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ORIGINAL: GMMAT "Kill the intended target" I can buy that.;) BTW....if you're here......carte' blanche permission to shoot whatever will make you happy. |
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Get change for a fifty.....all in ones.....and ask the wife and the big guy for a one-night hall pass.;)
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Get change for a fifty.....all in ones.....and ask the wife and the big guy for a one-night hall pass.;) Ok .....You are bringing up memories now ......now I gotta go to my song ..... Jesus Loves Me this I know, for the Bible tells me so ...... |
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It all breaks down to back when we were hunter-gatherers. It's so deep in our genes all true humans (especially the male of the species) will always enjoy. The subconscious it telling us we done good to provide food for the tribe. I personally don't care about the hole size (even though many are brought up to believe size does count) as long as the broadhead will do enough damage on the way through to put the animal down in quickly. As far as shooting other critters that I do not intend to eat, I refrain from it unless that animal is going to damage my property (i.e. muskrats building dens in the pond dam, groundhogs burrowing in under the house, etc).
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ORIGINAL: RackLuster I don't admit it. [:-] I've used rage broadheads the last two years and i am not impressed. yes, they make a huge entrance hole but it does you no good when the deer is hit high and there's no exit hole. I much prefer a broadhead that will blast through the bone (and come out the other side). It happened to me last night. i hit a doe high in the shoulder with muzzy 2 blade. not a good shot, but my penetration was absolutely, flat out terrible. I've had muzzy's blow through shoulders at 170 fps, now i shoot 270 fps and I can't? When that deer was running away I thought the arrow was going to fall out, that's how little of it penetrated. i'm going back to muzzy. I had a hard time recovering 2 of the 3 deer i've shot with rage. I've shot a deer in the shoulder with a Muzzy shooting 300fps and got 2" of penetration. Why? Because I hit the"knuckle" of the shoulder. I blame myself for the shot, NOT THE BH! Understand a 1" difference in shot placement in the shoulder "area" can be the difference in a passthrough and no penetration. EVERY SHOULDER SHOT IS DIFFERENT! |
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ORIGINAL: AF Hunter I personally don't care about the hole size (even though many are brought up to believe size does count) Size doesn't count for those that don't have a choice in the matter [:-].......I'm sorry, bro :D[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: AF Hunter I personally don't care about the hole size (even though many are brought up to believe size does count) Size doesn't count for those that don't have a choice in the matter [:-].......I'm sorry, bro :D[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: AF Hunter ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: AF Hunter I personally don't care about the hole size (even though many are brought up to believe size does count) Size doesn't count for those that don't have a choice in the matter [:-].......I'm sorry, bro :D[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: AF Hunter ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: AF Hunter I personally don't care about the hole size (even though many are brought up to believe size does count) Size doesn't count for those that don't have a choice in the matter [:-].......I'm sorry, bro :D[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: AF Hunter ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: AF Hunter I personally don't care about the hole size (even though many are brought up to believe size does count) Size doesn't count for those that don't have a choice in the matter [:-].......I'm sorry, bro :D[8D] |
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ORIGINAL: AF Hunter ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: AF Hunter ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: AF Hunter I personally don't care about the hole size (even though many are brought up to believe size does count) Size doesn't count for those that don't have a choice in the matter [:-].......I'm sorry, bro :D[8D] You promised you'd never tell ....[&o] |
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For some reason PT asked me on my thoughts about this thread? Now personally I have not ever made a kill on anything bigger than a squrril. And I really dont know what to think other than PT is getting impatient waiting for the 18th to roll around. As for the rage? Just to stir up some discussion mabey?
I think this post might be a concern of rule #6: 6. Please do not post anything that could be used by "anti-hunting" groups to support their cause. Remember, it is easy to take comments out of context. Keep this in mind as you post, since anti-hunting groups may visit this site in search of ammunition for their cause. Its like that famous guy that said its not the prize at the end its how you got there. |
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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 For some reason PT asked me on my thoughts about this thread? Now personally I have not ever made a kill on anything bigger than a squrril. And I really dont know what to think other than PT is getting impatient waiting for the 18th to roll around. As for the rage? Just to stir up some discussion mabey? I think this post might be a concern of rule #6: 6. Please do not post anything that could be used by "anti-hunting" groups to support their cause. Remember, it is easy to take comments out of context. Keep this in mind as you post, since anti-hunting groups may visit this site in search of ammunition for their cause. Its like that famous guy that said its not the prize at the end its how you got there. |
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ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 For some reason PT asked me on my thoughts about this thread? Now personally I have not ever made a kill on anything bigger than a squrril. And I really dont know what to think other than PT is getting impatient waiting for the 18th to roll around. As for the rage? Just to stir up some discussion mabey? I think this post might be a concern of rule #6: 6. Please do not post anything that could be used by "anti-hunting" groups to support their cause. Remember, it is easy to take comments out of context. Keep this in mind as you post, since anti-hunting groups may visit this site in search of ammunition for their cause. Its like that famous guy that said its not the prize at the end its how you got there. |
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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 For some reason PT asked me on my thoughts about this thread? Now personally I have not ever made a kill on anything bigger than a squrril. And I really dont know what to think other than PT is getting impatient waiting for the 18th to roll around. As for the rage? Just to stir up some discussion mabey? I think this post might be a concern of rule #6: 6. Please do not post anything that could be used by "anti-hunting" groups to support their cause. Remember, it is easy to take comments out of context. Keep this in mind as you post, since anti-hunting groups may visit this site in search of ammunition for their cause. Its like that famous guy that said its not the prize at the end its how you got there.  |
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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 For some reason PT asked me on my thoughts about this thread? Now personally I have not ever made a kill on anything bigger than a squrril. And I really dont know what to think other than PT is getting impatient waiting for the 18th to roll around. As for the rage? Just to stir up some discussion mabey? I think this post might be a concern of rule #6: 6. Please do not post anything that could be used by "anti-hunting" groups to support their cause. Remember, it is easy to take comments out of context. Keep this in mind as you post, since anti-hunting groups may visit this site in search of ammunition for their cause. Its like that famous guy that said its not the prize at the end its how you got there.  |
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BT360,
You are starting to remind me of an old poster, Jim(with a few numbers after his name), he was a young kid like you[&:] Posting a pic of a private message? That is one of THEE biggest ways, IMO, to lose respect. I would never to that. PM=PRIVATE MESSAGE. You just need to read, and learn. You are trying TOO hard to "FIT IN". Just go with the flow. RELAX. |
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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 .
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Bowtech 360, even if I did have any respect for you before this thread (not that I did), all traces of it would be gone now.
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Jim ... if you are going to give a story ....give it all ...... you are alienating yourself from everyone on here ... I told you that I was trying to get you involved in a conversation about a subkject I am curious about ... I told you I am trying to help you with your image....whatever Jim ....
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Jim ... if you are going to give a story ....give it all ...... you are alienating yourself from everyone on here ... I told you that I was trying to get you involved in a conversation about a subkject I am curious about ... I told you I am trying to help you with your image....whatever Jim ....
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Jim ... if you are going to give a story ....give it all ...... you are alienating yourself from everyone on here ... I told you that I was trying to get you involved in a conversation about a subkject I am curious about ... I told you I am trying to help you with your image....whatever Jim ....
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There's nothing wrong with your post Bowtech 360. You have a right to post your opinion just like anybody else.
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Christine, not that you need permission ... you don't, but feel free to delete the whole thing ........ I have no problem with that ..... I find it interesting how the topic of "the kill" is on the borderline of acceptability, however .... now my original POSTS may have been, but we cleared that up rather quickly ....but the topic???
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Christine, not that you need permission ... you don't, but feel free to delete the whole thing ........ I have no problem with that ..... I find it interesting how the topic of "the kill" is on the borderline of acceptability, however .... now my original POSTS may have been, but we cleared that up rather quickly ....but the topic??? Just curious. I have no dog in the fight. I enjoy the kill just as much as the hunt when I'm bowhunting.I've always looked atit this way....if you arent out to kill, why bring a weapon along? |
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I'm thinking the "size" of the kill might be the forbidden content.;)
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ORIGINAL: bawanajim ORIGINAL: PreacherTony Jim ... if you are going to give a story ....give it all ...... you are alienating yourself from everyone on here ... I told you that I was trying to get you involved in a conversation about a subkject I am curious about ... I told you I am trying to help you with your image....whatever Jim ....
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Rackluster.... NO HEAD is gonna go through hard bone.....other than a rib bone. Not one of them. THAT was my point. |
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Killing isn't the problem.It's the 'I hunt so I can kill stuff', 'I need to kill something' or the 'I hunt to kill not kill to hunt' attitude that is borderline.
The followingis from an anti-hunting website, it is how they try to portray us. Do you guys agree with it? Hunters are killers, plain and simple. Let us not mince words. Hunters try to justify their violent pastime, but whatever they say to the contrary, hunting is the premeditated, cold-blooded killing of innocent animals. The object of the hunt is to kill animals. Hunters argue that it is not just about killing. They claim that the camaraderie, nature appreciation, exercise, nature education, and so-called conservation benefits are just as important a part of the hunt as the actual killing or attempted killing of the target animal. It is ludicrous to believe that someone who actively sets out to kill a healthy animal for fun, trophy or profit really cares about wild animals specifically or nature in general. If you just wanted 'to kill stuff' get a job a dog pound, slaughter house or buy a barn full of chickens... but don't taint the hunt for those of us who believe it's about more than just killing. |
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ORIGINAL: HNI_Christine Killing isn't the problem.It's the 'I hunt so I can kill stuff', 'I need to kill something' or the 'I hunt to kill not kill to hunt' attitude that is borderline. The followingis from an anti-hunting website, it is how they try to portray us. Do you guys agree with it? Hunters are killers, plain and simple. Let us not mince words. Hunters try to justify their violent pastime, but whatever they say to the contrary, hunting is the premeditated, cold-blooded killing of innocent animals. The object of the hunt is to kill animals. Hunters argue that it is not just about killing. They claim that the camaraderie, nature appreciation, exercise, nature education, and so-called conservation benefits are just as important a part of the hunt as the actual killing or attempted killing of the target animal. It is ludicrous to believe that someone who actively sets out to kill a healthy animal for fun, trophy or profit really cares about wild animals specifically or nature in general. If you just wanted 'to kill stuff' get a job a dog pound, slaughter house or buy a barn full of chickens... but don't taint the hunt for those of us who believe it's about more than just killing. |
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ORIGINAL: HNI_Christine If you just wanted 'to kill stuff' get a job a dog pound, slaughter house or buy a barn full of chickens... but don't taint the hunt for those of us who believe it's about more than just killing. I love EVERYTHING to do with what it takes, or what is involved with hunting ....but the purpose remains the same .... |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: HNI_Christine If you just wanted 'to kill stuff' get a job a dog pound, slaughter house or buy a barn full of chickens... but don't taint the hunt for those of us who believe it's about more than just killing. I love EVERYTHING to do with what it takes, or what is involved with hunting ....but the purpose remains the same .... |
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ORIGINAL: Rob/PA Bowyer ORIGINAL: HNI_Christine but don't taint the hunt for those of us who believe it's about more than just killing. Im not going to tiptoe around the subject, anyone with a brain realizes hunters kill animals. To say we hunt to kill animals, well DUH! Sure you can enjoy the actual hunt, friends, family, and everything else wonderful about hunting...but hunters set out with a goal of killing an animal, which is why we tote a weapon instead of a lense. I agree it isnt all about the kill, not even close,but to say it has nothing to do with the kill or that the topic of killing is unacceptable is a stretch just the same as saying hunting is only about killing. I dont disagree with your point of hunting being about more than killing, but you also cant disagree that hunting involves killing as its goal. If anyone can provide an answer to my question in bold, I'd appreciate it. Im havin trouble seeing how people dont think hunting is about killing, in some part. |
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ORIGINAL: Bowtech 360 ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: HNI_Christine If you just wanted 'to kill stuff' get a job a dog pound, slaughter house or buy a barn full of chickens... but don't taint the hunt for those of us who believe it's about more than just killing. I love EVERYTHING to do with what it takes, or what is involved with hunting ....but the purpose remains the same .... |
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Yup, just re-read that and its false for this senerio. The oppisite would be true acually. The means justifies the end. This is what people belive if they dont think they hunt for the kill.
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I know that there is a high percentage of people each year that buy a tag and go out in the woods just to "kill" something. Some even leave the freshly killed carcass because they don't want it, they just wanted to "kill" something. They saw off the antlers for a trophy and leave the rest. This is what gives true hunters a bad name. I set out each time in the woods not to "kill" something, but to "harvest" it. Like you would harvest corn, or oats, or any crop. Hunting was originally a means to obtain food. For some that is still the mainobjective, unfortunately, for others their direction has derailed and their psychological dysfunctions have overtaken to the point where killing something is their main objective not the harvest of meat, the experience of the outdoors, or the respect for nature. Now I do not mean to offend or scold anyone for their actions, intentions, or individual feelings...but I feel that when we use the word "kill" it implies (although not always intended) that we are homicidal and angry individuals. Personally, and again I mean to offend no one this is just my opinion, I think we should all adopt the term "harvest" instead of "kill" for hunting animals. So I guess the question is where does your enjoyment come from...the fact that you just succeeded in a hard endeavor to harvest an animal and you are proud of your accomplishments and relished the experience...or the fact that a living animal is now dead and that is what you take satisfaction in, the fact that you are "better" than that animals and you are so macho for killing it that you're going to hoot, holler, scream, and dance around to show it that you are so great????????
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ORIGINAL: PatrickMc I know that there is a high percentage of people each year that buy a tag and go out in the woods just to "kill" something. Some even leave the freshly killed carcass because they don't want it, they just wanted to "kill" something. They saw off the antlers for a trophy and leave the rest. This is what gives true hunters a bad name. I set out each time in the woods not to "kill" something, but to "harvest" it. Like you would harvest corn, or oats, or any crop. Hunting was originally a means to obtain food. For some that is still the mainobjective, unfortunately, for others their direction has derailed and their psychological dysfunctions have overtaken to the point where killing something is their main objective not the harvest of meat, the experience of the outdoors, or the respect for nature. Now I do not mean to offend or scold anyone for their actions, intentions, or individual feelings...but I feel that when we use the word "kill" it implies (although not always intended) that we are homicidal and angry individuals. Personally, and again I mean to offend no one this is just my opinion, I think we should all adopt the term "harvest" instead of "kill" for hunting animals. So I guess the question is where does your enjoyment come from...the fact that you just succeeded in a hard endeavor to harvest an animal and you are proud of your accomplishments and relished the experience...or the fact that a living animal is now dead and that is what you take satisfaction in, the fact that you are "better" than that animals and you are so macho for killing it that you're going to hoot, holler, scream, and dance around to show it that you are so great???????? Again, just my thoughts feel free to disagree |
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I personally don't believe there is one of us on here that do not get pumped when the arrow strikes the intended target whether it be a bulls-eye or a deer. Part of the enjoyment people get out of hunting is that adrenaline rush. If you don't feel that rush, why not just mail order your venison on line?Those who deny that they enjoy the taking of a deer are either being untruthful with us or themselves.
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Tony, I think you and I are on the same page here. You take an animal to eat it, as do it. You don't do it maliciously, nor do I. I don't have a problem with taking the life of an animal in order to eat it. My beef is with the people who kill an animal for the sake of killing something and then try to pass themselves off as hunters. I consider myself a hunter, as I consider you a fellow hunter. I believe that you hunt for the meat and the gratification of the experience. Taking pride in an accomplishment of what was taken is just a bonus, I don't mean that you can't celebrate or enjoy your successes. I know in all actuality we do kill every animal we take, but I just think that us real hunters kill an animal to harvest the meat, not just kill to kill.
I have read a lot of your posts Tony and I think you have a lot of good insight, I don't mean to offend you in any way. As for the politically correct thing...working for government will do that to you. lol. |
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