....the lower letoff bow will draw way smoother, and I think they launch better too.
I am on your side on this one Arthur and Cougar, and a few others. But I fear we are in the minority here. This should really open up a can of worms ....if P&Y raises the letoff%, I will grumble for a while, but if they include crossbows, my membership is over! Well I have to disagree a little. My Mathews LX is built and rated at 80% let off. It is very accurate and very smooth. It is also very fast and hits hard. I don' t know for sure where you got your info but I would like to know? Also where exactly do I stand in the P&Y books seeing I have the 80% or 65% let off option on my bow? I can change it in about 30 sec.? Just curious what does P&Y say about my bow?? |
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You bow is acceptable as long as you have it set for 65% when you take an animal. Liars, cheats and thieves that just want their name in the book would change it afterwards and probably get away with it. If you take a top 10 animal, or one that' s in the running for the Ishi Award, I believe you have to pass a polygraph. Not sure on that one though. The way things are these days, with most times a man' s word is worth about as much as the bubblegum stuck under a movie house seat, I' d say they need to polygraph each entry.
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I feel that they should change the rule.
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The problem I have with this " PRIVATE" club is that " PUBLIC" records are determined using their measuring system. So as far as I am concerned, the whole argument about conforming to private club rules is bogus.
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RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
The problem I have with this " PRIVATE" club is that " PUBLIC" records are determined using their measuring system. So as far as I am concerned, the whole argument about conforming to private club rules is bogus. |
RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
Rob, here' s the way it looks through my eyes:
P&Y is a private club....nobody is contesting that. However, P&Y' s record book isn' t just viewed by the public, it is the public. Therefore, the public opinion SHOULD mean something. Your Muzzy book won' t be a standard by which all are measured because you are catering to a selected group of bowhunters....not the majority. P&Y should recognize that time forces change and they need to change too. The days of 80% bows are here and not going anywhere. Obviously people are buying these high let-off bows....but why? A lot of bows are advertised at 80% with options for lower let-off. Maybe that has something to do with it, but regardless it' s something P&Y needs to consider and act on. |
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Your Muzzy book won' t be a standard by which all are measured because you are catering to a selected group of bowhunters....not the majority. P&Y should recognize that time forces change and they need to change too. It wouldn' t break my heart to see it change, however where is the line drawn...you can bet if they change, it won' t jump to 80%, it' ll be 70 or 75% and then all the 80% will still whine....what about draw locks...should they recognize them...if not, why is your 80% bow okay but draw locks aren' t....the line is drawn in the sand...it' s 65%....will they change....I wish they wouldn' t but that' s not my call....I choose to shoot 65% on my Hoyt with adjustable letoffs...why, that' s the line in the sand, will I change letoff if they comply with the minority....no I will not, 65% feels better to me. |
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After 6 pages, I think we are becoming redundant, redundant, see redundant. ;):D
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RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
They should change the rule, Thier rule is old and antiqueated like their leadership. They are just a bunch of traditionalist at heart.
Point is there will be a lot of deer taken with bows at 75 and 80 percent let off. these deer will not be in their book. Their book is a non-factor for me as all my bows are 70 or 75 percent let off. So their club doesn' t represent me as a bow hunter. Oh well the old fuddy dudies can have there club. I' ll put my deer on my wall and that will be that. Pope and Young, two thumbs down...[X(]:( |
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Rob, I' d like to see the stats too. I wonder who a fello goes to to find that sort of thing out?!?! That could weigh heavily in this debate.
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Rob, I' ll be honest with you, I' d rather the rule stay at 65% than to ever chance gadgets like a draw lock being legal. I agree, a line must be drawn somewhere. But, state records are determined by P&Y measuring systems.....Something just does' nt seem right about that.
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RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
Belle, you make a great point, when it comes to state records.
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RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
Wow! It' s like a bad horror movie:
The Thread that Would Not Die! Woops! I just made it even longer! Sorry>>>>[:' (] |
RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
Here is an email I had recievedfrom one the the P&Y directors. Of course, he is in favor of changing the let-off rule.
Just got back from another great Pope & Young Convention - this time - in Madsion, Wisconsin! Four days of great seminars, great speakers, a great game display with a bunch of new world records and just a great bunch of bowhunters to visit with! As I did in 2001 in Salt Lake City I presented a motion to the Regular and Senior membership to have the 65% letoff rule changed to 80%. At the time many club members really argued that it was important to " maintain a line in the sand" to stop the perceived uncontrolled development of compounds bows. My motion in 2001 was defeated by a margin of 2 to 1. In January of this year myself and a very hard working group of fellow members once again initiated a move to eliminate the 65% rule. Our belief, simply stated, was that a compound is a compound, and whatever the letoff; all fairchase, ethical, legally hunting bowhunters should be eligible to enter animals into the record book. This year I presented 2 motions. First, to eliminate letoff restrictions totally. If that failed, a 2nd motion to change the letoff restriction from 65% to 80%. With the help of a great group of fellow hard working Pope & Young members including, Dave Coupland, Archie Nesbitt, Tom Nelson, Mike Sturm, M R James, Bill Krenz, Dick Sage, Chuck Adams, Jim Dougherty, etc . etc. etc. We came extremely close this time! For the motion to eliminate letoff restrictions totally the vote was 142 for to 156 against. For a change to 80% it was 141 for to 149 against. It was a very positive, and well debated meeting by both sides. I, however, believe a " change in the wind" is occurring within the Pope & Young Club and intend to continue pushing this initiative until all fairchase North American bowhunters are eligible for :Bowhunting Records of North America" . Ryk |
RE: Rumors of Let-off % being revisted by P&Y
Sorry, I' m a little late on this topic.
Their book was started by traditional hunters, meaning Longbow and recurve shooters. Then along comes the compound bow and they all have their panties in a wad over this dumb limit!! 50%, 65%, 75% or even 80% let-off makes no difference. You still have to draw the bow back and make the shot, period!! I would like to see them change the book but in this way, make one book for the traditional shooters and one for the modern bows. Case closed then. Everyone can be happy and have there bucks " in" the book if thay so please. With the amount of hunters on the decline and the deer populations on the increase, there will be many more book bucks taken over the years to come. I shoot 80% let-off and won' t change, this is my preference. But with that choice I can' t enter the " book" if I ever do luck out and get a monster??? BS!! They have to change with the times, and by going with two seperate books eveyone wil be happy!! My two cents on it!!;) |
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I, however, believe a " change in the wind" is occurring within the Pope & Young Club and intend to continue pushing this initiative until all fairchase North American bowhunters are eligible for :Bowhunting Records of North America" . Ryk PERSONALLY, I think that if you are hunting within your state regulations, and shooting a BOW (not an x-bow) you should be in. With the trend towards 80% you are going to see more and more " P&Y" bucks NOT in the book...but in Buckmasters or something. This WILL hurt the legitimacy of the P&Y book as an archery records book. If they do NOT change, it will simply become a book of animals shot guy guys who use certain arbitrary restrictions on their equipment. |
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