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First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
It's a neat looking stand.....and it's light.
Man, though.....what's with all the moving parts and tightening and loosening of straps? I'm sure I'll get a "system" down....but it's gonna take a while. LOVE being able to shoot sitting down. Big "plus". I ordered the saddlebag (LW) with it....and attached it to the rail on the left side (if you're sitting in the seat). I can keep the bungee (WHY does that thing come loose from the platform?????[:@]) in the bag....along with my tether, haullineand a bow hook. Ordered the GWW backstraps, today....so I'm not even gonna put the LW straps on it. |
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Do you still have to guess when you attach it to the tree?
You missed the boat! Should have gotten an Equalizer.;) |
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Doesn't the saddlebag/wolf pack come with the back straps??? I was wondering how this pack was, is it worth the $99.00?
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what's with all the moving parts and tightening and loosening of straps? Oh BTW, you dont exactly have to guess when attaching to the tree, once you use it enough you'll find a quick and safe way to adjust it;) Don't worry, after a few uses you'll find your groove with this stand. |
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No, no.....I didn't order the wolfpack. I just ordered the 12"x12" saddlebag.
The backstraps .....were ordered from Grey Wolf Woolens. They look pretty cool....and pretty comfortable. I won't even put those straps that came with it on....lol. Thats and expensive stand. I think I payed $180 for my aluminum Summit, and its got alot less "things going on" on it. When you take this seat and attach it to the tree.....and remember that summit.....well.....there's a HUGE difference.;) Looking forward to getting my groove....lol. It's a really cool stand. Can I climb "quieter" with this stand (as others have advertised? Honestly??? I don't see how. Louder?? Nope. I just wanna be fair to both brands. |
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You'll get it down. I have the hand climber and can set it up without any noise in a couple of minutes. For a climber I won't use anything else but a LW!
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Hopefully it's worth the money Jeff. good luck!
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ORIGINAL: DropTine249 Thats and expensive stand. I think I payed $180 for my aluminum Summit, and its got alot less "things going on" on it. Nice stand, none-the-less....Hope you stick a pig from it. |
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Here's the thing I don't understand.....
"Junk"?? I've owned a summit lock on and a LW lock on. Don't make me pick (between them) which one was closer to being "junk". The summit won't win that battle. Summits are comfortable. They are great stands. Nothing bad to say about them.....at all. But to say the LW product line is "junk"......come on:eek: |
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[quoteCan I climb "quieter" with this stand ][/quote]
You will not find a quieter climbing stand. No creaking, no clanging those loud noisey coated cables inside of a hollow tube, lol. You'll find if you wan't to sneak in and sneak up a tree while being very quiet, you can. |
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I hope you're right HBA.....but I'm being honest when I say....i could climb VERY quietly with the summit (can't be more UNbiased than me, now.....as I own both). The cables are coated...and once you have your "system" down (I know...I know..;)) it was pretty easy.
I'm sure it'll get that way with this one, soon enough. I'm gonna climb some, in the morning. |
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Glad you like it Jeff. I hated that I had to take mine back, but after trying for two straight days I found that I'm just too tallto climb with it because of it's close to the tree profile.
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The cables are coated...and once you have your "system" down (I know...I know..;)) it was pretty easy |
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I have a Summit and a Olde man, the OM is much quieter climbing. BTW a LW I will have in a few days....
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GMMAT, they are cast aluminum correct?
I am a Corporate Process/Tooling Engineer for a fairly large Aluminum die caster...upon my review(which would be majorly heightened than the average joe)of the quality I was shocked!!! These are finished insome form of a powder coat, which gives it a nice finish....BUT....the flash (no noto 90% of out customers, 100% if there is ANY and I mean any cosmetic or handling requirement) off of the ejector pins and parting line was still present, the gate and overflow vestige was rediculous as was trim shear....there was also RAW aluminum showing = huge customer reject problem if caught to 99.9% of products....the defects ARE visual to the average joe and that is my complaint!!! Does that help with my JUNK comment???? |
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Does that help with my JUNK comment????
No not me??  |
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the defects ARE visual to the average joe |
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ORIGINAL: hillbilly archer the defects ARE visual to the average joe |
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ORIGINAL: Sportsfann Does that help with my JUNK comment???? No not me??
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ORIGINAL: Carpmaster GMMAT, they are cast aluminum correct? I am a Corporate Process/Tooling Engineer for a fairly large Aluminum die caster...upon my review(which would be majorly heightened than the average joe)of the quality I was shocked!!! These are finished insome form of a powder coat, which gives it a nice finish....BUT....the flash (no noto 90% of out customers, 100% if there is ANY and I mean any cosmetic or handling requirement) off of the ejector pins and parting line was still present, the gate and overflow vestige was rediculous as was trim shear....there was also RAW aluminum showing = huge customer reject problem if caught to 99.9% of products....the defects ARE visual to the average joe and that is my complaint!!! Does that help with my JUNK comment???? |
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....what does it offer for an extra hundred that summit don't??? I understand that not everyone like the same stands, and I don't hate summits, They are good stands and will serve the average hunter well. But to me my LW is great, I couldn't ask more out of a stand. I just can't comprehind someone saying they are junk. Lets use your cavalier/cadillac analogy. It would be like someone in a cavalier telling me my cadillac is junk, lol. (BTW, I don't have a cadillac. In fact I drive a crappier vehicle than 99% of the people here I bet) |
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ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: Carpmaster GMMAT, they are cast aluminum correct? I am a Corporate Process/Tooling Engineer for a fairly large Aluminum die caster...upon my review(which would be majorly heightened than the average joe)of the quality I was shocked!!! These are finished insome form of a powder coat, which gives it a nice finish....BUT....the flash (no noto 90% of out customers, 100% if there is ANY and I mean any cosmetic or handling requirement) off of the ejector pins and parting line was still present, the gate and overflow vestige was rediculous as was trim shear....there was also RAW aluminum showing = huge customer reject problem if caught to 99.9% of products....the defects ARE visual to the average joe and that is my complaint!!! Does that help with my JUNK comment???? |
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If you mean the paint peels off easily.....I'm OK with that. It's gonna happen sooner or later, anyways.
Not a biggie, honestly. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT If you mean the paint peels off easily.....I'm OK with that. It's gonna happen sooner or later, anyways. Not a biggie, honestly. |
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No I mean for the $$$ from a big name you should get what you pay for, their platformas are the best design out there...period....cast is awesome for a stand but I was let down with overall quality...I am done sharing my opinion now...... Why is it the only ones complaining (most times) are the ones whoDIDN'T spend the money....and the ones who DID arent complaining? |
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I am sure I would like it, but my first impression was bad and like I said I may be more nitpicky than the next guy on a cast anything....my buddy that hunts from one likes his older model but says it isnt very comfy but maybe the new one will be!!! Sorry to be such a stick in the mud.... they are quiet, sturdy and have well thought about designs......just less than expected quality.....
Also my real name isn't negative nancy!!!:D;)[8D] |
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Nice concept, kindof busy IMO but for the money you should get better quality....what does it offer for an extra hundred that summit don't??? You know I was a long-time Summit user, and still am. I'vehunted out ofDeer Decks, Deer Deck Lites, Copperheads, Openshots, Cobras, Vipers... you name it and I've pretty much used it. In addition to the Lone Wolf Alpha Hang On I picked up from you afew yeas ago, Ibought a brand-newLW Alpha Hand Climber at the very beginning of the season last year, so I've got a full year under my belt with it now and can make some very honest and complete assessments, as well as comparisons between the two company's products. Hunting Ed and others have done a great job in helping you out, but thought you may be interested in the thoughts from a near-15 year Summit user's experience with the Lone Wolf. There's simply no comparison in the LW's portability and packability. It's almost enough to make a smile spread across your face when you go from carrying a Summit to experiencing the slim profile of the LW. I've had platforms on my Summits develop creaks. Summit's customer service for its end users is extraordinary, and stories of how customers are sent new stands with no questions asked are common-place and almost ordinary on bowhunting forums; however, that's of little consequence when you're a quarter-mile deep in the woods at 6:45 a.m. on November 3 and you first notice it. Brushing up against a treewhen packing a Summit in yields a decidely "tink-ish" sound moreso than the solid cast aluminum on the LW due to the hollow tubing; likewise, hiting the platform with your bow cam or hoist rope-ends or any number of equpment does the same. The main reason I started using LW? Attaching the stand to the tree. The cam-lock system in conjunction to the pliable traction belts took silent to the level I needed as a hardcore bowhunter. Invariably, at least once every 15-20 stand sets with the Summit, I'd have a cable stop slam against the inside of the tube arm that housed and retained the excess cables as I either adjusted their length or freed the cable to wrap around the tree. As mentioned earlier, if you utilize the straps that secure the top platform to the bottom, the LW is absolutely ROCK solid -- even moreso than the Summit. I used to tout my Summits as rock solid, and they're MORE than adequate, but that was before I bought my LW. It's also far easier to adjust the angle of the stand from hunting heightshould you happen to guess wrong on the "angle of attack" when looking at the taper of the tree from the ground when you first start out. With my Summits, it was just easier to climb down to make the adjustment and then climb back up. Last year, due in large part to the safety of those retention straps, I was able to make those adjustments quickly and easily while I was still at 23 feet or whatever height I had ascended to. I had the Rapid Stirrups on my Summits, and the LWs are JUST as quick and easy to use. In fact, it utilizes a very similar principle in that you just wedge your boots in much like the stirrups. You'll have to look at the comfort issue on your own; for one, I don't have the sit n' climb, and it has a totally different seat system. I can tell you that I've sat in mine for close to four hours at a time many times without undue pain; but I do stand and stretch several times during that duration. Undoubtedly, the Summit wins hands-down in the comfort department. - Me |
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ORIGINAL: Carpmaster GMMAT, they are cast aluminum correct? I am a Corporate Process/Tooling Engineer for a fairly large Aluminum die caster...upon my review(which would be majorly heightened than the average joe)of the quality I was shocked!!! These are finished insome form of a powder coat, which gives it a nice finish....BUT....the flash (no noto 90% of out customers, 100% if there is ANY and I mean any cosmetic or handling requirement) off of the ejector pins and parting line was still present, the gate and overflow vestige was rediculous as was trim shear....there was also RAW aluminum showing = huge customer reject problem if caught to 99.9% of products....the defects ARE visual to the average joe and that is my complaint!!! Does that help with my JUNK comment???? |
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Ordered the GWW backstraps, today....so I'm not even gonna put the LW straps on it. |
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They look like nice stands
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I was thinking about you today, Greg. At 1:06PM, today.....I instantly became a more hardcore deer hunter.:)
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I wish the best fore you Jeff, good luck, I hope you like it, I had a LoneWolf.
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I was at Bass Pro today looking at the LW sit and climb. I have been wanting a new climber but think I will wait and see how it goes with jeff. It doesn't sound like he is thrilled with it from his initial post to me. Let me know how it goes tomorrow if you would jeff. Chris
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Thats what i was thinking too....i looked and laughed at their hang on today, 180 bucks and absolute junk quality....the employees must have ZERO pride in their work or it isn't made in the USA which i didnt look to see..... while the Lone Wolf suffered in the seating area for years in comparison(don't know about the new seat). Personally I want more than a comfy seat. I prefer a safe design along with quiet and packability. I also much prefer the traction belts with the locking cams over knobs on a cable. The cable designs used on most modern stands are stiff........thats another reason I love the flexible traction belts........less chance for slipping down a tree. Though its not recommended by any tree stand manufacturer to climb wet trees, its readily apparent the design and quality of those belts/cam design should make it much safer to do so if the user is so inclined. My 2 cents. |
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Chris:
You bet. I promise I'll give you an honest assessment. You know me....lol. The fact that I spent a lot of money on it won't stop me from admittingI made a mistake;)(if, indeed, I did). Right now.....honestly....I think its gonna be fine. (that's likely an understatement) Is it the "holy grail" of treestands? Nah. I'm thinking of little things to make it "better"....and I'm having good luck. I can't express how helpful I think that saddlebag is gonna be. It was worth $15 extra bucks. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Chris: You bet. I promise I'll give you an honest assessment. You know me....lol. The fact that I spent a lot of money on it won't stop me from admittingI made a mistake;)(if, indeed, I did). Right now.....honestly....I think its gonna be fine. (that's likely an understatement) Is it the "holy grail" of treestands? Nah. I'm thinking of little things to make it "better"....and I'm having good luck. I can't express how helpful I think that saddlebag is gonna be. It was worth $15 extra bucks. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Is it the "holy grail" of treestands? Nah. |
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Think about everything everyone (who has spent the big money) says about this stand. EI....that's part of the problem, most times. The guy who spent a lot of money is sometimes (;)) needing to justify his expenditure. Not too many guys out there who saved up for years to buy a BMW that are gonna tell you they screwed up with their purchase. I'll give this thing a fair assessment.....but the holy grail.....it is not. |
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