Time to see...
08-07-2008 | 08:39 AM
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RE: Time to see...
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
Wake up bigc! That quote of Jeff's was aimed right at me on bear baiting in Minnesota.
Not baiting deer in any other state.
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
We rarely see eye to eye, but you hit it on the head here. I see all kinds of folks putting down high fense but won't hesitate to go and put out 100lbs of corn, which I loathe, and wish MD would ban. But I am not paying for these folks corn, plots, or high fense hunt, so who am I to tell em they are wrong?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
One man's high fence is another man's bait barrel.
One man's high fence is another man's bait barrel.
Not baiting deer in any other state.
Point is, everyone needs to realize that just because they don't do it, doesn't mean its wrong. Wrong is a state of mind.
08-07-2008 | 08:42 AM
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Point is, everyone needs to realize that just because they don't do it, doesn't mean its wrong. Wrong is a state of mind.
That's the DEFINITION of a double standard.
08-07-2008 | 08:48 AM
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I never condemned anyone for either. I do not condone baiting deer. I have done it. Did not like that either. I think a captive animal is by far not the same as a free ranging animal lured by bait.(Even though I do neither)
Sort of like if you had a zebra in the zoo who gets fed every day. Do you still think the zebra would stay in the zoo if they opened the gate? Got an answer for that?
LT
Sort of like if you had a zebra in the zoo who gets fed every day. Do you still think the zebra would stay in the zoo if they opened the gate? Got an answer for that?
LT
08-07-2008 | 08:49 AM
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RE: Time to see...
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
But they are still in a specific area by use of artificial means. If there were 5000 acres fenced in where you hunt bears would you be able to kill them without bait then?
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
Well for one thing Bruce the bear are free to go where they want.
What is the difference in hunting in a high fence if that is the only way to "get" certain animals in certain parts of the country and hunting bears over bait if that is the only way to "get" bears in certain parts of the country?
08-07-2008 | 08:57 AM
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RE: Time to see...
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
It would be tough Bruce. Bear just aren't very patternable and can be very nocturnal. I've talked with a ton of deer hunters that hunt in Northern Minnesota where the bear population is and allot or most of these deer hunters have never ever seen a bear while sitting on there deer stand. Minnesota has a very thick big woods. If it was more open country, mountain country, bait would not be a factor. One could spot and stalk then. Baiting has to be done here to shoot bear, there's no way around it. I wouldn't BS you Bruce. If we didn't need to bait to shoot bear in Mn I wouldn't use it. Baiting bear is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
But they are still in a specific area by use of artificial means. If there were 5000 acres fenced in where you hunt bears would you be able to kill them without bait then?
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
Well for one thing Bruce the bear are free to go where they want.
What is the difference in hunting in a high fence if that is the only way to "get" certain animals in certain parts of the country and hunting bears over bait if that is the only way to "get" bears in certain parts of the country?
It isNOT easy to take a mature bear even with bait.
08-07-2008 | 08:58 AM
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RE: Time to see...
ORIGINAL: StrutNtom
A lot of people think if its a "large" area that it justifies the high fence. That is pure BS. I don't care if its 100,000 acres the fact is that its still fenced. That animalyou killed (if given the chance) might have moved onto another farm or five miles down the road.
A lot of people think if its a "large" area that it justifies the high fence. That is pure BS. I don't care if its 100,000 acres the fact is that its still fenced. That animalyou killed (if given the chance) might have moved onto another farm or five miles down the road.
08-07-2008 | 09:03 AM
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My hog hunt last July was at a high fenced operation. By far, the most physically strenuous (and dangerous) hunt I've been on. I really think how each operation is run will determine the quality or "sportiness" (is that a word?) of ahunt. Some operations are geared solely for getting an animal on the ground-and money out of your wallet. Luckily, there are a precious few that aren't like that. Just got to do your homework, research, and not waste precious money and vacation days.
08-07-2008 | 09:09 AM
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Double standard, perhaps?
Running a successful High Fence Operation is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.
08-07-2008 | 09:13 AM
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RE: Time to see...
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
It would be tough Bruce. Bear just aren't very patternable and can be very nocturnal. I've talked with a ton of deer hunters that hunt in Northern Minnesota where the bear population is and allot or most of these deer hunters have never ever seen a bear while sitting on there deer stand. Minnesota has a very thick big woods. If it was more open country, mountain country, bait would not be a factor. One could spot and stalk then. Baiting has to be done here to shoot bear, there's no way around it. I wouldn't BS you Bruce. If we didn't need to bait to shoot bear in Mn I wouldn't use it. Baiting bear is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.
ORIGINAL: brucelanthier
But they are still in a specific area by use of artificial means. If there were 5000 acres fenced in where you hunt bears would you be able to kill them without bait then?
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
Well for one thing Bruce the bear are free to go where they want.
What is the difference in hunting in a high fence if that is the only way to "get" certain animals in certain parts of the country and hunting bears over bait if that is the only way to "get" bears in certain parts of the country?
