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The photo looks like a flash was used so there wouldnt be any shadows. When people measure a couger or other cats they MUST get measurments with the skin on the body or get carcus measurments. When I put the skin on a form there seems to be twice as much skin . All taxidermist can tell you the same story.
Like bear , people will give a 10 foot nose to base of tail measurment after the bear is steached to the limit. Im sure I could strech a 50 inch hide two feet but Im not into lieing about size I like telling facts.
Was those 7-9 foot lengths body or skin measurments?

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HuhHuh! ....MA Jay said " Anus" . Interesting discussion.

I think the picture looks bogus, because I couldn' t pick that kind of weight off the floor.[:o]

-Chief

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I am on a slow road to recovery:D

Its not easy to shake that Bow Rage;)

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Don,

Not your imagination at all. Look at the left and lower edges of the subject matter (cat and hunter). In particular...the lower & left edges of the front paws, the cat' s forehead, and the left edges of the hunter. Notice those shadows appear against the garage door and not the hunter' s body? That' s because there' s more distance between the cat and the door than there is from the cat to the hunter.

Simple answer...camera flash. The flash and lense are not in the same line. The flash on a camera is usually above and to one side of the lense. This causes border shadows opposite the flash. If the flash is to the right of the lense, the border shadows will be on the left, above the lense and they will be below, and so on. Photography 101.

If you' ll look at the photo I posted of the deer, you' ll see the same thing on the bow' s riser from the grip to the base of the upper limb...the back of the buck' s neck below its ear, and even along the top edges of the deer' s upper legs.

It ain' t rocket science...it' s just the way a camera flash works. :D

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Don, you should call " Bob" Everitt because he is the regional director for the Fish and Wildlife Commision in Region 4 in Washington where this cat was allegedly taken. It will only take you a couple of minutes to confirm the fact that they have absolutely no record whatsoever of not only this large cougar being taken but that the fellow who allegedly harvested it hadn' t been recorded as harvesting any cougar whatsoever. He can be reached at (425) 775-1311. If you don' t want to incur long distance charges fax him at (425) 338-1066. You might as well hear it from them directly because it' s obvious there' s no convincing you. All it takes is a phone call to determine for yourself one way or another with 100% certainty. Or do you want to hear the truth about it? Talk to " Bob" and then get back to us. Thanks. As for JRW' s shadow theory, shadows get more diffuse the further the distance. If anything the shadow against the hunter should be quite visible with the garage being quite diffuse. You just have to put your hand by a light and move it towards a wall to see this. If anything, the shadows should be less visible against the garage door not the oppsite. I thought any 3rd grader knew this.

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JRW,

Not to even touch on this cat topic. That is one heck of a great buck.

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white- r , you didnt answer the question, its for my amusement, is my picture real or is it memorex? :D

Com" on take a chance!!!! 50/50

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I will contemplate this idea of a cat with a 3' head and neck while I am waiting..;)

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At it again Raven? Is your sole purpose in life to shed doubt on other hunters awesome trophies?

It seems my initial judgement of you was right on course!

I dont think anything else needs to be added , you' ve already done a great job making yourself look foolish![&:]

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All it takes is a moment of anyone' s time to call the number for the Washington Fish and Game Commision that I have provided to disprove this photograph . I don' t understand why no one bothers too. Hey who knows, maybe he' ll say I' m wrong and back this guys story up. So come on, call or fax Bob Everitt and ask him what the real deal is regarding this cat. How many times do I have to post this number? What' s holding you back? Phone#:(425) 775-1311. Fax#: (425) 338-1066

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Hello??? My picture....... Remember??? I promise to check on that number if you humor me with your intelligence. Talk about skirting the question.....wow![:o]

I will make you an offer, If you get the picture right, I will bow to your great knowledge, and appologize to you.;)

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Jerry,

I dunno. According to our resident Columbo, my picture must be a fake (no big shaddows). Then again, maybe she can have that 3rd grader explain to her how a fill-in flash operates while she' s back-peddling around her " expertise" in the size of cougars. ;)

HEY!!! I was just looking at Rack-attack' s photo and noticed there are no big shadows in there either. Must be another fake photo. :D

The only thing I can really say about WR is...jealousy' s a real b-tch, ain' t it?

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Raven ,

Your phone number and contact in Washington doesn' t prove a damn thing (except how you go to extremes trying to discredit fortunate hunters). The original poster at bowsite.com received the pic by email (as did I) and he stated that the name and whereabouts of the hunter that shot it and where it was taken was all heresay and rumors.
Remember the pic going around in email of the huge brown bear that a hunter supposedly shot at point blank range as it was charging him?? All b.s.! But the pic was real and the bear was real. The true story later came out in publication.

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My approach to pictures like this on the internet is; Could it be POSSIBLE that the subject matter is real? If so, then I tend to believe it until it is proven otherwise.( No, I will not call Bob. That proves nothing.) Some pics might not be probable, but that is what makes records, records.

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I can not believe that there is actually three pages of arguing back and forth about wether this picture is real or not.[:@] If it' s real then that' s one heck of a big cat and good for the guy that shot it :Dand if it' s not then oh well I think we' ll all get over it.[:o]

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Bowfanatic, how can you possibly say my contact doesn' t mean anything? That' s the most absurd statement so far. He' s the Regional Director for God' s sake and can tell you the truth about this alleged harvest. Don, 35 pounds at the most. And what' s with the spots? I' m curious as to what that is. I' m thinking bobcat but to be honest I' m not sure. JRW, there' s a big difference in shadow patterns outdoors where the sun is a major light source and surfaces are irregular so shadow relection is scattered. JRW, how can you possibly compare shadowing between yours and the original pic. Yours was taken on an overcast day, with trees off in the background at some distance with leaves on the ground. Are you trying to tell me that shadows would be the same for this guy who is inside a garage and standing in front on what might as well be a movie screen projector. Even on a sunny day the light would be defelected in alldirections from the leaf bed in your photo causing shadowing to be quite diffuse. That would not be the case if the same picture was taken right up against a flat surface such as the garage door. You know what' s funny here is everyone that' s claiming the photo is real is just basing it on opinion and nothing else. So they come along shoot off their mouths but are reluctant to make a simple phone call to find out if this is so, in spite of the fact that I have posted the number several times. So come on call the number. Don' t you guys have the guts to find out the trurth for yourself or are you just content to come along base your opinion on a few limited facts. There' s an easy way to find out. Call or fax Bob Everitt. Or do you want to wallow in ignorance for ever. Then again once you did call the regional director you' d find out this was a hoax and then where would you be. You' d be unable to come along and spout your expertise regarding this and it would make you look like an idiot. So ignorance is bliss.

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Here we go again. As soon as I saw the name of White Raven I knew what was gonna happen. Heading back over to Eders. No White Raven there.

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Regional director from where? Read slowly....The stats behind the kill are all rumors! If the cat was not harvested in Washington , then your regional director would not have a clue , would he?

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This is going nowhere. Lets end it here.