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RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
If it is used RIGHT, then anyone should be able to use it, woman, child, strong or weak. No sense it making it harder than it is.
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RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
Hillbilly....
If it's used RIGHT.....it'll take 20 minutes to get to the desired height. I'm giving a real-life review of what I think of this stand......not a one-sided "All hail LW" endorsement. If I use the sit and climb bar every time (of course I'll use it......some).....this stand becomes VERY "marginal". I'm trying to maximize the advantageous aspects. Used RIGHT....the increments in which one could ascend would be very small. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: GMMAT Hillbilly.... If it's used RIGHT.....it'll take 20 minutes to get to the desired height. I'm giving a real-life review of what I think of this stand......not a one-sided "All hail LW" endorsement. If I use the sit and climb bar every time (of course I'll use it......some).....this stand becomes VERY "marginal". I'm trying to maximize the advantageous aspects. Used RIGHT....the increments in which one could ascend would be very small. Now if were talking setup up in there also, then yes it takes me 15-20 mins |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
I have not read all nine pages so forgive me if I echo what has already been said, but I have used this stand for three seasons now I have never owned a better climbing stand. I am 6'1 240 lbs. and I use the sit and climb method everytime I hunt. I usually hunt 18-25 feet off the ground and sure in the heck doesn't take me 20 min. to get where I want to be. The stand is light, quiet, and VERY easy to use. I have owned climbing stands made by Summit, API and Ol' Man. The LW is light years ahead of any of them as far as being the best all around climber out there in my eyes. Not an endorsement, just facts from someone who spends a lot of time hunting and has used several different climbers.
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RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
You guys are wanting pick apart EVERY statement that doesn't paint this thing in the perfect light.
OK...let's make it easier. Can you climb faster.....using it as a hand climber....or using it as a sit and climb? However long it takes.....(______) minutes.....you're adding those minutes by using the bar and by limiting yourself to the short bites/increments. Holy ****ing **** you guys are sensitive......lol. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
Jeff exactly what is it about the Sit and Climb bar that makes it slower to climb with?
Maybe I just didn't see it in there, but I'm seriously not picturing how the increments that you go up the tree would be any different than with say a Summit with the straight bar? You should have "X" number of feet or amount of distance between your butt and yourtoes for each pull of the platform regardless of where your butt is located to start with right? You're still reaching down the same amount wether your straight out or suspended a bit with the upper a bit above your hips? I'm honestly a little confused why it would be harder/slower? |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
If you SIT and climb......you have the distance from how far you can raise your knees from your sitting position. That's ALL you have.
Do we agree on that? You should have "X" number of feet or amount of distance between your butt and yourtoes for each pull of the platform regardless of where your butt is located to start with right? Now....as a hand climber (which is how I utlilize the summit, too)....I can raise the upper (seat portion of the climber) up to about shoulder height. I can then push up with my feet and push up with my arms. I can get a LOT more from each "increment", this way. I hope I described that clearly. As far as the increments between the straight summit bar and the LW bar......kind of a non-issue. I don't use either of them as they're designed. Too much work....and too slow. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: GMMAT Holy ****ing **** you guys are sensitive......lol. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
Ok gotcha.......I thought you were using the Summit as a Sit to climb as well and were comparing apples to apples.
Why the heck didn't you just buy a Summit Cobra or the Hand climber LW??:D |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA Ok gotcha.......I thought you were using the Summit as a Sit to climb as well and were comparing apples to apples. Why the heck didn't you just buy a Summit Cobra or the Hand climber LW??:D He had to prove to eveyone that he wouldn't like it!!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:Dlol |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
Honestly Matt......Didn't know how the darned thing worked.....(just being honest). I wanted to give the LW a fair shake, too....and I AM. I really think I'm gonna like it. I'm not "down" on this stand, at all. Just giving real-life reports on what I'm encountering along the way.
I fully expect this to be my "go-to" stand in a lot of instances, this fall. LOVE the rail on the summit....because I can sleep from 4:30AM to 6:00 and not worry about falling out of the tree. Probably won't use the LW in the mornings, very often. We'll see.;) |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
I disagree with elitist. Nobody on this site except perhaps someone who might be affiliated with Lone Wolf is more postive about their stands than me. As much as I love their climbers, I have voiced my opinions before on things I would like to be changed on the design.
For example I wish the back brace was not straight from side to side. I'd rather it be angled or bent toward the front of the stand to allow the user the ability to take more of an angle while raising the platform. That would help greatly in taking longer advances up the tree when first starting climbing, which I sometimes find a little difficult because of that straight across back brace. Maybe Lone Wolf designed it that way though to keep users from taking long advances.......a safety hazard not recommended by any tree stand manufacturer. Its been mentioned hand climbing with the sitnclimb top may be sort of against the reason for owning the sitnclimb top. I admit to sometimes not resting my butt on the bar and using my forearms and elbows. I do believe its easier hand climbing with the sitnclimb top than using the actual hand climbing top. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
IT WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER STAND IF THE BAR THAT YOU SIT ON COULD BE LOCKED INTO PLACE OUT FRONT. THAT WAY YOU COULD SIT AND CLIMB ON IT AND NOT HAVE YOUR KNEES FORCED INTO THE TREE. THEN WHEN YOU GOT TO THE TOP YOU COULD LEAVE IT UP AS A SAFETY RAIL OR SWING OUT OF YOUR WAY LIKE YOU CAN NOW. IT JUST SUCKS SITTING ON THAT BAR AND GETTING FORCED INTO THE TREE AND IT ALSO LIMITS HOW FAST YOU CAN ASCEND OR DESCEND THE TREE.
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RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
It's REAL SIMPLE, use the stand the way it's intended to be used, and you'll be fine. If not, get a hand climbing stand. As far as it taking 15-20mins to get to hunting height, that's your inexperience that I menioned before. I'mNOT making fun of you either, just stating a simple fact. The review you're giving everyone is based on a beginner's view of the stand. You need to become proficient with it's useBEFORE you try to give a review of it.
You mentionnot being able to "take a little nap" with this stand, for fear of falling. If you've got your safety harness on, that shouldn't be an issue.You would have to be blind, and or hardheaded not to realize that everyone is saying the same greatthings about this stand. Jeff, I will say, you're the only person I know of who could turn a simple treestand thread into 10 pages of back and forth, wellwhatever.:D:D |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
If it's used RIGHT.....it'll take 20 minutes to get to the desired height. I'm giving a real-life review of what I think of this stand......not a one-sided "All hail LW" endorsement. If I use the sit and climb bar every time (of course I'll use it......some).....this stand becomes VERY "marginal". I'm trying to maximize the advantageous aspects. Used RIGHT....the increments in which one could ascend would be very small. 20 minutes? I could climb 60 feet in 20 minutes. I never said the stand is perfect for everyone and everyone will love it as much as I, but you are saying all this and you've had the stand what? 2 or 3 days? How many times have you climbed with it? Seriously? I wanna know. Did you really buy this stand or did you take the LW challenge where they will let you try out a stand for 2 days and return it and not pay anything? They do that you know. This is no longer as review of a LW climber to me anymore, it is simply a guy that is misusing a product and preaching about this and that wrong with it. I'm not against Summit or any other treestands. I still have my old summit climber, I have 5 or 6 hangons around that I use a little, I'm not a LW salesman or anything like that, I just hate to see a bad review of a stand that isn't even being used right by a guy that obviously wants to find somethingwrong with his LW. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: hillbilly archer If it's used RIGHT.....it'll take 20 minutes to get to the desired height. I'm giving a real-life review of what I think of this stand......not a one-sided "All hail LW" endorsement. If I use the sit and climb bar every time (of course I'll use it......some).....this stand becomes VERY "marginal". I'm trying to maximize the advantageous aspects. Used RIGHT....the increments in which one could ascend would be very small. 20 minutes? I could climb 60 feet in 20 minutes. I never said the stand is perfect for everyone and everyone will love it as much as I, but you are saying all this and you've had the stand what? 2 or 3 days? How many times have you climbed with it? Seriously? I wanna know. Did you really buy this stand or did you take the LW challenge where they will let you try out a stand for 2 days and return it and not pay anything? They do that you know. This is no longer as review of a LW climber to me anymore, it is simply a guy that is misusing a product and preaching about this and that wrong with it. I'm not against Summit or any other treestands. I still have my old summit climber, I have 5 or 6 hangons around that I use a little, I'm not a LW salesman or anything like that, I just hate to see a bad review of a stand that isn't even being used right by a guy that obviously wants to find somethingwrong with his LW. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
The actual climb only takes 5mins.I have this process down to a science, literally. But I've done it more than a few times.;) |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
I just took mine out and tried it as a hand climber, I was 1 min 37 seconds faster[8D]
Then again I am younger than Jeff[8D] |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: Germ I just took mine out and tried it as a hand climber, I was 1 min 37 seconds faster[8D] Then again I am younger than Jeff[8D] |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: Germ I just took mine out and tried it as a hand climber, I was 1 min 37 seconds faster[8D] Then again I am younger than Jeff[8D] |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: Germ I just took mine out and tried it as a hand climber, I was 1 min 37 seconds faster[8D] Then again I am younger than Jeff[8D] |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
That's ok, Ibought a sit n climb for a few reasons
Easier to climb and safer. No mattter what brand I might own those are the main two reaons why I wanta sit n climb. It never dawn on me to try to use a sit n climb like a hand climber until I read this thread. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
I can't help it, EI......
Do you realize how much of an ...Deleted by CalHunter... you come across as......when you try to berate me for being a beginner with this stand (whatever that means)......when you readily admit you don't tie off when you climb?????? ...Deleted by CalHunter...I could climb a LOT faster if I didn't love myself and my family! You have no credibility here. I wish you and your family luck. I hope you don't become a statistic. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
I never said this was a full on "review". I'm giving my impressions as I go along. Sue me.
I'm just not drinking the LW kool-aid. It's a really good stand. I mentioned a few PAGES ago that the 20 minutes was no magic number. My point was.....it's quicker to climb using the hand climber method than the REALLY archaic method with THAT bar on THAT stand. Again.....great stand....and I'll grow to probably love it. But the holy grail it is not.....for now. Hillbilly.....yeah....I'm lying. I didnt really buy one....lol:D I didn't order GWW straps for my imaginary stand, either. You got me! I'm outed!:D:eek: |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
You guys can say what you want but I don't use the sit and climb feature either. I use the climbing portion as a hand climber.
I bought this stand over the hand climber for the comfort factor. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
Buckeye and GMMAT
Going against the grain:D |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
Scott:
Do you reckonit has anyting to do with being over 5' tall [8D]:D |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Scott: Do you reckonit has anyting to do with being over 5' tall [8D]:D |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
Blow me, LMAO [:-] |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
Well, I'm gonna get out while I can, lol. The name calling has started and I'm gonna try not to get sucked into the mumbo jumbo any worse,
good luck GMMAT, I hope your stand works out for you in the end. Everyone have a safe and fun season.;) |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: hillbilly archer Well, I'm gonna get out while I can, lol. The name calling has started and I'm gonna try not to get sucked into the mumbo jumbo any worse, good luck GMMAT, I hope your stand works out for you in the end. Everyone have a safe and fun season.;) |
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Know one called anyone a name:D |
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Oh by the way.......I have the Hand Climber version of this stand.
The Sit and Climb is for Pansies. There I said it. :) |
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HB I WILL love this stand. I'm just telling what I'm finding out as I go. Not trying to step on anyone's toes.
Good luck to you this fall. too. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
I use the sit-and-climb as a hand climber as well. I can climb faster because I get bigger "bites"
I chose the sit & climb over the hand climber for the added safety of the climbing bar. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: GMMAT I can't help it, EI...... Do you realize how much of an ...Deleted by CalHunter... you come across as......when you try to berate me for being a beginner with this stand (whatever that means)......when you readily admit you don't tie off when you climb?????? Initially, I tried to give you pointers on how this stand should be used. But, like anyone who tries to tell you anything, you became rebellious with me. This is always your MO. Talking to you is like trying talking to a wall most of the time. It's a shame. I am done wasting my time with you on this subject. |
RE: First 30 minites with the LW sit and climb
ORIGINAL: Matt / PA Oh by the way.......I have the Hand Climber version of this stand. The Sit and Climb is for Pansies. There I said it. :) |
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EI....if you don't like this review....do your own, please. I promise I won't post on it. What does you not being tied off have to do with anything??? Are you serious? You're berating ME for not climbing like YOU do (although my way seems to be pretty popular, it seems[8D]) and you don't even climb, safely? I don't take handgun safety"pointers" from the guys playing Russian Roulette, either;) |
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