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My buddy just sent me this pic. I don' t know the story behind it, but this is one big cat.



I can' t wait to go hunting!!

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Yea I saw this on another forum.

Supposed quote from the hunter:

We actaully took him home whole and weighed him at the fish Hatchery scale in town, he was 190 pounds. The Skull is 15-12/16 which makes him tied with 5 others skulls for 6th place over all.

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I also got this information.

the cat was taken about 20 minutes east of Bellevue (Washington) just outside of North Bend.

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That is one big cat!! To bad a peta member can' t run into one like that on a hiking trail[>:]

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nice cat, that would be a rush to hunt them.

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Anyone who knows anything about cougars knows damn well that this picture is not the real deal. Reality check time folks. It' s painfully obvious that the photograph has been digitally altered (and not very well at that). I' m sure the next person will challenge this, saying that it' s not only the real thing but that they saw it in person. Believe what you want. Here' s a pic of my friends housecat.

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Photographs can be very deceiving. Judging by the picture that cat would weigh more than 190 pounds. :)

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Digital photography aside, there is something about the cougar that makes the picture totally unbelievable. I will grant that the cougar in the picture does indeed look huge, it is apparently very thick thoughout the body and as represented in the picture would probaly top well in excess of two hundred pounds (at least in scale). The only problem is the size of the cougar in relationship to the man holding it. You see if the cougar in the question is as heavy and large as it seems then it is impossible that the man in the picture is to scale. Problem being is that a cougars body (on average) is 7-8 feet long and 10-11 with the tail. Females weigh 45 kilograms or 95 pounds. Males weigh 60-70 kilograms or 130-160 pounds. However the Biggest males can weigh 200 pounds. Now unless buddy in the picture is 9 feet tall, this picture is bogus.

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http://www.bowsite.org/biggame/section.cfm?gameid=16

check out all these fake pictures, lets use our CSI skills on these pictures with that awesome theory of scale.

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better let boone and crockett know about that theory - they are a bunch of suckers in need of a reality check too.

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Shakey, it' s a scientific fact that an average cougars body is 7-8 feet long. And this is supposed to be a huge one which could go as big as 9-10 feet (and that' s just the body). Maybe you could explain to us how it is that the World Class cougar only extends from the man' s chin to slightly below his knees? Glenn Hinsey had a good laugh over this one went I sent him the picture. He' s the Records Chair Person, btw, for Pope & Young.

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you can' t prove anything, that picture doesn' t look any different then other pictures of big cats except its not field dressed. under cougar pictures from the link i provided, the number 4 and 5 pictures are from a large cat , that is field dressed, but length wise looks no different in scale then this picture and as long as you don' t have any proof otherwise i would think you' d keep your " reality checks" to yourself.

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OK, BELIEVE WHATEVER YOU WANT TO BELIEVE SHAKY. That cougar is so out of proportion it isn' t even funny.

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Thanks, I will. Same to you. What i won' t do is spout off my theories as fact and act like a pompous know it all to someone who does believe the picture is real. I just didn' t want to disappoint you and not have someone challenge that which is so clear to someone with your trained eye. Go tell boone and crockett that they are posting a digitally enhanced photo on there web site if your so concerned about reality checks for everyone that is so ignorant of cougars. None of the experienced cougar hunters on other sites where this picture has been have called it a fake. they might have doubts and in fact it might be fake but i fail to see how your so positive when to my eye your theory doesn' t hold up with any other picture of cougars. i mean you could spend a lifetime arguing zaft and other whiteails - why give up and pout so quickly over this one.??

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If the statistics provided in this thread on the cat are true then I think that lends further evidence that the photo has been manipulated in some way.

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Here' s a picture of the pope and young record, taken by Scott Moore. The cougar weighed 205 pounds and had a body over 9 1/2 ft. long. The picture that has been posted of the cougar at the beginning of this thread is indeed on the Boone and Crockett website. However, it is in their Trophy Watch News section. Here is the introduction to that section...." Heard a rumor in the wind about a new World' s Record trophy being taken, or has your trophy been stolen? Check out Trophy Watch where we research the rumors, separate fact from fiction and post photos and information on outstanding trophies, oddities, interesting stories from the field, and information on missing trophies. You never know. Those rumors might just be true!"

In other words a picture or other thing has been submitted to the organization. However as far as any verification that the cougar exists is still in doubt as even as recent as today nothing further has come forth that would collaborate the autenticty of the photograph. According to B&C there is no official score as of yet and they have only a picture to judge things by. An unofficial score of 15-12/16 has been attributed to the cougar but no one representuing B&C has measured the skull and the measurement given was provided by the same source as the photograph. Again I say would you care to explain how it is the P&Y WR has a body 9 1/2 feet long and yet this contender barely makes 6 1/2 feet. (and I' m assuming the guy holding him is 7 feet tall or better since the cougar only goes from his chin to his knees). Again there has been nothing other than a picture of this cougar received by B&C.

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These are some measurements for taxidermy forms, the largest is nose to base of tail is 51 inches. flexible tail is 27 1/2 inches. Eye to nose is 3 1/2 inches. girth is 36 1/2 this is probably a old thick cat about the same proportions by the look of the form.
African lion is 80 inches long and tail is 36 inches , eye to nose is 7 1/4
I dont know if its doctored or not but theres no dout it is beefy cat.

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Man, all I know is I read the article, and saw the picture in a repritable (or how ever you spell it ) magazine. Why would they lie and deceive, for what purpose. I will find the article and let you all know.:)

Why is it every time someone posts something about another hunter doing something pretty neat, the W-Raven[X(] has to cut it down with ALL his knowledge, and wisdom, I wish I were as smart as he , then I could stick my foot in my mouth when ever I opened it,[:o] and then would have to argue with everyone to cover up my POOR SENSE OF FEELING INADEQUATE. [&:]

I think someones jealous of other hunters because he doesnt know how to hunt.[:-]

I' m sure he will let me know...............;)

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By the way, were did he get the assumed " facts" that the AVERAGE length of a cougar is 7-8 feet long, CRI$T, go smoke another joint. Try maybe around 6' to 6' 6" .

NO, seriously give me the wherabouts of such info, I am dying to see this. What? were these cats beamed down from planet Pluto or do they live only in your mind?

Maybe you can impress us all and have one of your GOOD buds at P&Y or B&C call me and explain it, better yet E-mail me because I dont think I could carry on a conversation while I am laffing my a$$ off. (man, I cant even spell, this is too funny, or ,I mean HE is too funny.:D WHATEVER!!!!!!

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I almost forgot, those were just my opinions, nothing else. (snicker, snicker[8D])

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There are no shadows.

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Don Loth follow this link. http://www.wildlifeprairiestatepark....ges/cougar.htm It will take you to the facts regarding vital statistics and cougars. I stand by my facts regarding them. It' s very easy for anyone to verify this from any other site. Maybe you should have tried finding out this information yourself before looking like an idiot. And that' s just the average cougar. WR class animals are much bigger. Hell the P&Y world record was over 9 1/2 feet long. ( here' s the link to that one http://www.huntinfo.com/bearpaw.htm ) And as far as B&C recognizing this cougar, this is 100% false. It is only included in the Trophy Watch News section. This section is for reader submissions and in no way reflects B&C' s acceptance of the animal. As of today there has been no verification backing this claim up. Hell, maybe if you could read you would have noticed the following disclaimer on the B&C page where this picture is listed.....Quote " HEARD A RUMOUR IN THE WIND ABOUT A NEW WORLD RECORD TROPHY BEING TAKEN. OR HAS YOUR TROPHY BEEN STOLEN? CHECK OUT TROPHY WATCH WHERE WE RESEARCH THE RUMOURS, SEPARATE FACT FROM FICTION AND POST PHOTOS AND INFORMATION ON OUTSTANDING TROPHIES ODDITIES, INTERESTING STORIES FROM THE FIELD. YOU NEVER KNOW, THOSE RUMORS MIGHT JUST BE TRUE" ." Endquote, This is just a page where readers can submitt pics and stories to B&C. There is nothing Official about it.

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As I mentioned earlier, it' s quite obvious that this pic has been digitally manipulated (and not very well at that) I' ve enhanced the photograph to bring out some details. As Cargo pointed out, there are no shadows even though the lighting is quite bright. What does that tell you?

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I' m impressed, do you live for this, and I stand behind this, I still think your a jealous boy [X(] Just my opinion........

Don Loth, what the heck is that. OH, is that an insult, gosh It hurt so bad, I think I will cry now.

By the way, went to your " website" witch it says length is 6-8 feet, I have checked out other sites and come up with other lengths, but just to make " you" happy and to help fullfill your needs to be " somebody" we will go with the 6-8 feet, notice it doesnt say 7-8 feet?

Still havent received an e-mail from your " BUDS" at P&Y, or B&C, looking forword to hearing from them...................;)

By the way ever think about changing your name to " GREEN raven" (envy... if you couldnt figure that out)

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Don, if you checked other sites that refute the vital statistics of cougars, why don' t you post them for us Don. Heck, the puma sub-species in Florida reaches lengths of 6 6 1/2 feet and it' s the baby of the family. So let' s see the information you have to back this up. It is also a given that Moore' s record cat was 9 1/2 feet long (nose to base of tail). You still haven' t explained why there is a total absence of shadows in the picture even though there is much light. Believe what you want. Aside from the news article in the " RUMOURS" section of Boone and Crockett, there has yet to be any verification by a credible source. And that includes the department of Fish And Wildlife in Washington. Anyone that knows anything about cougars can tell the picture is bogus. You don' t have to understand digital photography to see this. Ask yourself this " If the world' s record weighed 205 pounds and was 9 1/2 feet long, why is this one so short in the body if it is in fact as large as they say it is although other body proportions seem to be twice as thick?" Compare it to the picture of the white cat the fellow is holding above and you' ll have your answer. You can disprove the authenticity of this photo for yourself easily enough without my input. Bellevue is located in Region 4 in Washington. The regional director is Bob Everitt and he can be reached at (425) 775-1311. If you don' t want to incur long distance charges fax him at (425) 338-1066. You might as well hear it from them directly because it' s obvious there' s no convincing you. Talk to Bob and then get back to us. Thanks

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I' m not going to weigh in on whether the picture is real or not, but for facts sake I think a point needs to be mentioned again. As mentioned above, the referenced length of a fullgrown, healthy male mountain lion can be 9 feet long, with mention of the P&Y animal being an amazing 9 1/2 feet long.

What was not clearly mentioned is that the tail makes up almost exactly 1/3 of that length, making the largest body length of ANY mountain lion being just over 6 feet from anus to nose tip. Looking at the picture with that in mind, the cat " could" be real because it would be in that range based on the mans size.

The places you can reference the size of mountain lions are state wildlife agencies, american zoological society and several million animal information web sites.

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10-4 ,tail 2-2 1/2 feet long., But dont tell anyone, this is getting good.......:D

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The photographer knows how to properly use a fill-in flash? [:o]

No shadows on this one either. Guess it must be a fake?

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Wait one second here. White Raven, I' m asking you to clarify what I think is some fishy info you are spreading.

1. I already mentioned you were quoting body lengths without taking into account tail length.

2. You showed a picture of what you said was the Pope & Young record cougar taken by Scott Moore, which was shot in Park County, Wy in 1993 with a skull score of 16 1/16. But oddly enough the picture you showed representing Scott' s animal was of an animal with a score of 15 11/16 that was shot in either WA/ID/UT ... which anyone can look at in the brochure at www.huntinginfo.com/bearpaw.htm the caption on that animal states the facts as you listed them .. 9 1/2 feet long, 205 lbs, score of 15 11/16 .. but Pope & Young' s World Record states Scott Moore shot a 16 1/16 in Wyoming .. which is quite a bit bigger than the animal you posted a picture of. 3/8" of skull size is a pretty large discrepency.

The picture does look incredible, but it probably should considering he' s lifting a 6 foot bodied 3 foot tailed close to 200 lb cat that hasn' t been gutted yet.

Can you explain the confusion on your information please?

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Before you type the link above and get sent on a runaround, do this

do a google search on Bearpaw Outfitters, the top link will send you to the site
it is the WA/ID/UT one not the Canadian one

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Don, have you called Bob yet?????

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Are you serious??? You really believe a mountain lion can grow 9 feet and longer in body length??? Have you ever seen 1? That is from nose tip to butt .. 9 feet and longer ... well there are exactly 2 cats that can attain the lengths you descibe.

Tigers ..... and African lions. 9 1/2 feet would be the top end for the lion, and would weigh approx 500 lbs at that size.

We can agree to disagree then, but they do factor tail length when measuring American mountain lions .. and the tails of cougars ARE 1/3 of that total length.

But if I am wrong .. and we have suddenly started growing lions out west that are 9 and half feet long in body length alone ... well I' m glad I moved back east a few years back, because a cat that size could take out just about anything, including grizzlies!

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Body length: 6 feet.....neck and head...3 feet...tail...2 1/2 -3 feet. Yes i guess I do.

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WR,

That' s a little different than your previous " smoking gun" of...

I gotta give you credit though...you' ve got a heck of a mean backstroke. :D

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Measurements are given from tip of nose to base of tail. This is the body. And these measurements are from 6-8 feet for the average cougar. The WR P&Y was over 12 feet when the tail was included in the measurement.

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Well at least HE agrees now that the average length is 6-8. Its getting closer.

And why do I have to call " Bob" .:eek:

O.K, Enough kidding around, Check my " cougar" I shot ( Maybe). Give me your best " guess" , is it " fake or not" and if it is real how big is it? The cat I mean.

I will tell you the truth latter when I get your answer, W-raven.
And I promise not to lie..........:)

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http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/pdf/cmgtplan.pdf
please note page 3 of the Utah Cougar Management Plan, where it states that at 3 years of age when the cougar becomes full grown, it will measure from 6 feet to 8 feet in length from the tip of its nose to the tip of its tail, with a rare few being slightly larger or smaller

You just stated the World Record P&Y mountain lion measured 12 feet from nose tip to tail, which is the most unbelievable thing I' ve heard on the internet in awhile. Scott Moore' s animal harvested in Wyoming in 1993, the World Record P&Y Cougar, was just a hair over 9 feet from nose tip to tail tip. An INCREDIBLY large animal, but only 6 feet of it was body, and 3 feet of tail.

I' ve seen 3 cougars in the wild, they are impressive creatures, but they are not the size of tigers and african lions as you are insisting they are.

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JRW. Is it my imagination, or is there a shadow on that picture. On the ground from the tail to the guys foot, I am not sure, I am still looking for the article I saw the picture in, I will find it soon.

Also... isent muscle heavier than fat..... just an angle I am working on......:eek:

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YOU AIN' T KIDDING.......:D

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Hey Rack attack, you feeling better today???????:D