Does the loop on your string effect draw length?
08-22-2009, 08:07 AM
#111
Nontypical Buck
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http://www.performance-archery.tv/?q=node/78
Skip ahead to about 2:40 and watch from there. Interesting information.
Shane
Skip ahead to about 2:40 and watch from there. Interesting information.
Shane
08-22-2009, 08:08 AM
#113
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You see....to assert that it changes the shooter's DL...you have to assume that there are multiple "optimal" setups for that archer....utilizing the same equipment.
That's pretty smple to understand, I would think, also.
IF the archer already knows he wants to use a Dloop. There's only ONE DL that will allow him to use the loop; release aid of choice AND to maintain proper form. If he changes the loop length, then.....his NOR the bow's (which will NEVER change) DL won't change. his anchors will (and his form will likely suffer).
I have a LOT....I mean a LOT of repsect for Greg/MO AND TFox's knowledge on most everything archery/hunting. I sincerely hope that isn't in question.
We've just obviously come to an empass in ideologies. I can accept that.
That's pretty smple to understand, I would think, also.
IF the archer already knows he wants to use a Dloop. There's only ONE DL that will allow him to use the loop; release aid of choice AND to maintain proper form. If he changes the loop length, then.....his NOR the bow's (which will NEVER change) DL won't change. his anchors will (and his form will likely suffer).
I have a LOT....I mean a LOT of repsect for Greg/MO AND TFox's knowledge on most everything archery/hunting. I sincerely hope that isn't in question.
We've just obviously come to an empass in ideologies. I can accept that.
The longer draw length with the shorter d-loop allows me to get more behind the shot.MY draw length is slightly longer set up this way.I was shooting this style for serious 3-d from the open stake and would utilize it for indoor as well if I liked to shoot indoor.If I were to be competing in really hilly terrain,I would use more of my current 3-d set up because it is shorter,even with a long loop the bow being set at 28" allows for more back pressure if you will for those uphill/downhill shots.This is a little better hunting setup as well.
08-22-2009, 08:09 AM
#114
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Some pro pics for reference,and hopefully some might learn something as well.I completely agree the tip of the nost and corner of he mouth are probably the msot solid anchors one can utilize but for whatever reason,certain people and body types do not allow for goof form and shot execution for them from those anchors.
Here is one of Hoyts top shooters,or atleast he was a couple years ago.
Notice how the elbow is directly behind the arrow.(this is something I see alot of shooters struggle with,even pros)Directly behind to slightly in front of the arrow is what most coaches consider "correct"
How about this guy.I have shot with him and he was absolutley lights out.I can assure you from standing beside him when he shoots,he has the correct arm angle.His stance is way open,or atleast is was then but he can shoot.
Here is one of Hoyts top shooters,or atleast he was a couple years ago.
Notice how the elbow is directly behind the arrow.(this is something I see alot of shooters struggle with,even pros)Directly behind to slightly in front of the arrow is what most coaches consider "correct"
How about this guy.I have shot with him and he was absolutley lights out.I can assure you from standing beside him when he shoots,he has the correct arm angle.His stance is way open,or atleast is was then but he can shoot.
08-22-2009, 08:12 AM
#115
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They are shooting the best draw length that they feel gives them the best chance to win.That is there optimum for what they are shooting at the time.These guys may not need to change,but then again,they are some of the best.
BUT,if you are getting at what I think you are getting at,if that loop is taken off,that "optimum" is going to change.
08-22-2009, 08:18 AM
#116
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I understand what you are saying about the correct arm angle. I don't disagree in any way. What I'm saying is that I can get the correct arm angle, and the perfect nose and mouth anchor, by maintaining the same draw length bow and adjusting the length of the loop to put my hand anchor and arm angle in their correct spot. I don't have to adjust anything in my head or arm position because I'm not changing the draw length of the string. I customize the loop. If I was shooting without a loop and off the string, I customize my release length. My nose and mouth will meet the string the same way every time. My head stays the same, my anchor stays the same. With your method, your anchor stays the same but your head has to change because the string changed.
Skip ahead to about 2:40 and watch from there. Interesting information.
08-22-2009, 08:35 AM
#117
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http://www.performance-archery.tv/?q=node/78
Skip ahead to about 2:40 and watch from there. Interesting information.
Shane
Skip ahead to about 2:40 and watch from there. Interesting information.
Shane
08-22-2009, 08:40 AM
#118
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This is where we disagree and it might be a matter of opinion.I have shot 2 different loop lengths with 2 different draw length settings on the bow and both are correct for me dependant upon what kind of shooting I want to do.
08-22-2009, 08:43 AM
#119
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http://www.performance-archery.tv/?q=node/78
Skip ahead to about 2:40 and watch from there. Interesting information.
Shane
Skip ahead to about 2:40 and watch from there. Interesting information.
Shane
08-22-2009, 10:00 AM
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