broadhead that flies like a field tip?
08-18-2008 | 10:49 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
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Don't take this as anything but corrective criticism......but if you were hitting 7" "off" from your FP's....and ALL you did was a sight adjustment.....
......the fact that you're hitting your target from ANY distance only tells me you've masked a serious tuning problem.
Like I originaly stated I`m hitting a little 2 inch bullseye at 70 yards with the fbh now,so I really hate to go messing with the bow at this point
......the fact that you're hitting your target from ANY distance only tells me you've masked a serious tuning problem.
You're nicer than I am, I'll go ahead and get it out.....
I DO NOT believe you went from hitting that poorly to that well at that distance. Furthermore, I've shot with some DAMN good archers, and I KNOW for a fact they don't shoot that well, even with FP's, so here's my take.....somebody ain't following his WWJD!!!!
08-18-2008 | 10:51 AM
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
hmmm...I would have to say iether the fp`s were not 100 grain (which is entirely possible due to the fact that I have so many laying around I may have had 85`s on there or something) or my theory of cutting more wind slows down the bh some more than others I`m sure.Again think of an extreme-the same weight bh 1 being 3/4 inch and one being 3 inch.I`m using 100 gr. NAP razorbak 1 -1/8 inch cd
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Let me ask you something......
Explain to me WHY they were hitting "differently" than your FP's....when everyone is telling you that it's impossible for that to occur WITHOUT a tuning issue being present (especially to that magnitude).
Let me ask you something......
Explain to me WHY they were hitting "differently" than your FP's....when everyone is telling you that it's impossible for that to occur WITHOUT a tuning issue being present (especially to that magnitude).
08-18-2008 | 10:53 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
Not a tuning expert by any means but sounds like that is your problem to me as well. I used to paper tune my bows and call it good. I ran into the same issues that you are having. My last bow shooting bullet holes at 5, 10 and 20 yards. Grouping FP's at 60 yards. Put a Slick Trick on, 8 inches left two inches low.
With some help from this site and some studying I switched tuning methods. Walk back tune and then broadhead tune. Since doing this I've not had problems getting ST's, Muzzy's and Thunderheads to all fly the same and impact with my FP's. It takes time and patience but IMO is far better than just a paper tune.
The bow in question above, I went back and shot through paper after I walk back tuned and BH tuned. Had a bad tear. I re paper tuned the bow to shoot a bullet hole. Put a ST on and 8 inches left and 2 inches low. I know there are die hard paper tuners out there but I haven't had great luck with the method. I see it as a starting point not an ending point.
I no longer even shoot through paper. I start with a walk back and go from there.I'll also say that regardless of what the manufacturer claims, No fixed blade head will shoot like a FP out of an improperly tuned bow.
With some help from this site and some studying I switched tuning methods. Walk back tune and then broadhead tune. Since doing this I've not had problems getting ST's, Muzzy's and Thunderheads to all fly the same and impact with my FP's. It takes time and patience but IMO is far better than just a paper tune.
The bow in question above, I went back and shot through paper after I walk back tuned and BH tuned. Had a bad tear. I re paper tuned the bow to shoot a bullet hole. Put a ST on and 8 inches left and 2 inches low. I know there are die hard paper tuners out there but I haven't had great luck with the method. I see it as a starting point not an ending point.
I no longer even shoot through paper. I start with a walk back and go from there.I'll also say that regardless of what the manufacturer claims, No fixed blade head will shoot like a FP out of an improperly tuned bow.
08-18-2008 | 10:58 AM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
Unless your arrows are in the same vertical plane.....and off 7" in THAT regards....."I" can see NO REASON why they would be "off" otherwise by simply changing tip weight.
Edit** I'm acting under the assumption that your arrow is spined correctly (or will handle)for either tip weight.
Edit** I'm acting under the assumption that your arrow is spined correctly (or will handle)for either tip weight.
08-18-2008 | 11:00 AM
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
I`ll have toexperiment withwalk back by the sounds of it,I know for me it won`t be until after hunting season though now that I`m happy with the way it`s shooting,also may try these slick tricks to keep the fps up at longer distances
ORIGINAL: mez
Not a tuning expert by any means but sounds like that is your problem to me as well. I used to paper tune my bows and call it good. I ran into the same issues that you are having. My last bow shooting bullet holes at 5, 10 and 20 yards. Grouping FP's at 60 yards. Put a Slick Trick on, 8 inches left two inches low.
With some help from this site and some studying I switched tuning methods. Walk back tune and then broadhead tune. Since doing this I've not had problems getting ST's, Muzzy's and Thunderheads to all fly the same and impact with my FP's. It takes time and patience but IMO is far better than just a paper tune.
The bow in question above, I went back and shot through paper after I walk back tuned and BH tuned. Had a bad tear. I re paper tuned the bow to shoot a bullet hole. Put a ST on and 8 inches left and 2 inches low. I know there are die hard paper tuners out there but I haven't had great luck with the method. I see it as a starting point not an ending point.
I no longer even shoot through paper. I start with a walk back and go from there.I'll also say that regardless of what the manufacturer claims, No fixed blade head will shoot like a FP out of an improperly tuned bow.
Not a tuning expert by any means but sounds like that is your problem to me as well. I used to paper tune my bows and call it good. I ran into the same issues that you are having. My last bow shooting bullet holes at 5, 10 and 20 yards. Grouping FP's at 60 yards. Put a Slick Trick on, 8 inches left two inches low.
With some help from this site and some studying I switched tuning methods. Walk back tune and then broadhead tune. Since doing this I've not had problems getting ST's, Muzzy's and Thunderheads to all fly the same and impact with my FP's. It takes time and patience but IMO is far better than just a paper tune.
The bow in question above, I went back and shot through paper after I walk back tuned and BH tuned. Had a bad tear. I re paper tuned the bow to shoot a bullet hole. Put a ST on and 8 inches left and 2 inches low. I know there are die hard paper tuners out there but I haven't had great luck with the method. I see it as a starting point not an ending point.
I no longer even shoot through paper. I start with a walk back and go from there.I'll also say that regardless of what the manufacturer claims, No fixed blade head will shoot like a FP out of an improperly tuned bow.
08-18-2008 | 11:02 AM
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From: minneapolis mn.
RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
I`m using GT 7595`s with 74 pound dw @ 28 1/2 dl
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Unless your arrows are in the same vertical plane.....and off 7" in THAT regards....."I" can see NO REASON why they would be "off" otherwise by simply changing tip weight.
Edit** I'm acting under the assumption that your arrow is spined correctly (or will handle)for either tip weight.
Unless your arrows are in the same vertical plane.....and off 7" in THAT regards....."I" can see NO REASON why they would be "off" otherwise by simply changing tip weight.
Edit** I'm acting under the assumption that your arrow is spined correctly (or will handle)for either tip weight.
08-18-2008 | 11:06 AM
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
Like I said....I have no idea if the difference in tip weight would affect your spine.....but either way...you're telling me you're getting NO fishtailing. So....going on your word....I'm assuming your arrow has got plenty of ass to handle the spine issues.
No. 1 - I can't fathom the difference in anything other than a vertical plane difference switching from lighter to heavier tip weights (if everything you're telling me about arrow flight is correct).
No. 2 - I can't fathom going into the woods with the "band-aid" you just put on a gaping wound.
You asked....we told you.
Good luck.
No. 1 - I can't fathom the difference in anything other than a vertical plane difference switching from lighter to heavier tip weights (if everything you're telling me about arrow flight is correct).
No. 2 - I can't fathom going into the woods with the "band-aid" you just put on a gaping wound.
You asked....we told you.
Good luck.
08-18-2008 | 11:13 AM
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
Oh boy it`s gettin deep
Well I sure hope my gaping wound of a bowtech old glory hitting dot`s from 70 is enough to do the trick, good luck to us all if it`s not.
Well I sure hope my gaping wound of a bowtech old glory hitting dot`s from 70 is enough to do the trick, good luck to us all if it`s not.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Like I said....I have no idea if the difference in tip weight would affect your spine.....but either way...you're telling me you're getting NO fishtailing. So....going on your word....I'm assuming your arrow has got plenty of ass to handle the spine issues.
No. 1 - I can't fathom the difference in anything other than a vertical plane difference switching from lighter to heavier tip weights (if everything you're telling me about arrow flight is correct).
No. 2 - I can't fathom going into the woods with the "band-aid" you just put on a gaping wound.
You asked....we told you.
Good luck.
Like I said....I have no idea if the difference in tip weight would affect your spine.....but either way...you're telling me you're getting NO fishtailing. So....going on your word....I'm assuming your arrow has got plenty of ass to handle the spine issues.
No. 1 - I can't fathom the difference in anything other than a vertical plane difference switching from lighter to heavier tip weights (if everything you're telling me about arrow flight is correct).
No. 2 - I can't fathom going into the woods with the "band-aid" you just put on a gaping wound.
You asked....we told you.
Good luck.
08-18-2008 | 11:20 AM
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
Maybe it's not a bow problem. Maybe it's an ARROW problem. Have you tuned your arrows to your broadheads? Do they spin w/ no wobble? How old are your arrows? Is it possible that the spine is gone? Have you used a G5 ASD to square the end of the arrow and insert? Are you blades aligned w/ your fletching?
Your bow could be perfectly tuned, but if your arrows aren't.....You may as well pee into the wind my friend.....
Your bow could be perfectly tuned, but if your arrows aren't.....You may as well pee into the wind my friend.....
08-18-2008 | 11:22 AM
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RE: broadhead that flies like a field tip?
Jesus:
What you're failing to acknowledge is......that you're giving up some potentially SERIOUS KE by virtue of your bow no tbeing in tune, properly (and based on what you've told us.....and exemplified by the DRASTIC differences in POI between BH's and FP's).....you're not getting the maximum out of your setup.
So....you've basically (referring back to another post) but a band-aid on a gaping wound.
I don't really care if you're hitting your bullseye or not. The HOW most definitely is important....and the ends does NOT justify the means.
Again....you asked.
What you're failing to acknowledge is......that you're giving up some potentially SERIOUS KE by virtue of your bow no tbeing in tune, properly (and based on what you've told us.....and exemplified by the DRASTIC differences in POI between BH's and FP's).....you're not getting the maximum out of your setup.
So....you've basically (referring back to another post) but a band-aid on a gaping wound.
I don't really care if you're hitting your bullseye or not. The HOW most definitely is important....and the ends does NOT justify the means.
Again....you asked.