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ORIGINAL: NY/Al HAHA Tony when i clicked on the "attachment" link it said SUPERTONY! I like the name choice:D |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: NY/Al HAHA Tony when i clicked on the "attachment" link it said SUPERTONY! I like the name choice:D |
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wow, this thread has it all! Killings, debates, scripture, broadheads, pictures, more debates, more pictures, and even church!!!
now that's just like sitting around the campfire on a hunting trip! |
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ORIGINAL: NY/Al ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: NY/Al HAHA Tony when i clicked on the "attachment" link it said SUPERTONY! I like the name choice:D |
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PT, you forgot your whole flock here on the I'net!
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I didn't dispute you, Rob. I asked if your current setup would go through the same bone. The moment I start basing my BH choice on my poor shots......and start touting my BH for it's poor shot capabilites......is a sad day. Ditto the day I start blaming my BH for MY ineptness. If I was gonna do that (pick a BH based on its poor shot capabilities).....I'd just shoot at anything "brown".....pick my head based on the worst case scenario......and hope for the best. I've killed enough deer, now....to have seen perfect hits with both.....and not so perfect hits with both (mech's and fixed blade BH's). I picked my current BH based on my past experiences with both. When I heara hunter exclaim he's against mechanicals....because they won't blow through bone like his fixed blades......let's just say my radar bleeps. |
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My current setup What you're shooting hasnothing to do with what I'm shooting. If my setup was like a lot of others......I wouldn't shoot mechanicals, either. |
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Matthews Switchback, 28" @ 70 lbs. ORIGINAL: GMMAT Rackluster.... NO HEAD is gonna go through hard bone.....other than a rib bone. Not one of them. |
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ok guys, i know how we can settle this...
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My sign? Heck I had your same bow.....lol. Great bow. Would I shoot mechanical from it......and expect them to react the same as a fixed blade BH?
No. You plan your BH choice with "overkill" in mind. I do, too. I just do it with speed and KE. You do it by switching BH types (based on your NEED to do so .....with that setup). EVERY story is told with a different setup being shot. At some point a BH will go through (either partially or directly) an animal's bone (or...it did, that day....with THAT animal). Would I plan my BH choice for that occurrence? Hell no. You would. Good for you.;) |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT My sign? Heck I had your same bow.....lol. Great bow. Would I shoot mechanical from it......and expect them to react the same as a fixed blade BH? No. |
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Jeff, did you use mechanicals with your switchback? |
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So ..... what do you all think about the Killing part of the hunt? ;)
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I was wondering if this thread would ever turn back to the original idea behind it? Killing is good. You can't harvest if you don't kill. The deer just won't stand for it. If you are a hunter, you are a killer (no matter what PC term you want to use, it's still killing). OR Maybe we could just clear it up with different terms:
Deer Killer - someone who takes a deer for nothing more than the rack. Deer Harvester - someon who takes a deer for the meat & the rack is a bonus. All In Favor? |
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DING DING DING!!! WINNER!!!
love it AF, you got my vote. lol |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT My sign? Heck I had your same bow.....lol. Great bow. Would I shoot mechanical from it......and expect them to react the same as a fixed blade BH? No. You plan your BH choice with "overkill" in mind. I do, too. I just do it with speed and KE. You do it by switching BH types (based on your NEED to do so .....with that setup). EVERY story is told with a different setup being shot. At some point a BH will go through (either partially or directly) an animal's bone (or...it did, that day....with THAT animal). Would I plan my BH choice for that occurrence? Hell no. You would. Good for you.;) You are starting to go in a circle again. Ever think about running for public office? |
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I was thinking about it today. The kill is the reason we hunt. Granted that Sitting in a tree is fun and watching the woods come to life in the morning is..We would not be doing it as much if we wernt there to make a kill. Not to hi-jack your thread but, How many people rely on hunting as a source of food? I mean if you didnt hunt you would die of starvation.
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16 kills (less than 3 seasons)......16 recoveries and one "unknown". I can live with that.;)
PT..here's aquote I like to refer back to when i see threads like this one. It sums up my thoughts better than I could express them. "The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the descendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter." - Finn Aagard |
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The killing is necessary, it dont bother me a bit, i actually am quite fond of it!
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Over my years hunting deer, I have shot at 12 deer, harvested 12 deer, and ate 12 deer. I do not harvest more than we will consume. I take from the earth what we will eat and do not go out to shoot animals for the thrill of "killing". Although, when I release the arrow or squeeze the trigger and know the shot is good, there is still that adrenaline rush which adds to the hunt.
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ORIGINAL: AF Hunter Over my years hunting deer, I have shot at 12 deer, harvested 12 deer, and ate 12 deer. I do not harvest more than we will consume. I take from the earth what we will eat and do not go out to shoot animals for the thrill of "killing". Although, when I release the arrow or squeeze the trigger and know the shot is good, there is still that adrenaline rush which adds to the hunt. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT 16 kills (less than 3 seasons)......16 recoveries and one "unknown". I can live with that.;) PT..here's aquote I like to refer back to when i see threads like this one. It sums up my thoughts better than I could express them. "The kill is the satisfying, indeed essential, conclusion to a successful hunt. But, I take no pleasure in the act itself. One does not hunt in order to kill, but kills in order to have hunted. Then why do I hunt? I hunt for the same reason my well-fed cat hunts...because I must, because it is in the blood, because I am the descendent of a thousand generations of hunters. I hunt because I am a hunter." - Finn Aagard |
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I go hunting with the intention of killing something everytime. I don't get up at dark thirty in frigid temps to watch deer, I'm there to hunt them and hopefully kill one.
That what you are looking for PT?[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: buttonbuckmaster I go hunting with the intention of killing something everytime. I don't get up at dark thirty in frigid temps to watch deer, I'm there to hunt them and hopefully kill one. That what you are looking for PT?[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: mauser06 SIR! STEP AWAY FROM THE BONG!!! BTW Captain ... anger has nothing to do with it ...... I'm not angry .... maybe it's a dominating thing ....I dunno .... somebody help me ....[8D] |
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No, it wasn't aimed any anyone.
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PT, I think I finally got what you wanted everybody to respond. Do you like the kill or not. Personally, I have a moment of guilt run by after the kill.
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the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy.
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ORIGINAL: RackLuster the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy. |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: buttonbuckmaster I go hunting with the intention of killing something everytime. I don't get up at dark thirty in frigid temps to watch deer, I'm there to hunt them and hopefully kill one. That what you are looking for PT?[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: RackLuster the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy. |
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Every kill I have made, I feel just a small twinge of guilt but it is largely overshadowed by what I just accomplished which as we allknow is not the easiest task in the world (killing a deer with a bow), for this I am proud of what I achieved.
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PT.....
It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try... I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair? Sometimes just being out there is AWESOME! Sometimes it's cool when it ends in a kill. Do I go each time....hoping to kill? Sure. But I'll go back to your statement......kill the intended target. It's all a big game, to me. It starts opening day and ends on the closer......and along the way I have a few kills. Honestly....killing as many deer as I did last year wasn't that "fun". It took something away from the overall experience. It's no "happenstance" that I'm switching up my tactics, this year. I'd like it if I killed less deer.....and other people killed more. If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't. The "Kill" is the crescendo to a perfect hunt.....IF it's an animal you're after. Simply killing for the sake of killing isn't "hunting" (IMO). It's exactly what it sounds like......killing. I tell my wife I'm going "hunting"....and that entails a myriad of things, to me. Believe it or not....I had a GREAT time out there, yesterday.....and I didn't even SEE a deer (OK....other than THE deer I'm after that I bumped, going in:eek::D). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special. Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one. When and if you come down.....I'l try to make sure you get your fix.;) Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one. Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT PT..... It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try... I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair? Sometimes just being out there is AWESOME! Sometimes it's cool when it ends in a kill. Do I go each time....hoping to kill? Sure. But I'll go back to your statement......kill the intended target. It's all a big game, to me. It starts opening day and ends on the closer......and along the way I have a few kills. Honestly....killing as many deer as I did last year wasn't that "fun". It took something away from the overall experience. It's no "happenstance" that I'm switching up my tactics, this year. I'd like it if I killed less deer.....and other people killed more. If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't. The "Kill" is the crescendo to a perfect hunt.....IF it's an animal you're after. Simply killing for the sake of killing isn't "hunting" (IMO). It's exactly what it sounds like......killing. I tell my wife I'm going "hunting"....and that entails a myriad of things, to me. Believe it or not....I had a GREAT time out there, yesterday.....and I didn't even SEE a deer (OK....other than THE deer I'm after that I bumped, going in:eek::D). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special. Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one. When and if you come down.....I'l try to make sure you get your fix.;) Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one. Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT PT..... It's hard for me to explain.....but I'll try... I know full well the ending to a truly (totally) successful hunti results in a dead animal. I'm OK with that. I have no regrets when I kill an animal....and I never have. I also know that not every hunt (far from it) will end in a kill. If they all ended that way......I'd hate it. If I read you correctly.....this wouldn't bother you. Is that fair? Sometimes just being out there is AWESOME! Sometimes it's cool when it ends in a kill. Do I go each time....hoping to kill? Sure. But I'll go back to your statement......kill the intended target. It's all a big game, to me. It starts opening day and ends on the closer......and along the way I have a few kills. Honestly....killing as many deer as I did last year wasn't that "fun". It took something away from the overall experience. It's no "happenstance" that I'm switching up my tactics, this year. I'd like it if I killed less deer.....and other people killed more. If I wanted to.....I think I could kill 15 deer this year. I know I could have, last year. Some people might find that "fun". I wouldn't. The "Kill" is the crescendo to a perfect hunt.....IF it's an animal you're after. Simply killing for the sake of killing isn't "hunting" (IMO). It's exactly what it sounds like......killing. I tell my wife I'm going "hunting"....and that entails a myriad of things, to me. Believe it or not....I had a GREAT time out there, yesterday.....and I didn't even SEE a deer (OK....other than THE deer I'm after that I bumped, going in:eek::D). What a hunt, though. I learned a lot from it. It'll make the next one....or maybe the next one.....or maybe even 10-20 hunts from now that much more special. Saying one enjoys the kill says to me that they view hunting as individual battles. I'm trying to keep it fun by looking at the season as an index of battles.......with the intention of winning the big one. When and if you come down.....I'l try to make sure you get your fix.;) Pick some future November dates......and I can almost assure you you'll get your shot at one. Don't take the fact that some of us don't "enjoy" killing as a sign of regret or remorse when we do it. It's not that, at all. It's just not a requirement for me to have enjoyed a successful hunt. Are we getting closer on this, Jeff? I think we are more alike than not here ... |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: RackLuster the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy. When I have an animal down, I have a very wide range of emotions. Emotions that I usually keep to myself and my maker. The end result is I lay my hand on the animal knowing I'm the first human that has (probably) ever touched said animal and I thank God for this opportunity. The reasons I hunt are the reasons I hunt and I don't need to explain them to anyone over the internet. |
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let's nbot confuse what I am saying here .... which is prolly my fault ...... when you kill the intended target ....did you take pleasure in the act ...yes or no? When you killed "the bull", did you take pleasure in it? I suppose you could say I took pleasure in the act of the culmination of the successful hunt, but not any more than on some hunts where I didn't kill something. Speaking of the bull.....that's a good story to discuss this. I saw him last year for the first time on Friday 11/2. He walked by in the darkness and stood not 5 yds from my tree I was in. The moon was bright and I grinned ear to ear as I looked at him through my binos. That was a GREAT hunt. I saw him again, Saturday morning 11/3....and I "almost" had him, then (9 yds, quartering to.....but no shot opportunity). GREAT hunt! When I killed him on Tuesday 11/6......I wasn't sure what I'd done. I hoped it was "him"....but I didn't get ahead of myself. When I realized it was him.....yeah....I felt something.....remorse.....but just a twinge. We had a relationship, he and I. It was bittersweet. He wasn't "out there" anymore. Pride and accomplishment ....yes! Pleasure in the fact that he was dead, and I killed him? Pleasur ein killing him? We're splitting hairs.;) What I'm calling pride in accomplishment.....you're calling taking pleasure in killing your intended target. Alike? Surely. God Bless, PT....and take care this week. Live vicariously through all these killers. Your time is coming!:) |
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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: RackLuster the actual kill, putting down a deer, is the worst part about hunting for me. it's every other aspect of hunting that i enjoy. |
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See the rest of my edit prior to your post.;)
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT let's nbot confuse what I am saying here .... which is prolly my fault ...... when you kill the intended target ....did you take pleasure in the act ...yes or no? When you killed "the bull", did you take pleasure in it? I suppose you could say I took pleasure in the act of the culmination of the successful hunt, but not any more than on some hunts where I didn't kill something. Speaking of the bull.....that's a good story to discuss this. I saw him last year for the first time on Friday 11/2. He walked by in the darkness and stood not 5 yds from my tree I was in. The moon was bright and I grinned ear to ear as I looked at him through my binos. That was a GREAT hunt. I saw him again, Saturday morning 11/3....and I "almost" had him, then (9 yds, quartering to.....but no shot opportunity). GREAT hunt! When I killed him on Tuesday 11/6......I wasn't sure what I'd done. I hoped it was "him"....but I didn't get ahead of myself. When I realized it was him.....yeah....I felt something.....remorse.....but just a twinge. We had a relationship, he and I. It was bittersweet. He wasn't "out there" anymore. Pride and accomplishment ....yes! Pleasure in the fact that he was dead, and I killed him? Pleasur ein killing him? We're splitting hairs.;) What I'm calling pride in accomplishment.....you're calling taking pleasure in killing your intended target. Alike? Surely. God Bless, PT....and take care this week. Live vicariously through all these killers. Your time is coming!:) |
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