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Just from going on the trad forum here and talking with the guys on here that are trad, I never knew there was so much animosity towards the compound from some trad shooters...every guy on here that shoots trad equp has always been polite and non aggressive in our talks..no one has ever frowned on me for shooting a compound or even acted like an elitist when i have asked about shooting traditional...what gives with the hate from some guys on other bow sites, or even just in conversation with a trad shooter?? Like I said, all the trad guys on here are great! But as I have been playing around with the idea of doing some trad shooting and visiting other sites and talking to new people, I get a feeling of shunness, (not really a word is it..) most of the trad guys I talk to are excited about a new guy taking it up, but there have been some that hate it...what is this attitude from a small minority??

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That's to bad Landon, a bunch of BS It Is. You will never ever get that attitude from me. People are sometimes all about themselves but I believe It's mostly Insecurity. I've also gotten treated that way on here from some of the compound folks and also a few who shoot both traditional and compound, Insecurity Is an ugly thing!

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The only issue I ever have when talking trad/compound.....is folks being hesitant to acknowledge something SO apparent (we won't get into specifics;)). It's the same in circles involving any talk ofmultiple weapons.

I LOVE shooting both. I'm torn on what to take out this time of year.

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I agree GMMAT. It always surprises me that hunters will be so quick to turn on other hunters just because of what weapon thay use. You know.......look down their noses and feel superior.......stuff like that.

I will say though that the trad guys on here are not bad at all..........most of it comes from the compound crowd.;)

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I was thinking of you when I wrote this....(wait a minute...that just doesn't sound right..) you know what I mean Steve...you have always been a class act! and everyone of the guys on the trad forum are as well.

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I need all of the crutches that my compound provides over a recurve. I own a recurve and love to fling arrows with it. But there is no way I can shoot as well with it as I do my compound. That is why I put a sight on my bow and scopes on most of my guns.

To each his own.

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Yeah I hear ya, GUS. That's why I always say I have more respect for the trad guys than to post my compound kills in their forum. AND....why I wouldnt post my shotgun turkey kills in this one.

I know no one in either of the other forumshas any disrespect for my manner of taking (both legal and ethical)....but it's my way of showing repsect.

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well it's no different than compound guys drilling gun hunters, but that is a whole another thread that I don't wantto start.. Im just suprised that some guys are that childish when it comes to archery weapons...I guess the X bow guys can say the same about trad and compound guys...:eek:

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VA these people are in every walk of life, I feel sorry for them! It also bums me out when other hunters put down other hunters because of the way they do things that bring them joy! It hurts us all! I am a hunter, period! I have come to find out the the trad community as a whole are a pretty good group of people, proud to be associated with them! Like you said, they always want to talk about it. But there are the ones that make you go WTF is wrong with this guy, what an idiot!!!! Some guys just need to be seen and heard! They also need to feel superior to others, to me they are missing the point of it all! It's like they are not happy unless they are not happy! I hope I don't come across to anyone this way, if so smack me!

Would you buy a damn longbow or recurve already!!!!!!!!! :):D

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I guess I was thinking a little deeper than posting pics.....lol. It's more of the condescending (sp?) attitudes toward others whenever a topic is brought up.

I understand not posting "gun kills" on abow web site.....makes sense, but when you come o a hunting forum of anykind it still surprises me that you can find a "I hate gun hunters" thread anywhere. They are here .......all of the time.....;)

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Im trying to BHF!! after Christmas!! thanks for a great response!

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One thing I do notice is that EVERYBODY's bow is nice and admired for what it is it seems.........people have their prefered makes, stylesetc but there is no attacking one brand or the other within their ranks. Compound shooters seem to attach their whole identity to what bow they shoot and defend it to the death. LOL
These guys just love a sweet looking hunk of wood no matter who built it.

The only slight exception it seems is with Black Widow. They seem to be the "Mathews" of the Trad world. You'll see the "overpriced", "There are better bows for less money" "They only sell so many because of advertising" type stuff occasionally that seem to get pretty heated. Black Widow for whatever reason is a bit of a polarizing topic.

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I agree with everything in your last post, GUS. When I see posts like that.....I consider the source.

MAtt....don't you attribute that (what you speak of) to most bows being more "custom"? I think you'd see the same thing if there were 4-5 major mfr's of trad bows and hardly ANY custom bows.

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Matt you nailed it! I noticed this when I first started going to the range with my Longbow. The Trad guys would come right over and want to see what kind of bow I was shooting, ask if they could shoot it or if I wanted to shoot theirs etc... and you would always get the curious guy that shoots a compound that wants to get into a Longbow or Recurve! Thats what I like about it the most, its supposed to be FUN and bring folks together, not separate us!

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I dont know of to many on here that actually hate a gun, rifle,or a X bow. I do however see a few on here that have been around long enough to see our bow season almost cut in half by special interest groups and are smart enough not to sit around with our thumbs stuck up our ass, and say nothing about it! There is a difference.

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I think the custom guys resent a little bit Black Widows as not being a "custom" bow and especially now that the risers are machined rather than handcrafted (mine is one of the last handcrafted models)
When in reality you can get a Black Widow in all sorts of custom configurations. I think a lot of the older Traditional guys who don't shoot BW are just anti "big company", "advertising", "commercialization" types and BW just rubs them the wrong way. LOL

The BW shooters do seem to be just a LITTLE more defensive of their bows and vocal of how much they prefer them as well.

IN any event they sure do seem to touch a nerve.:D

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I'm eager to hear more of what you are talking about? What special interest groups?

Our bow season is the longest season of the year in WV? Hasyourseasonbeen reduced in MI.

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Yea, I think I'd go the Habu route instead of the newer BW if I wanted that type of style. Don't have anything at all against BW, just personal preference. I have too many bows to shoot now though.

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Gus....My bow season's getting ready to take a BIG hit next year. Well....not "really"....but you tell me.

Next year....gun season will open probably one MONTH earlier.....and that will mean it will encompass the entire rut. I live in a state that already takes more bucks than does.....and I see this as a HUGE hit on our herd managament.

So I blame gun hunters, though? Heck no. They're innocent (as far as I know) beneficiaries/tools of the NCWRC. I'd like to see us (if they're going to make this change) go to a one buck rule for the entire state.....and then reward the folks who fill their allotted doe tags (4) with an additional buck tag.

Our eastern NC zones already have a FOUR buck limit. Imagine having an extra MONTH to fill those tags with a rifle.....in a state where more bucks are already taken.

Just don't make sense.

But again....I DO NOT blame gun hunters for this. They're pawns.

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Late 60's early 70's our bow season ran from Oct 1 to Dec 31, with only a 2 week gun season from Nov 15 to the 30. Fast forward to today. We have a youth season that comes in the weeked befor bow season starts, a handicaped rifle season in Oct followed by a special rifle doe season in Oct, still have the 2 week rifle season in Nov, then around the 10th of Dec Black Powder kickes in for 10 days followed by another rifle doe only season for 10 days. And now they want to allow the rifle hunters in the rest of the bow season packing X Bows.

Yes our Bow season has been reduced.

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GMMAT, I understand. Bow season is not being reduced per say..........gun season is being increased.....right?

No it's not the gun hunters fault, but all to often they take the rap......

Deer Hunting is big business now..........it's sad really.

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I think you answered your own question there...

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That's why I said "not really"....as my bow season is NOT being reduced. It'll affect me on one property.....as I share it with 3 others who gun hunt. I can tell you.....I think it'll decimate our buck herd, here. These guys aren't exactly Jim Shockey types.....but given an extra month to get "their bucks".....I think they'll handle that task. They have 2 bucks between the 3 of them, this year.......so far. Two of them would shoot ANY male deer.....and one's taken a 75" 7 pointer, so far.

I'm betting they ALL tag out next year on bucks. I hope I'm wrong.

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Not really. I guess I see it differently. I like to hunt. I took up bow hunting not only for the challenge, but so I could hunt more. It really does not bother me what weapon I am carrying so long as I can hunt.

The fundamental difference is that some only choose to bowhunt. For others like me that just liek to hunt........that's like extending football season.............:D

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Bowhunting is just a lot of fun. I really really enjoy it.

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I think you get elitist attitudes no matter where you go. I have seen it here as well as every other forum. People think thier way is the only way and everything else should be illegal and then everything would be perfect. The reality is this attitude only hurts hunting. I don't care what people hunt with as long as they do it legaly and are safe.

I personaly hunt with Selfbows I built as well as compounds and firearms. If it gives me another chance to be in the woods I'm going to use it. So why should I look down on anyone because of thier choice in weapons...

That being said we do have some good folks here in the Trad forum. Mostly I have found a buch of good folks that shoot trad.

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I'll be one of the top of the list as labeled a SOB when it comes to elitist attitudes on trad vs compound.

Understand, I killed a deer with a compound on Oct 2nd then on Nov 15th killed a buck with my trad bow. I've alternated back and forth, for 6 years now, and I have 2 decades compound experience. I qualify as been there and done that.

Let me tell you this - if you think traditional shooters can't look down on compounds without validity in it, then look at how compounders look down on crossbow hunters.

That animosity spews all the way from the P&Y Club who still to this day has a #1 priority of banning them from archery season. Compound shooters HATE crossbows, start a thread and you'll see it and they're proud of it! They'll tell you WHY its not archery or bowhunting in their minds .... what they cannot see is that to trad shooters, compounds are every bit as evil as compounds think crossbows are.


Oh the Irony huh? Those elitist compound shooters find themselves looked down even as they look down.

I've got to go to a Christmas party - I will be back later - but I'll tell you right now, before compounds archery season was recurves and longbows. After compounds, what was bowhunting was compounds, and recurves and longbows were shoved into a "traditonal" category.

Bowhunting is longbows and recurves. That has never changed, though its been forgotten. Compounds are not bowhunting, they are compound hunting, not bowhunting.

I know that will ruffle feathers, but I shoot a compound too - I can say that the deer I've killed with them are great kills, great hunts, accomplishments but I wasn't bowhunting until I went to recurves and longbows.

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wow.

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The real point to me Stealthy is that I really do not care one way or another what others think about what weapon I choose. I really don't. I love hunting, but I do live hunting 24/7 where I am so involved with everything that I have to care what others think, especially those people I do not even have any physical contact with on a daily basis. What is even more hillarious is that some people actually think they are better than others. DORKS.

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Gee, imagine that. We have the same thing going on within all the ranks at times on here. The Cliques do their thing and to heck with the rest of the world. I know that's not what you mean.... but it's the same thing. If you're one of the chosen... well you can do no wrong. If you're not... you can do no right. Shunesss??? Yup, it works.

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so stealthy....let me understand you...you hunted for 20 yrs with a compound?? then saw the "light" and became a trad shooter/hunter, yet you still carry the compound to hunt at times?? Ok, I kind of get it....I mean I bow hunt and shotgun hunt, yet i would rather hunt with a bow most of the time, however here in this part of Va we have deer dogs and it's kind of a tradition to hunt with them from Nov to Jan....so bowhunting is out of the question in most areas b/c of the disturbance of the dogs...but given the choice, I go with a bow any day..deer dogging and bowhunting are at opposing ends ....they are soooo different...but compound bows and trad bows are different yet it's the same logic....get them reasonably close, draw and shoot right?? so why would you ever take the compound at all....I mean all know the difference with a shotgun and bow, but Im not following your logic between compounds and trad for hunting...

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In my experience, all the trad shooters I know started as compound guys, and went looking for a bigger challenge after years of compound shooting. I'm the other way around, but I do see going back to a stick in the future (If i can ever get my hands on another massie bow:))

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He said he was going to a party, but I got 5 bucks says he is trying on his new Buckskin and antler button thong on, any takers!

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I don't either, however, no one can say rifle hunting is more challenging than shooting a flintlock muzzleloader, and as clearly as there is a difference there, there is also one between compounds and recurves/longbows.

try being a crossbow shooter and ask questions on the bowhunting forum. Or try being a meat hunter only with no care for horns. Or a houndsman, or someone who baits, or any numerous issues that bring out the ethics police.

elitism is in all of us, if you don't think it is, chances are you have it worse than anybody :(

I didn't say that at all. I started traditional shooting because compounds lost all appeal to me. They never got it back either, however they're far superior weapons and in the woods they give me a greater chance to fill a tag. That said I sold my only compound 2 weeks after I killed that 8 point and will likely remain a Zipper recurve shooter.

have you hunted with recurves? lately?

there really isn't any similarities in compounds and recurves anymore is there? compounds have almost breached into vertical crossbows. high letoffs, trigger releases, not drawing in the presence of game animals, long distance shots .... I mean it goes on and on and every year the seperation grows.

The only thing I can think of in the past 20 years for longbows/recurves is putting carbon in the limb lam's which isn't a great deal and the ACS limb design which is what, 5-7% increase in speeds ?

I can take your compound and in 10 minutes be shooting good groups at 40-50 yards. Compounds are designed to pick up and be very accurate with almost no practice. I know no one wants to admit that - because it takes the luster off their compound challenge but true it remains.

Sliverflicker sorry to dissappoint

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Come on now, you know it was funny :D.

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Stealthycat, I'm a little confused as to what your trying to say. I think we are all aware that different weapons have advantages and disadvantages. I think we can agree that some people are shallow and believe their way is the best or only way it should be done. But I wonder about you. Are you telling us that your somehow a better hunter because of your weapon choice? I don't want to put words in your mouth so please explain the point your trying to make. Also remember that trad hunting can be broken down into sub groups. Do you wear modern camo? what type of arrow shaft do you use? Broadhead? Footwear? How about other hunting aids - calls , tree stands, etc. Also remember that long bows at one time replaced "traditional weapons" such as spears.

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I use everything listed in my signature, to me they are just weapons. I am not any better of a hunter because I used my recurve one weekend, and my compound or XBow the next...I get a little PO'd at the fact we as hunters stillargue over this subject. Compounds, recurves,longbows,stickbows,spears, and rocks...are all weapons or have been used as weapons at one time.

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No kidding! One of the greatest aspects of hunting is the ability to pick your equipment and choose the method that you enjoy. Why is everyone so concerned about what the next guy does?

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join the club :)

Shooting traditional HAS made me a much better hunter, but no, thats not what I'm saying. its not about better or not as good .... its about realizing that bowhunting was never with compound or crossbows, it was recurves and longbows until the compound revolution and more recently the intro of crossbows into general archery seasons in several new states.

That has many many compound shooters in an uproar ... you see, they think their choice of "bow" should be legal bowhunting but not crossbows.

Yet, as a recurve shooter I can say that their compounds shouldn't be in bow season for the very same reasons.

Who is elite and who isn't ?



what can't be sub categorized? Greater than 80% letoff, solo cam's ver dual cams, releases or no releases, carbons or aluminums ..... but there is a huge difference between the compound bow and a traditional bow ... undeniable

hell yes ! welcome all the crossbow shooters with open arms to your general WI archery season ... right magicman54494 ? you got no problems with that, do you ?

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My uncle shoots a cross bow. I have no problem with him or anyone else shooting a crossbow. I'm glad they allow crossbows. It lets people like my uncle continue to enjoy hunting. He has a bad arm and wouldn't be able to hunt with a compound. I still don't understand your point. It sounds to me like you want all compound bows outlawed. Since my uncle started using a crossbow his bow kills are the same as when he shot a compound. I really don't see a big advantage. I have held a few crossbows and to me they seem heavy and would be hard to get thru thicker woods. If given the choice I would stick to my bow. I really believe my above quote. You can hunt with whatever you choose (as long as its legal) Just dont tell me what to choose or that my choice is beneath you.