Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
11-06-2008, 05:08 PM
#111
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
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Bruce that's good stuff.
Can you shoot me a PM with all of the details?
And thanks.
Bruce that's good stuff.
Can you shoot me a PM with all of the details?
And thanks.
. PM is on the way.
11-06-2008, 05:09 PM
#112
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RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
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120 gr addition of weight means a slight loss of KE? I'd like to chrono my bow and see that. If I'm wrong I have no issues admitting that, either. Promise.
120 gr addition of weight means a slight loss of KE? I'd like to chrono my bow and see that. If I'm wrong I have no issues admitting that, either. Promise.
What's the heaviest arrow I can shoot that's properly spined (if I shoot a 100gr. head)? Also....what's the effect on spine? FOC?
I shoot a 316IBO Vectrix at 29" 70#, with a Easton FMJ .340 spine 481 grn arrow tipped with 125 grn head (when using rage i just add a 25 grn insert extension to bump them to 125). I only have a peep and dloop on string. If my chrono numbers are anywhere near the 277 number OT2 gave me, Im spitting over 82 ft/lbs KE. My arrows spine PERFECTLY with this match up.
this is 10 ft/lbs more than what my identical setup achieves on a 360 grn arrow according to OT2.
my arrows arent even considered heavy by alot either, just moderate.
11-06-2008, 05:15 PM
#114
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RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
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What's the "standard" drop in FPS per 10gr. addition in arrow weight?
What's the "standard" drop in FPS per 10gr. addition in arrow weight?
Ill try and chrono my setup with two or three different arrow weights to know for sure this next week or two.
11-06-2008, 05:22 PM
#115
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RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
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What's the "standard" drop in FPS per 10gr. addition in arrow weight?
What's the "standard" drop in FPS per 10gr. addition in arrow weight?
11-06-2008, 05:43 PM
#116
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RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
I shoot a 605gr arrow with a .300 spine(pretty stiff) and a 200gr tip (for you, 100gr brass insert, 100gr rage). It shoots out of a 67# commander at 223FPS with a 23.5%FOC at a KE of 66.16.
You could probably get something similar out of your bow since it is faster. If that arrow with a rage on it didn't passthru I'll pay for the arrows you made like that.
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What's the heaviest arrow I can shoot that's properly spined (if I shoot a 100gr. head)? Also....what's the effect on spine? FOC?
What's the heaviest arrow I can shoot that's properly spined (if I shoot a 100gr. head)? Also....what's the effect on spine? FOC?
You could probably get something similar out of your bow since it is faster. If that arrow with a rage on it didn't passthru I'll pay for the arrows you made like that
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You boys can keep your KE. It's about FOC and momentum
As for what Jeff is talking about with the Rage, the "what if" theory. Just simple logic, a deer shot at an extreme angle(qrt away is the worst IMO) the rage can and will be altered.
I have shot 1 deer with the rage, complete pass through.
11-06-2008, 08:26 PM
#117
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RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
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Inflicting more damage means nothing if you can't find your deer.
Better change of losing a deer with an arrow stuck in it:
a) Not as much blood loss
b) Risk of jumping the deer because you don't have an arrow to inspect.
ORIGINAL: annika3
Hey pal, read my earlier post, I said I would always like to get a "complete" passthrough so I too can get the information off my arrow. BUT
The arrow and BH will NOT DO ANY MORE DAMAGE once it exits the deer. IMO I would prefer a 2" cutting diameter BH going all the way through a deer and sticking out the opposite side (if I don't get a complete passthrough with the arrow stuck in the ground) over a 1" head stuck 6" into the ground.
Which of these 2 scenarios is going to inflict more damage to the deer?
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Are you that guy affiliated with Rage?
Actually, you will have a decrease in blood loss if the arrow is still in the deer. How could you not?
I've never heard someone say "oh yeah, pass through baby...but the arrow is still in the deer".
I'll stick with my strikers, and have an arrow to look at before taking a trail.
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Don't take this the wrong way but I'm going to state the obvious.
A BH, once it is sticking out the other side, is a passthrough. The bh has done its damage and will do no more damage once it exits the deer and sticks in the dirt. And with a 2" Rage, the arrow will not plug up the hole because the hole is much bigger than the arrow. I don't mean to beat a dead horse but "6" into the dirt" is overrated. I believe we all want to put the animal down quick and to inflict the most damage possibleto put the animal down quick and that is what th Rage does. Bowhunting is not a game of "my arrow sticks in the ground 6" after a passthrough".
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Thanks. I've been saying this all along.
Hence my fact finding mission. And....the reason I purchased some fixed heads, today to test.
Exactly, and I dont think anyone knows the answer to this, whether they claim to or not.
if you arent getting pass thrus into the dirt, assuming this is better, then Id look to a smaller Diameter COC head than a 2" rage, if you are happy with having bigger gashes and the arrow remaining in deer, stay with the devastating rage.
A BH, once it is sticking out the other side, is a passthrough. The bh has done its damage and will do no more damage once it exits the deer and sticks in the dirt. And with a 2" Rage, the arrow will not plug up the hole because the hole is much bigger than the arrow. I don't mean to beat a dead horse but "6" into the dirt" is overrated. I believe we all want to put the animal down quick and to inflict the most damage possibleto put the animal down quick and that is what th Rage does. Bowhunting is not a game of "my arrow sticks in the ground 6" after a passthrough".
Actually, you will have a decrease in blood loss if the arrow is still in the deer. How could you not?
I've never heard someone say "oh yeah, pass through baby...but the arrow is still in the deer".
I'll stick with my strikers, and have an arrow to look at before taking a trail.
The arrow and BH will NOT DO ANY MORE DAMAGE once it exits the deer. IMO I would prefer a 2" cutting diameter BH going all the way through a deer and sticking out the opposite side (if I don't get a complete passthrough with the arrow stuck in the ground) over a 1" head stuck 6" into the ground.
Which of these 2 scenarios is going to inflict more damage to the deer?
Better change of losing a deer with an arrow stuck in it:
a) Not as much blood loss
b) Risk of jumping the deer because you don't have an arrow to inspect.
b.If the arrow stays in the deer you should be able to see where you hit and if you're not sure where you hit,wait a few hours before tracking or the next morning. Please don't use jumping a wounded deer because the arrow didn't pass all the way through. WHEN IN DOUBT, BACK OUT.
11-06-2008, 08:29 PM
#118
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
A) It will block some blood loss? How would it not?
B) Bleeding internally does not leave a blood trail
When in doubt, check your arrow after a pass through. It will tell most of the story.
B) Bleeding internally does not leave a blood trail
When in doubt, check your arrow after a pass through. It will tell most of the story.
11-06-2008, 08:44 PM
#119
Fork Horn
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RE: Rage/Snyper users.....Pass Thru's?
It doesn't cause less blood loss. The arrow may cause less blood to come out, I won't deny that, but a small diameter arrow will not plug or stop blood from coming out a 2" hole. No matter what scenario it is the same amount of blood loss in the animal.
Now using a small cutting diameter head, 1", has a much better chance of plugging up if the arrow stays in. I'm not saying this to bash small diameter heads but it is much higher probability of this happening with small heads. And yes I know you will say that smaller heads have a better chance of complete passthrough, but we're using the scenario of "if the arrow stays in" and there is no guarantee of a complete passthrough with any BH.
Now using a small cutting diameter head, 1", has a much better chance of plugging up if the arrow stays in. I'm not saying this to bash small diameter heads but it is much higher probability of this happening with small heads. And yes I know you will say that smaller heads have a better chance of complete passthrough, but we're using the scenario of "if the arrow stays in" and there is no guarantee of a complete passthrough with any BH.