MeanV2

Yep I bought 2 Xtecs testing that very thing. The only difference being the size cam. It didn't make a diffrence in my draw length with that bow. I've had more than one Bow manufacturer tell me the reason it's done is cost...................................

But then they are going to Blow the more effecient horn. Any difference is Not worth the pain in the butt it creates to properly fit a customer.

You know how many times I've seen someone shooting the wrong draw length because that's what the dealer had and it was close?

Too Many Times!!

Face it your average off the street Bowhunter will listen to what a dealer tells him about his draw length needs! Looks Great!! Comes right back to your nose!!

Boy I've heard that one a few times!

Dan

SwampCollie

That is a good post TFOX.

I have that Iron Mace of mine that has Trinary cams (basically its just a different name for Binaries like found on BowTech) and there is a massive performance difference, even on the SAME draw length depending on if you are using short draw mods or long draw mods. 10fps lost right off the top going from long to short, even in a 29" draw. That said though, the hell with the speed loss! I shoot that thing better at 28.5" with a longer valley and higher let off for my 29" draw length.

As to being cheaper to manufacture.... MeanV would be one to know. I am sure they are probably cheaper to develop, and I am certain that draw length specific cams are going to produce a more uniform draw cycle no matter what draw length you have. It might be a pain for the customer when it comes to resale... but frankly neither your dealer nor probably the manufacturer is concerned about the person buying your used bow.... they'd rather have you buy a new one. That isn't a slam... that is simple common sense. Your dealer is not in business to make things convienient for you... he is in business to make money. Now that said, if he wants to make money, convienience has a lot to do with it in the long run.... but anyone who tells you the customer is priority one is lying or else missing the forrest for the trees.... priority one is money.... and if it isn't, then you won't be in business very long.

MeanV2

They may be out there, but I've yet to meet or talk to a dealer that prefers Draw specific cams.

As a matter of fact the new rotating mod BowTechis usingthis year has been very well accepted by Dealers and customers alike.

I shot Mathews for 6 years and to be honest the PIA with the Draw specific cams and the fact that no 2 models at 28" draw were the same was one reason I moved on.

That wasn't the only one but it was one of the reasons

I hope INever have to shoot a Draw Specific cam again. As a matter of Fact. I won't unless there are No other options.[8D]

Dan

davidmil

Because that's the way they do it.[&:] Plus, probably more efficient in manufacturing. When you get into modules and all that it's more drilling for screws and all that. Probably cost about the same to make a cam without modulesas it does to make a module. Make the came draw length specific and you've built in optimum performance without all the hassle. Bows that have different screws like a
Darton to shift the cam are not as efficient in some holes. Well maybe they're efficient, but you have a different feel during the draw.

TEmbry

If the dealer is quick to push someone out the door with the wrong DL, what would keep them from doing the same with modules? If they aren't taking the time to do it right, the problem is the dealer..not the cam.

I agree that I like modules better. But I think it has LITTLE to do with the shooter and ease of switching setupsand ALOT to do with pleasing dealers and allowing them littler inventory with less leftover bows at the end of the season....plus less custom ordering bows just because a DL is off.

It is what it is, both work fine...both are VERY cheap to free to switch out. If you buy your bow new from a shop, MANY will swap cams for free...and if you didnt, you can buy a set for about the same that yours will bring, making it near a free swap anyway.

Pretty interesting that they are cheaper to manufacture, I wouldnt have thought that, but like Swamp said...you would be the one to know though Dan. I just figured with Modules, they are designing/tweeking say 2-3 different cams, while with draw specific they have to design/tweek upwards of 9-10. But from the sounds of it, it is just alot harder to get it right with the module cams, thus the higher cost. Pretty interesting stuff.

MeanV2

Did you just ask this?

If you were a dealer which would you rather inventory? A whole set of cams to change draw lengths for each model?

A set of Modules to change the Draw lengths for each Cam on each model?

Andwith the new rotating mods the only way you send someone out the door with the wrong draw length is through your own stupidity

At least they can change the draw lengthvery easilyif or when they or someone else realizes it's wrong.

Also if you are going to change the Draw length, would you rather take the time to change Cams out completely? Change Modules? or just move a rotating Module?

Tough Questions I know[8D]

Dan

TFOX

The difference in price will depend upon how the cam systems are made.The Hoyt cam 1/2 system which is adjustable is probably one of the most expensive to manufacture.They have/had multiple drilling cycles,different modules and they have different cams for different draw length ranges and have a specific efficiency draw lengths within each draw length model.Plus,they have differnt limbs for each along with strings and cable length differences.


I understand the reasons behind adjustabilty and they are all valid reasons.Easier resale,easier to stock for dealers but I have found I like specific,or atleast cams designed at specific draw lengths,even if they have some adjustabilty.I like them so much that I am checking on Z3 cams for my AM35.

I feel Hoyt will offer a draw length specific cam next year similar to the Z3 for a bow that is similar to the AM bows.