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Cody....Now you're throwing P&Y in there. How can killing (Rybo I was agreeing with you;)) ANY young buck equate to seeing MORE mature buck? Is there not strength in numbers?

Schammel.....what I'm trying to get at is.....the 1.5spike racked buck could easily be a lae bron fawn (and almost always is). He could easily surpass the 6-8 point 1.5 in his mature years. It's been proven. There's NO WAY to know his antler potential in hs first year (unless it's "great"). You wanna kill the spikes? I don't care. I just don't want people to read this and think they shoud be doing the same on the lands they hunt...."for the sake of the herd". Wanna kill a spike? Have at it! I'll congratulate you! Just kill it and say "I wanted to kill it".....instead of...."I needed to cull it from the herd".

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No what im saying is that were our killing the so called bad genetic deer that are breeding our does.. which is giving the mature deer the chance to do that which is giving us a better an bigger buck ratio.. srry if u didnt get wat i was saying

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Cody...

Let me ask you another way.

If you have a litter of ten puppies.....and your desire is to have as many 5 yr old puppies as you can in 5 yrs.....

HOW can killing the runts help this number?

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In my opinion, there's no "excuse" for shooting a little buck. Shoot what you want, be freakin' happy with it! Don't make excuses ("he's a cull buck", "He was limping", "his nuts weren't big enough"). It gets real old, real fast. I'll be the first to congratulate you on any deer, as long as it's taken ethically.

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ur not getting what i am saying lol :)so lets put it this way if u understand what tc chammel is saying then that is what i am saying.. maybe now ull understand what im getting at

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I think the reason you guys aren't understanding each other, is because you are arguing different things. Jeff is arguing numbers of mature aged bucks, while they are arguing the rack size AT that mature age bewteen the bucks. They aren't looking for more 4.5 yo deer, they are looking for BIGGER 4.5 yo deer than the 4.5s that are there.

That said, I think they are pissing in the ocean trying to control genetics of a wild herd on small parcels. I think IAHunter had the best point, a LOT of 1.5 yos disperse into other areas, never to be seen again. Some have an injury or malnutrition to stunt growth for a year. Some are born late, taking a few years to catch back up..and yes some are born and will naturally never reach the size as another in the same environment, my question is...how on earth can we tell what the reasoning is in an uncontrolled environment?

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Trevor....this is what I was addressing.....not arguing.

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Cody can you show us a pictorial history of the bucks you are taking off of your farm? I'd like to see the difference from when you started this practice compared to the deer killed this year.

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But if we are killing bigger buck each an every year why not keep doing it.. [&:] its working so y not do it????

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yes i sure can.. but it will have to be this afternoon.. cause here in a min. i get to go get my staples out from my forwheeler accident :D:) but this evening i will put togther a picture show an maybe it will address what i am saying an get my point accross.. im not trying to make anybody mad or anything im jus trying to get what im saying across.. if its working y not do it