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Yeah, you are right in a way. Maybe the title of my thread should have been, "Why Do People Create High Fences?"
That, in itself is what makes me sick, and all I really "care" about. I just believe it is wrong to fence in a perfectly healthy deer, elk, or other wild game. jmho Then to kill said animal inside the fence, well, I guess that just fuels my sickness.

I would love to get me one of those bulls Will. Maybe one day.

Jeff. Hey, how you doing old buddy old pal? Still using the old ignorant,...er, uh, I mean ignore button I see.;)

LT

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Jeffy, you been tested since you did that?[8D]

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I hunted hogs in a high fense once. It was not easy to kill the hogs, we had 1200 acres fensed off and the hogs had seen a lot of hunting pressure. It was so difficult in fact that only 1 out of the 4 of us that went took a hog. With that being said, this place had deer as well as exotics. I walked up (not stalked) within bow range of several record book deer and could have killed any of them if I wanted to. Why did we go to this place? We were looking for trip out-of-state at the end of our deer season, something to do and with no other game in season, we had little choice but hog. It was fun, but a few of the guys shot some of the exotics, but watching the way that went down was not very appealing to me. We still go a hog hunt every year to wrap up our hunting season, but now we go down to Texas and chase free ranging hogs.

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Bythe age of eight I knew it was bothwrong and unnecessary to kill an animal in a pen.
I guess it just takes some a little longer to figurethat out.;)

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Your opinion ..... everything is relative ...... people have opinions about you, Jimbo ....... do you always want them expressing them for the sole purpose of making themselves look better?

BTW .... my opinion of you is one of a teddy bear that's trying to keep the tough guy image ..... I'm just sayin' ..........

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Yes Jim back in the 1920's things were differnet;)

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PT, is everything thats perfectly legal look good in your eye's or on everyone elses eyes that see high fence hunting as being ok?

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Steve, ........huh:eek:I don't understand your post

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Although I have never hunted within a fence, I do plan on doing so for Buffalo with my longbow at some point. We are talking thousands of acres. Why has nothing to do with the choices mentioned. It's more of an inner want I guess. Getting a free range tag would sure be nice, but it is nearly impossible.

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Did you watch the Jimmy Houston video?[:@]
I've lived in Texas and watched how "hunting " was done. [:'(]
In both cases we as "hunters" are put in a very compromising situation.
I do not have to experience leprosy to realize pieces of decaying flesh is not good for me. Neither is the need to experience the slaughter of a domesticated deer for me to "get it".
The hardest part for me to over look is the why would you pay to kill some thing that roams freely in almost every state?
If you want to shoot stuff inside of a fence why not giraffes or zebras or any other animal that is not readily available on the out side of the fence?

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PT I'll take this one....;)

One man's high fence is another man's bait barrel.

Hunt legally and ethically and you'll never hear a peep outta me.

**EDIT**

(Didn't see Bruce's post)

Damn, Bruce.....simple minds, huh?:D

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I am happy when people can legally take gameby whatever means, and in whatever fashion, they derive enjoyment from.

This thread got me to wondering though: What is the difference in hunting in a high fence if that is the only way to "get" certain animals in certain parts of the countryand hunting bears over bait if that is the only way to "get" bears in certain parts of the country?

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Bruce why did you have to go there! :D:eek:

Get the popcorn ready!

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Where do those juicy cheeseburgers and that tasty KFCcome from? Animals in pens, I suspect. In fact I might have even known that at age 8 too. Maybe...

Don't most hunters have to "pay" for a hunting license?

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Well for one thing Bruce the bear are free to go where they want.

Wouldn't expect anything different out of you Jeff. Lets see here, I've hunted bear for 17 years and I've been successful in 9 of them years. Its a real guarantee isn't it Jeff! Another thing too, the Minnesota DNR isn't happy with the amount of bear that are shot every year. They wish it was allot more. They average about 3100 bear a year shot in this state. They wish it was in that 5000 range. Bear hunting with bait is so easy. You got me!! I should of known that a "know it all" from NC knows what bear hunting is like in Minnesota. Heck, this guy knows everything. Just ask him.

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We rarely see eye to eye, but you hit it on the head here. I see all kinds of folks putting down high fense but won't hesitate to go and put out 100lbs of corn, which I loathe, and wish MD would ban. But I am not paying for these folks corn, plots, or high fense hunt, so who am I to tell em they are wrong?

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But they are still in a specific area by use of artificial means. If there were 5000 acres fenced in where you hunt bears would you be able to kill them without bait then?

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Wake up bigc! That quote of Jeff's was aimed right at me on bear baiting in Minnesota.;) Not baiting deer in any other state.

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If you're hunting legally.....and ethically.....I won't say a word to ya. May not be my bag, but I won't condemn you for it. That includes baiting bears. Nothing against it. I despise the double-standards, though;)

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Where is there a "double-standard" in "hunting" a captive animal, and "luring" one with bait?

That is the most ridiculous BS I have ever heard.

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Thats my point schultz. I hate baiting. But I don't bear hunt either. Just not my thing. But I am not going to put you down for baiting bears. I am not sure how one hunts bears without bait or dogs, because I rarely see one just mosing around.

Point is, everyone needs to realize that just because they don't do it, doesn't mean its wrong. Wrong is a state of mind.

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And the double standard exists when a man will condemn one man for hunting legally (high fence) yet turn a blind eye to the next man hunting legally (baiting bears, deer).

That's the DEFINITION of a double standard.;)

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I never condemned anyone for either. I do not condone baiting deer. I have done it. Did not like that either. I think a captive animal is by far not the same as a free ranging animal lured by bait.(Even though I do neither)

Sort of like if you had a zebra in the zoo who gets fed every day. Do you still think the zebra would stay in the zoo if they opened the gate? Got an answer for that?

LT

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It would be tough Bruce. Bear just aren't very patternable and can be very nocturnal. I've talked with a ton of deer hunters that hunt in Northern Minnesota where the bear population is and allot or most of these deer hunters have never ever seen a bear while sitting on there deer stand. Minnesota has a very thick big woods. If it was more open country, mountain country, bait would not be a factor. One could spot and stalk then. Baiting has to be done here to shoot bear, there's no way around it. I wouldn't BS you Bruce. If we didn't need to bait to shoot bear in Mn I wouldn't use it. Baiting bear is a ton of work that most have no clue whats involved with it or know anything about it but are quick to criticize it.

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You are darn right that baiting is a TON of work. I'm sure most people that haven't hunted bear this way alsothink that putting out bait means that bears will just come a runnin. The reality is that many baits are never hit by any bears or the mature ones will only come in at dark.

It isNOT easy to take a mature bear even with bait.

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If it was 100,000 acres, 5 miles down the road would still be in the fenced area...

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Double standard, perhaps?

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My hog hunt last July was at a high fenced operation. By far, the most physically strenuous (and dangerous) hunt I've been on. I really think how each operation is run will determine the quality or "sportiness" (is that a word?) of ahunt. Some operations are geared solely for getting an animal on the ground-and money out of your wallet. Luckily, there are a precious few that aren't like that. Just got to do your homework, research, and not waste precious money and vacation days.

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No, spot on. Buying the animals and their upkeep, property/habitat management, complying with local and state laws,and insurance are just a few things that come to mind.

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I have no doubts that bear hunting with bait is a ton of work and I would not think to criticize it or any other form of legal hunting. But, you do see my point in that if you fenced in 5000 acres where you hunt bears it still wouldn't be any easier to hunt them. So, using that same logic, it doesn't seem to me that a 5000 acres fenced in area would necessarily make it any easier to hunt other animals. See where I am coming from?

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I see where your coming from Bruce. But, You can't compare bear to a deer Bruce. They are 2 completely different animals. The tactics I use to hunt deer would not work in the least to hunt a bear. Sit on a trail, see a deer and possibly shoot a deer. Sit on a trail bear hunting, very unlikely to see a bear where I hunt.

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I'm not comparing deer to bear, I am comparing hunting over bait to hunting in a fence.

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You cannot compare bear baiting/hunting to high fence hunting. Thats crazy!!

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You are using artificial means (bait/fence) to get the game you are after.

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I haven't read the entire thread as I currently don't have the time or energy to do so, but here is my experience.

I hunted a high fence operation while living in FL. It was a club that allowed you to hunt the property for a fee to see if you would be interested in joining. The property was somewhere in the 10,s of thousands of acres. For some reason 22,000 is sticking in my head. Anyway the only time I saw a fence was when we entered and left the gated area. Other than that it was like hunting any of the WMAs I hunted in FL.

I had a successful hunt and killed a hog with my bow, but decided not to join the club. It had nothing to do with the fence and more with the cost and service and accomodations at the place.

I would hunt a place similar to that again if it were better organized.

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This should say," In my opinion ", instead of "Thats the DEFINITION of ", since you lack experience on 2 out of the 3 areas you are making the statement on.

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One thing, I have noticed about wild hogs. If you give them room to escape, you will never get charged. If they get cornered, and push comes to shove, you can get ran over fairly quickly by hogs.

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[joke] I heard in KY, hogs really hate to get cornered, not because they're scared of dieing either:D[/joke]

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Its the only fricking way to do it where I hunt!!!!!!! I stated earlier I've bear hunted for 17 years and I've been successful 9 of them 17 years. Do the math Bruce. High fence hunt, the stats would blow mine out of the water!

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So, you're saying that if you had 5000 acres fenced where you bear hunt now, you could have killed a bear 17 out of 17 years without using bait?