How do you define "effective range?"
09-10-2008, 03:20 PM
#31
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Flushing Michigan
Posts: 2,355
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA
Interesting way to look at it
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
09-10-2008, 03:25 PM
#32
Typical Buck
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Becker County, MN
Posts: 550
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Cooter,
Would you take the bet I mentioned above, since your effective range is 30 yards?
ORIGINAL: cooter144
To me "effective range" is the range that I am VERY confident in making a good clean killing shot on an animial.
Currently I would say my effective range is 30 yards even though I have killed a couple at longer distances.
To me "effective range" is the range that I am VERY confident in making a good clean killing shot on an animial.
Currently I would say my effective range is 30 yards even though I have killed a couple at longer distances.
Would you take the bet I mentioned above, since your effective range is 30 yards?
I will tell you that I have taken 30+ animals at ranges from 10-35 yards and have only lost one (hit the shoulder blade on a twenty yard shot where the deer was on a slow walk).
Nobody is perfect and a bad shot can happen at any range.
I could sit in a tree stand and shoot some pretty tight groups from thirty yards and the kill zone on a 3d target is pretty big...so hmm...maybe I would be willing to steal your $100.
09-10-2008, 03:27 PM
#33
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cogan Station, PA
Posts: 2,298
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
You really wouldn't take that bet even at 20 yards? Really all the bet is asking is whether or not you believe that you can hit your mark, under hunting conditions, 90% of the time or better.
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA
Interesting way to look at it
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
09-10-2008, 03:36 PM
#34
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Flushing Michigan
Posts: 2,355
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA
It's not so much about the fact of whether or not I can or can't hit it. I can hit the 2" Morrell dots pretty much everytime at 20yds. My comment was more about placing a monetary bet on the shot. Pressure like that can do a lot to people that don't handle it well. I doubt I would be pressured enough to miss a lung shot at that distance, but you never know. I'm not risking $1,000 over it, and that's the point
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
You really wouldn't take that bet even at 20 yards? Really all the bet is asking is whether or not you believe that you can hit your mark, under hunting conditions, 90% of the time or better.
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA
Interesting way to look at it
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
Personally I'd rather lose $1,000 on a bet than wound an animal. My maximum effective range is that maximum range that I'd be willing to accept this bet. For me, that's about 25 yards.
09-10-2008, 03:45 PM
#35
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 3,913
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Isn't there also alot of pressure when you're shooting at a live animal? To me, this bet is the best way to simulate a live hunting situation: one shot (no practice), from a treestand, with broadheads, at a 3d target, AND the added element of pressure. At least you know the target isn't doing to duck the string!
Personally I'd rather lose $1,000 on a bet than wound an animal. My maximum effective range is that maximum range that I'd be willing to accept this bet. For me, that's about 25 yards.
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA
It's not so much about the fact of whether or not I can or can't hit it. I can hit the 2" Morrell dots pretty much everytime at 20yds. My comment was more about placing a monetary bet on the shot. Pressure like that can do a lot to people that don't handle it well. I doubt I would be pressured enough to miss a lung shot at that distance, but you never know. I'm not risking $1,000 over it, and that's the point
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
You really wouldn't take that bet even at 20 yards? Really all the bet is asking is whether or not you believe that you can hit your mark, under hunting conditions, 90% of the time or better.
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA
Interesting way to look at it
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
Personally I'd rather lose $1,000 on a bet than wound an animal. My maximum effective range is that maximum range that I'd be willing to accept this bet. For me, that's about 25 yards.
I won't shoot past 30 in the best case scenario, most of my stands are set up for 20 yard and closer shots.
09-10-2008, 04:16 PM
#36
Giant Nontypical
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Posts: 7,208
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
09-10-2008, 04:34 PM
#37
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Posts: 3,465
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
I love that analogy, and wouldn't mind making a quick $100.
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
09-10-2008, 05:00 PM
#38
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cogan Station, PA
Posts: 2,298
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Isn't there also alot of pressure when you're shooting at a live animal? To me, this bet is the best way to simulate a live hunting situation: one shot (no practice), from a treestand, with broadheads, at a 3d target, AND the added element of pressure. At least you know the target isn't doing to duck the string!
Personally I'd rather lose $1,000 on a bet than wound an animal. My maximum effective range is that maximum range that I'd be willing to accept this bet. For me, that's about 25 yards.
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA
It's not so much about the fact of whether or not I can or can't hit it. I can hit the 2" Morrell dots pretty much everytime at 20yds. My comment was more about placing a monetary bet on the shot. Pressure like that can do a lot to people that don't handle it well. I doubt I would be pressured enough to miss a lung shot at that distance, but you never know. I'm not risking $1,000 over it, and that's the point
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
You really wouldn't take that bet even at 20 yards? Really all the bet is asking is whether or not you believe that you can hit your mark, under hunting conditions, 90% of the time or better.
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
ORIGINAL: MGH_PA
Interesting way to look at it
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Interesting way of putting it. I'm not even sure I would take that bet at 20yds (although I'm almost positive I could hit it). Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal, but your scenario (in my case) wouldn't be a true measurement of my effective range. I'm not a gambling man, or much of a risk taker for that matter
If you can't do that, I'd say that distance is beyond your effective range.
Personally I'd rather lose $1,000 on a bet than wound an animal. My maximum effective range is that maximum range that I'd be willing to accept this bet. For me, that's about 25 yards.
See my original post to you...
Not to say the risk of a monetary loss is greater than wounding a live animal
09-10-2008, 06:00 PM
#39
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Cogan Station, PA
Posts: 2,298
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
Just thought about it some more after shooting all these months...20yds, I think I would take the $1000 risk 30yds...who knows. So maybe 20 is truly my effective range
30yds...who knows. So maybe 20 is truly my effective range
09-10-2008, 06:22 PM
#40
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Southern MD
Posts: 2,520
RE: How do you define "effective range?"
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Isn't there also alot of pressure when you're shooting at a live animal? To me, this bet is the best way to simulate a live hunting situation: one shot (no practice), from a treestand, with broadheads, at a 3d target, AND the added element of pressure. At least you know the target isn't doing to duck the string!
Personally I'd rather lose $1,000 on a bet than wound an animal. My maximum effective range is that maximum range that I'd be willing to accept this bet. For me, that's about 25 yards.
ORIGINAL: gzg38b
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Get your hunting clothes on.
Screw on your broadeads.
Climb your treestand, and place a 3d target at 30 yards.
You get ONE arrow.
If you hitBOTH lungs I'll give you $100.
If you MISS the lungs, YOU give ME $1,000.
Would you take that bet? If not, 30 yards is beyond your "effective range".
Isn't there also alot of pressure when you're shooting at a live animal? To me, this bet is the best way to simulate a live hunting situation: one shot (no practice), from a treestand, with broadheads, at a 3d target, AND the added element of pressure. At least you know the target isn't doing to duck the string!
Personally I'd rather lose $1,000 on a bet than wound an animal. My maximum effective range is that maximum range that I'd be willing to accept this bet. For me, that's about 25 yards.
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