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Doubled 150 12-15-2008 02:51 PM

Good and Bad genetics
 
On our farm, we have two lines of bucks, one with good antler genetics and one with bad antler genetics. I noticed this about ten years ago andwe began to harvest what we thought were the deer with the bad genetics. We took out 1.5and 2.5 year old deer that had small "funky" racks and let the nice six and eight pointers go. A couple years later, it produced results. Over the next 4 or 5 years, there were 4 deer taken that scored over 130",one of themscoring around 160". The last few years, we've been letting all bucks walk that where under 3.5 yrs old regardless of what their rack looked like. Based on a couple of the maturebucks we've seen this year, we need to start culling out the "funky" racked deer. Maybe not necessarily the 1.5 year old deer, but I think you can get a pretty good idea of what a 2.5 year old deer will be in another year or two. Here's an example ofthe bad genetics. What are your thoughts?




Doubled 150 12-15-2008 02:56 PM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 
Example of good genetics




Doubled 150 12-15-2008 02:59 PM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 
Another example of good genetics




Talondale 12-15-2008 03:01 PM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 
Ship your bucks with bad genetics down here. I'll shoot them for you. I think you're deluding yourself if you think you can make a big change in antler form unless you control 1,000s of acres. Enjoy each rack for the uniqueness they have and let them reach their potential, whatever that may be.

Doubled 150 12-15-2008 03:15 PM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 

ORIGINAL: Talondale

Ship your bucks with bad genetics down here. I'll shoot them for you. I think you're deluding yourself if you think you can make a big change in antler form unless you control 1,000s of acres. Enjoy each rack for the uniqueness they have and let them reach their potential, whatever that may be.
If it were possible, I would be happy to ship the bad genetics to you. I don't believe you have to control 1000's of acres to make a big change in antler form.Including the neighbors, there are around 500+ acres that participated in our "program". I saw the results. Coincidence? Maybe, but I doubt it.

Vito1 12-15-2008 04:19 PM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 
Biologists have stated over and over again, you cannot alter the genetics of a free ranging deer herd. Everything I have read on the subject also stats you cannot tell a bucks potential until 3.5. If I were in your situation, I would let all those "funky" racked bucks walk.

NY/Al 12-15-2008 04:22 PM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 

ORIGINAL: Vito1

Biologists have stated over and over again, you cannot alter the genetics of a free ranging deer herd. Everything I have read on the subject also stats you cannot tell a bucks potential until 3.5. If I were in your situation, I would let all those "funky" racked bucks walk.
Exactly. I dont believe genetics mean squat, they just need age.

demoIL 12-15-2008 06:12 PM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 
Well I know what your saying.. We have good and bad genetics..

Every Year on the farm I hunt there are bucks taken that are 150-160" (large cattle farm) and many other nice ones.. However we have a line of genetics that we found about five years ago that are half racked bucks.. This year I seen three different half racked bucks, they have a rack on right side and a nub on the left. Now we have been trying to shoot these deer but have not seemed to make any progress cuz we keep seeing them year after year.. But we will keep after it.. We also have a thing with monster 8's but that's not a bad thing imo...

doc098 12-15-2008 07:17 PM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 

ORIGINAL: Talondale

Ship your bucks with bad genetics down here. I'll shoot them for you. I think you're deluding yourself if you think you can make a big change in antler form unless you control 1,000s of acres. Enjoy each rack for the uniqueness they have and let them reach their potential, whatever that may be.
Not necessarily true. I know what the pro's say but an adult doe can spend her entire life within 20 acres. Lookat some of the studys done at the UGA and LSU. Also, this study was done in LA. http://www.bayoubucks.com/forum/

scroll down until you see the heading, "Deer Telemetry Study"

TreednNC 12-16-2008 06:31 AM

RE: Good and Bad genetics
 
You do realize it takes two to tango, and the does are possibly carrying some of these 'genes' and theres no way to know which ones.


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