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IL_BOW_MAN 10-15-2008 07:26 AM

Check out this picture...
 
This was in an article on Prairie State Outdoors....

This picture supposedly came from a 15 year old bow hunter hunting in S.C. The story is that this hunter checked his trail cam the next day and found this photo. What a shot!



turtleshell 10-15-2008 07:31 AM

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Got him!

AF Hunter 10-15-2008 07:34 AM

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That picture appears to be superimposed. If it had not been, you would either not see through the deer like you can or the bottom of the deer would have been blurry from the movement.

hardcorehunter 10-15-2008 07:36 AM

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Pretty cool..the whole story is on the front page of AT right now.

Planter 10-15-2008 07:36 AM

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Thats a dead deeron a classic death run. Not alot of penetration but looks like more than enough to do the job. It looks like the arrow hit the offside shoulder.


MarquetteMagnum 10-15-2008 07:36 AM

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Well looks good either way

IL_BOW_MAN 10-15-2008 07:37 AM

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Not saying I disagree...because you very well cold be right...but the picture was kind of cool.

Vito1 10-15-2008 07:40 AM

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If you view the photo larger, you can see blood coming down from the opposite "arm pit". The arrow must have punctured through the other side.

I know a photo like this will cause some controvesy. So before someone cries "photoshop!", let me say transparent photos are very common with trail cameras. As someone who's work requires the use of photoshop on a daily basis, I believe this photo is authentic. I won't bore you with the details of why I believe this. I'm sure someone will not read the whole thread and cry photoshop anyway.

Planter 10-15-2008 08:00 AM

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Picture sure looks ligit to me. I remember ****lly posting a pic almost like that one last season. That picture was even cooler.

mossberghunter93 10-15-2008 08:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: Vito1

If you view the photo larger, you can see blood coming down from the opposite "arm pit". The arrow must have punctured through the other side.

I know a photo like this will cause some controvesy. So before someone cries "photoshop!", let me say transparent photos are very common with trail cameras. As someone who's work requires the use of photoshop on a daily basis, I believe this photo is authentic. I won't bore you with the details of why I believe this. I'm sure someone will not read the whole thread and cry photoshop anyway.
wow i see the blood ur talking about must have been a long arrow

njbuck22 10-15-2008 08:07 AM

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very cool pic, that deer sure jumped high as well.

txsteele 10-15-2008 08:47 AM

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I'm throwing a bigggg BS flag...... gotta be fake

wis_bow_huntr 10-15-2008 09:02 AM

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I showed this picture to my brother who took natural arts and photography and who was a professional photgrapher for many years for a couple different companies. This picture is legit. What casues us to see the back ground through the deer is the becasue the shutter speed on the cam isnt fast enough to capture anything moving faster than the shutter speed on the cam. Awesome pic.

NCRemington700 10-15-2008 09:02 AM

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Looks real to me! The deer's tail is transparent. This is your typical "death kick" right after the arrow made impact. Sweet pic!!

Vito1 10-15-2008 09:08 AM

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The entire deer isn't transparent which would make this even tougher to do without "seams". Also, the deer running off in the far left of the photo appears the same way. My knowledge of photo editing software and cameras would lead me to believe this photo is authentic.

Dr Andy 10-15-2008 09:14 AM

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I don't buy it. Sorry

buckeyehntr5 10-15-2008 09:14 AM

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That's a great pic! Very cool

MGH_PA 10-15-2008 09:23 AM

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Cool picture...I would have to look at it closer, as I use PS often as well, but I don't believe it to be Photoshopped. The shutter speed issue would lend itself to a more blurred image rather than simply a transparent one, but it could be the nature of how trail cams function. I haven't caught much moving action on mine, so I can't compare, but I believe this photo is real. There are pieces of dirt and debris coming off the front facing hoof you can see as well, which I think makes it more realistic.

The ONLY thing I was questioning was the rough edges on the bottom of the Cuddeback logo, but after looking at several samples online of other cuddback captures, that logo is always a bit rough on the bottom edge.

WV Hunter 10-15-2008 09:36 AM

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That is cool....if it is shopped, they did a darn good job! Huge congrats to the kid if its not, that would have to be a once in a zillion chance.

glockman55 10-15-2008 09:43 AM

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ORIGINAL: AF Hunter

That picture appears to be superimposed. If it had not been, you would either not see through the deer like you can or the bottom of the deer would have been blurry from the movement.
Blurry? It's a Cudde back..LOL

fastetti 10-15-2008 09:53 AM

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Im about 99% sure this is legit. Take a look at the upperleft hand of the photo (right in front of the shot deers nose). You can see another deer's tail and hind leg running out of there. If it was photoshopped, I don't think the person would have thought to put just a small amount of another deer in there that is running out of there. I say, Deer was shot, while feeding with at least another deer and both took off running. Great shot, both with an arrow and a trail cam. Don't think he had much of a tracking job on that one!!

The tail is light because the shutter speed on these trail cams isn't super fast. You can bet when he was jumping, his tail was moving quite fast. Man, I hope I see a deer like this when Im in the stand this year!!

IL_BOW_MAN 10-15-2008 10:09 AM

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Here is a response that I believe best sums it up over on AT. I read through the whole thread, and those guys are harsh...so lets not turn this thread into what they have. And they even have a friend of the kids family over there.



OK, I took a quick peek at the actual file from the camera (dhacker sent it to me) and I can say this:

1) The metadata indicates that this pic came from a cuddeback camera, with an F/3 Aperature, .89 second shutter speed. ISO 100, and a 1/6 second exposure time. If this photo was doctored, this would information would have changed to the program used to edit it* (This data is easy to change and not conclusive)

2) The pixel concentration of the deer is the same as the background. That is, the pixels are the same size. Again, not conclusive, as this could have been matched prior to shopping.

3) There are no jagged edges. This is a big one. For someone to photoshop a deer "in flight" with such care that there are no jagged edges, and yet they blurred it so much the background shows through is just stupid.

4) There are no signs of artificial blurring around the deer. Its all motion blur.

5) When you zoom in on the deer, you can see its shadow cast on the trees. Most people when photoshopping don't bother with shadows, as they are hard to mask.

6) You can see the deer's whiskers/single hairs around its head, where it is moving the slowest.

With .89 seconds shutter, and 1/6 second exposure, the deer could move a LOT in that time, which would make it appear transparent.
I would also like to add this from my opinion. As somebody that tries to play with shutter speedand many other options on my camera, you can put a camera on a tripod and just by changing settings, you can get multiple different pictures with lighting, shadows and many things.

Also, if you were going to take the time to photoshop that picture, why wouldn't you photoshop out the transparent parts? I amno expert in photoshop, but I could even do that. Just food for thought.

IL_BOW_MAN 10-15-2008 10:10 AM

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For the record...I believe 100% that this picture is real.

MGH_PA 10-15-2008 10:34 AM

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Ah, yeah, the flash firing later. I've done this in a dark room using a bulb exposure and then flashing the lights on and off real quickly with students. Can't believe I forgot that. Yeah this photo is definitely real.

Siman08/OH 10-15-2008 11:01 AM

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Im going with real :D

Orion in IL 10-15-2008 12:00 PM

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Looks fake to me...but I am not ready to call it a fake (since I am not an expert).

I believe it could have been faked.

I believe it could have been an "empty" picture to start with and the deer to the far left was one that was captured on the film a few shots earlier and had triggered the camera one last time before it left the field of view.

I do not see the main deer's shadow on the trees.

I am surprised that the flash does not show up on any of the surrounding imagery (since the flash by the deers head is very bright).
Why aren't the leaves below the head slightly washed out from the flash?

I just do not buy the amount of blood (on both sides of the deer) and the gaping wound (saturated with blood) happens at 1/6 of a second.
I could understand that amount of blood at 1 or 2 seconds.

There looks like there is blood on the side of the deer, unless this is mid-air blood (which it may be).

The other explanation that countradicts the above statements might be that this is the deer's second jump - not the first jump at impact as is assumed in the picture.

Since there are so many contests to win free stuff from the camera manufacturer's, I am not surprised if people do try to fake these.

If this is real, kudos to the kid.

If this is fake, kudos to the kid.




















Tomkat08 10-15-2008 12:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: AF Hunter

That picture appears to be superimposed. If it had not been, you would either not see through the deer like you can or the bottom of the deer would have been blurry from the movement.
I agree this is a fake, for the most part check out like what AF Hunter says, the trees you can see through the deers body. Not to mention in the far left corner of this image is a real deer and it kinda looks like the rear of the one layered over this cam shot.

Also, another thing is if this kid was checking his camera and seen this as a photo. It sounds like it was not shot by him lol.


Now if you look at this zoom in of the back of the deer you can see all these humps from the brush strokes. Take a good look at the body of this deer, you can follow the tree trunks through him and the patches of light through the leaves.



So negative the image to get a better look:
The green dots are areas of white light same as whats in the trees trough the leaves.
Red dots are areas of brush strokes.


I would say it is 100% fake.

txsteele 10-15-2008 12:20 PM

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Again BS! This is a dead deer laying on it's side with an arrow shoved in it. That pic was then superimposed over the "woods" pic. WAY TOO MUCH BLOOD FOR THAT QUICK OF A PICTURE

Vito1 10-15-2008 12:21 PM

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The strange part is anyone that appears to be knowledgeable in photoshop and/or photography seems to believe this is real. Hmm...I wonder who is more likely to be right?

If this hits 14 pages, I might have to change my avatar![8D]

Tomkat08 10-15-2008 12:28 PM

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Im knowledgeable in photoshop and paintshop. And it is a fact this is a fake image.
You can actually follow the ghosted image of the background trees right through the deer.

No need to look at the blood or anything else really. Also the person that did this is not very good with what ever they are using to make this image lol. They didnt use and extraction method for rendering the image of the deer haha. It was done manually by hand :).

daveyrock 10-15-2008 12:45 PM

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hard telling whether or not the picture was put together in an outside program...the deer itself looks real enough, its whether or not it was added to a background by a 15 yr old looking to impress some friends.....I'm not saying that of course could be legit could not be....it was a nice shot though

MGH_PA 10-15-2008 12:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Tomkat08

Im knowledgeable in photoshop and paintshop. And it is a fact this is a fake image.
You can actually follow the ghosted image of the background trees right through the deer.

No need to look at the blood or anything else really. Also the person that did this is not very good with what ever they are using to make this image lol. They didnt use and extraction method for rendering the image of the deer haha. It was done manually by hand :).
No.

Why would the extraction of the REST of the deer (the more difficult areas such as the whispy tail, the dirt in front of the hoof, etc that require a softer mask, or channel selection be perfect? I noticed the humps as well, but I don't believe they're brush strokes. The transparency is called ghosting...it can happen very easily when a long exposure is coupled with a flash of a light source (such as the flash from a camera). Here's a test for you...

Go into a dark room. Get a camera with manual controls, and put it on a tripod. Set the camera to a long exposure (10seconds or so). Have someone in the room standing in the shot. Depress the shutter, then flick the lights on the room, then turn them off. Have the person move to another spot, again flick the lights on. Repeat one more time. What you will see is the persons three positions in one picture WITH a ghosting (transparent) image of the persons movement.

In case you didn't see this post on AT, here's an example of what I'm talking about:



That's one continuous exposure. Who cares really anyways? Why aren't more of us out hunting?[8D]

IL_BOW_MAN 10-15-2008 12:59 PM

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That's one continuous exposure. Who cares really anyways? Why aren't more of us out hunting?
I can't hunt...I am supposed to be working!!;)

And there is no way in gods green earth that this deer is laying on the ground dead and then laid over a background. You can see the muscles are tensed up and what have you.


MGH_PA 10-15-2008 01:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: IL_BOW_MAN


That's one continuous exposure. Who cares really anyways? Why aren't more of us out hunting?
I can't hunt...I am supposed to be working!!;)

And there is no way in gods green earth that this deer is laying on the ground dead and then laid over a background. You can see the muscles are tensed up and what have you.
Lol, me, too, but I'll be out this evening!

Germ 10-15-2008 01:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: IL_BOW_MAN

This was in an article on Prairie State Outdoors....

This picture supposedly came from a 15 year old bow hunter hunting in S.C. The story is that this hunter checked his trail cam the next day and found this photo. What a shot!


All I know is this deer was not gut shot either:D

IL_BOW_MAN 10-15-2008 01:11 PM

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And as far as the flash goes...the deer is standing atleast 6-10 yards from the nearesttrees in the background, there for the deer absorbed more of the flash then the surroundings. That is just how it works. If you accidently leave a twig 5 ft from your trail camera, it will make the picture of the animal at 10' away a little darker.

nchawkeye 10-15-2008 01:13 PM

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That deer must have been shot with a Rage!!!:D

hardcorehunter 10-15-2008 01:15 PM

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ORIGINAL: IL_BOW_MAN

For the record...I believe 100% that this picture is real.
me 2

Pops423 10-15-2008 01:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: Germ
All I know is this deer was not gut shot either:D
Now that's funny stuff right there.

and yes, I'm supposed to be working too.

Tomkat08 10-15-2008 01:30 PM

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I know what ghosting is mate. And your right about that, but you can see also there is no shadow from anything especially the arrow itself. With a flash, such as what is seen in this image there will very well be one from the arrow or the deer itself.
If you zoom all the way it it was clone brushed then an eraser was used to touch up the edges. This is where the humps came from mate. I have seen this thousands of times, and if you try to clean up too much you get this effect. If you did it with single pixel size you wont see it as much.

Im dead set on it being a fake image here. Too much visual evidence on the edges of the deer from a touched up image.


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