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Deer exterminators!!!???
Get a load of this!!! haha
http://www.deerprofessionals.com/welcome.htm Do you have deer out of control? Are they eating your bushes?! Have you hit a deer on your street with your car?! Well here's the people for you. One quick call and they will come help you "manage" your land. What a crock of poop! Worse part is they are in my area!!!! Would love to run into them and give a piece of my mind. |
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We have a similar organization, here. Their sole purpose (let's be real) is to extend their deer hunting seasons. Nobody works for free, right?;)
What you'll find...if you'll delve into this.....is they're probably getting depradation permits for the areas they go to contract with. They can literally hunt deer 12mos a year, that way. Not saying this is how this one is run.....but it is, here.;) They are clever.....they are connected.....and they love to hunt.;) |
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Deer Management Professionals of Southeastern Pennsylvania is an organization of elite, highly experienced, and highly educated sportsmen from this region.
They are so humble :eek: |
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Why aren't they subject to the same rules and regulations the rest of us have to follow?
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Hunt deer 12 months a yr. Normal. I have can sum up how them describe themselves. buttholes! Now the wife is in trouble when I get home. I didnt wanna have to do it but geeez!
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Why aren't they subject to the same rules and regulations the rest of us have to follow? The animals are declared a "nuisance".....and they're allowed to deal with them, accordingly. |
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GMMAT...thats a theory with some substance, however- not completely accurate. Don't talk to me about "theories". I was asked to join this org., here, 2 years ago. There's NO specualtion on my part. Period.;) Next. |
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These guys have to hunt the same seasons and bag limits as every one else.In many cases,it's extremely hard to get access to more urbanized areas.they do seem a big conceited but I have no problems with what they're doing.
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I am from SE PA and know what they can do. A farm i hunt in one of the areas they where hired to come take care of a deer problem really got hit hard. I do not like it one bit. I say let bow hunters go in and do what we do best....maybe have a drawings for managed hunts on these lands......anything but hired killers
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I don't know anything about the organization other than they seem to have marketed themselves pretty well and pretty professionally IMO which I am sure goes along way towards opening doors for them to hunt on. Pretty innovative way to obtain prime time hunting properties if you ask me.
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ORIGINAL: DougE These guys have to hunt the same seasons and bag limits as every one else.In many cases,it's extremely hard to get access to more urbanized areas.they do seem a big conceited but I have no problems with what they're doing. They still have to follow all game laws. |
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well....i do not think i made it clear in my first post. I do not know if it was the same group that came to my area. However the group that did come to my area used night vision and baited the crap out the area. They where only supposed to take does, but rumor has it that they took more than does
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I don't see why this is even an issue. Walk a day in a farmers shoes and then post about it. They can't just let anyone come onto their land and kill deer because of liability reasons. These guys found a way to make money doing what they love. I mean let's be honest how many of you would let any old local yokel come kill deer on your farm?
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ORIGINAL: gamespooker I don't see why this is even an issue. Walk a day in a farmers shoes and then post about it. They can't just let anyone come onto their land and kill deer because of liability reasons. These guys found a way to make money doing what they love. I mean let's be honest how many of you would let any old local yokel come kill deer on your farm? |
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Only in America!!
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Wow.....a LOT of conjecture in here.....
These guys have to hunt the same seasons and bag limits as every one else. They still have to follow all game laws. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why deer and planes landing and taking offdon't mix with an abundance of deer;). So......the group I told you about, yesterday, approached the owners of the airport about their "problem". They secured a depradation/nuisance permit (one of the services groups like this offer.....and they're GOOD at getting them) and now they hunt there.....as far as I know.....ANY TIME THEY WANT TO. I know for a fact they hunt there well into the spring. If your goal is population control and "exermination".....what difference would mating seasons, bag limits, etc.... make? Your goal is 100% population control. The health of the herd is not even an afterthought. The one thing these guys (here) have on their side is......they offer this "service" from the standpoint of bow hunting. It also doesn't make sense to allow rifles/ML's in an area planes are. They have a niche' that they're filling.....and like I said.....they're good at what they do (in regards to securing lands to extend their seasons). They're also very secretive (wouldn't you be?) about what's being taken off these properties.....but I wouldn't be surprised in the LEAST to find out they've killed some slammers while performing their "services".;) |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Wow.....a LOT of conjecture in here..... These guys have to hunt the same seasons and bag limits as every one else. They still have to follow all game laws. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why deer and planes landing and taking don't mix. So......the group I told you about, yesterday, approached the owners of the airport about their "problem". They secured a depradation/nuisance permit (one of the serices groups like this offer.....and they're GOOD at getting them) and now they hunt there.....as far as I know.....ANY TIME THEY WANT TO. I know for a fact they hunt there well into the spring. If your goal is population control and "exermination".....what difference would mating seasons, bag limits, etc.... make? Your goal is 100% population control. The health of the herd is not even an afterthought. The one thing these guys (here) have on their side is......they offer this "service" from the standpoint of bow hunting. It also doesn't make sense to allow rifles/ML's in an area planes are. They have a niche' that they're filling.....and like I said.....they're good at what they do (in regards to securing lands to extend their seasons). They're also very secretive (wouldn't you be?) about what's being tken off these properties.....but I wouldn't be surprised in the LEAST to find out they've killed some slammers while performing their "services".;) That group in question here (given website) is nothing more than a bunch of hunters looking to score more land. No where on this particular website says anything about special perks. It's nothing more than an elaborate way to get some prime usually unhuntable land. Huntable is the key word, they are hunting, not exterminating. I understand the hired hand guys etc....these guys are not them. These guys are only asking permission to hunt, not hiring out to take out deer. If I'm wrong, show me on their website where I am. |
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Seems quite well done and clever to me.An inovative way to gain access.
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It's nothing more than an elaborate way to get some prime usually unhuntable land. Huntable is the key word, they are hunting, not exterminating. About the last question you asked......look at the thread header. What do you think this thread was/is about? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT It's nothing more than an elaborate way to get some prime usually unhuntable land. Huntable is the key word, they are hunting, not exterminating. About the last question you asked......look at the thread header. What do you think this thread was/is about? And unhuntable as in permission, not regulation. If the city limits disallowed the use of weapons, this particular group of HUNTERS wouldn't be on it. We only need to be 50 yards from any building with a bow, we can sit on the porch with permission. I'm not talking about hired guns with special permits, I'm talking about this group of enthusiastic hunters. I could very well make the exact same website offering my services as a hunter to try to gain permission. |
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Not saying this is how this one is run.....but it is, here.;) They are clever.....they are connected.....and they love to hunt.;) And when I say "connected"....I mean it. They don't have to play by the same rules you and I do....including weapons in the city limits (as AN example). |
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I didn't miss it Jeff, I simply pointed out that this group of the link isn't that same group.
Perhaps the link needs to be removed and the thread can be all about professional hunters or groups like that that isn't this group. I was strictly talking about the link provided. I'll let ya'll resume the other topic within this topic. ;) |
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Jeff - I looked into the same group you are refering to. I think after talking to you about it. They hunt year round, except when heat is too much of an issue. And I used to live in PA and I know that any farmer that has more than a certain $ amount in damage can get a depredation permit and shoot deer on site. These guys are just doing what some farmers don't have time to do. They are approaching it in a more hunting vs exterimination viewpoint, but accomplishing their primary objective none the less.
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I didn't miss it Jeff, I simply pointed out that this group of the link isn't that same group. Not saying this is how this one is run.....but it is, here.;) I actually sent these guys (their president) an email. It'll be interesting to get their response.;) |
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I have to laugh sometimes. Someone could catch the devil himself poaching on their land. Post an article about it. And people on here would argue and try and justify what he did. LMAO what a joke. [:'(]
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PA.....
You don't have to "justify" what groups (like the one I'm describing) are doing. They're doing it legally and ethically (unless you have a stance to put forth that states otherwise). They're providing a servicefor their clients (or they wouldn't be hunting where they do). What's to "jsutify"? Hell I give 'em a thumbs-up for ingenuity. |
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Killing deer in the middle of the summer, or at night, because they've convinced someone the deer are a problem, or because the deer are eating someones bushes. Or they crossed their road and someone hit them with thier car. This is "Hunting" ethically? Lets be honest with ourselves! These guys may hunt legal hours and hunt legal seasons. But they are also hunting out of out season because they've acquired a permit? Also lets be honest about another thing. They aren't just hunting the fenced in airport. They are hunting Miss Grannies land down the street from your farm because the deer ateherFlower Bush. I understand sometimes these people are doing justice, but seriously lets not be nieve and think they are doing this by the same rules as the rest of us HUNT. So if we as hunters follow a certain code of ethics, which Im pretty sure most of us do here on this site, then by god lets not insult ourselves and say these guys are "hunting" or following the same code.
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PA - I tell you what,, drive to Massanuetten (sp?) VA and find out what deer overpopulation is like. I visited there last year and there is NO, NONE, NADA vegetation from 6' to the ground. Ride around and see 12 pters sitting on the side of the road, etc. Now if there are serious problems with deer, why not offer your service to exterminate them? I am not talking about fluffing up the problem, but a serious problem. If I were a farmer and was loosing hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to deer, guess who I am gonna call. Someone who can and will take care of the problem.
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nctaxi.......your missing a very big point. PA, especially SE PA where these guys are from, is not over populated. They just dont have anywhere to go. So we should shoot em off, because they have ticks that carry lime? or they are doing some damage to someone plants, or they are eating the crops at the farms? SE PA isnt the farm area it once was. So the farm crop damage defense is limited IMO. PA doesnt have the deer it once did. So my thinking is, these guys are killing, exterminating, hunting if you must say, out of season, and if you read the website its telling you they do so bc deer carry ticks with lime. they do damage to your plants. they are harmful to your car and will raise your car insurance when you hit one. Well sh*t if we agree with these reasons lets kill them all. These guys kill them when and where they are "hired."If you agree with this,lets shoot all deer till they are gone. Then we can all go to the video range eat bologne sandwiches and shoot fake deer. Sound good?!
Maybe these guys should move to your part of the woods and help you guys out down there. We dont need it here in SE PA. |
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In fairness I didn't read the entire website.You are going to know your area better than any of us.If they are securing depredation permits and over killing than thats another story.I am sure they have to comply with all the game laws and stay within the boundaries of the legally required permits.
If you say they are going to far,I respect that. |
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PA - I guess you missed my point, too. If you can get a depredation permit, which has to be done by a CO then there is a problem. I am not saying that where you are there is a problem but maybe where they are there is. IDK because I am not there, but here GMMAT has a overpopluation of deer and 5 miles away where I hunt it isn't. I also don't believe in the hype about ticks, lime disease, car wrecks, scare tactics, etc. I think that they are offering a service that some may buy into but how is this effecting you? Are they taking land away from you? Are they hunting your land? If not, what's the big deal. They will scare the deer outta the land they are hunting and they will go somewhere else. As stated earlier GMMAT hunts land 5 miles from me and if he killed every deer where he hunts, it doesn't effect me. You seem to have a burr under your saddle about this, that I don't understand. If it doesn't effect you and is legal, why are your so upset. It's legal, that is all you can say about it, if not call them in. People here in NC bait, I don't but you don't hear me protesting about it.
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I don't know anything about SE pa, all I do know is if I lived their you cannot practice any kind of deer management because the one you let walk to grow probably isn't going to make it to grow.If these groups are exterminating on land that borders my land or bordersland that I hunt I am probably going to have a problem with it. legal or not.
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My gripe with it is simple. We dont have the deer to warrant this so called organization. If we had the over population to warrant it. Then I wouldnt be on here pitchin a stink. The simple fact that they use scare tactics which is a joke, in order to give them more hunting periods is my problem. If they like to hunt, do it ethically and the proper way like the rest of us. Dont feed people trash about them being over populated and doing damage, when they know damn well right they arent. Anyone who hunts PA anymore knows the deer population isntan over populationproblem.Its the opposite.I havent been able to come to grips with the fact that many of farms in SE PA that I used to hunt are now housing developments for the people spreading out from Philly. The deer have no where to go. But this does not mean they are over populated, we have less now then we did 20 yrs ago, but we have even less land for them to occupy. So using the smoke and whistles to convince people they have a deer problem, is my problem with the whole situation. I'd prefer them come right out and say, hey im lazy I dont want to scout, I dont want to go get permission to hunt areas in season, ill use this BS to try and expand my hunting season and load my freezer and wall. Thats what their website should really say. IMO. Sorry if I got worked up about this, but I am sure anyone else who has grown up hunting an area and seen the changes, and then seen people trying to compound an existing problem that directly effects their own passion, will ruffle up their feathers as well. O well takes all types of people to make the world go around. Ethical and Schematic.(is that even a word? if not should be.)
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PA - I am not totally against what you are saying but you can't just call the GC and get a depredation permit, there has to be reasons. Also there may not be as many deer but ,as you stated, they are in tighter areas which causes the density to go through the roof. I have lost hundreds of acres in the past few years due to expansion, so I know where you are coming from, but I have an organization like you. Nothing I can do about it, so I focus on what I can change/ gain access to, etc.
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Well thats the other problem. The GC is catching so much flack from all angles they dont know what to do. They are being sued every other month, from granny hitting a deer with her car, to hunters right now sueing them for something to do with deer management issues. Yes they are not making all the right decisions, but I can see they are under constant fire from all angles. I understand your point that they are getting these permits, its a wonder how which is the question you are leading to, which is a very good point. Guess that takes us to the biggest arguement in the state right now. Hunters are demanding change, bc the Hunters believe they know more about their deer then the GC does....which I believe they do at this point. Just my opinion. I am fortunate enough to know these people will never hunt land I own. But now its another worry we have to constantly be on the look out for how close are they coming you know?
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they really think they're the greatest people around. haha thats the dumbest thing. i hunt at a ladies house for the same reasons. she hit a deer with her car, they are always eating her new plants and flowers, and they are always tearing up the yard. but i dont mind hunting for her for free.
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Also lets be honest about another thing. They aren't just hunting the fenced in airport. They are hunting Miss Grannies land down the street from your farm because the deer ateherFlower Bush. PA - I am not totally against what you are saying but you can't just call the GC and get a depredation permit, there has to be reasons. Don't hate 'em because they've found a niche', though. Remember....somebody's going to contract with these people. Somebody feels like they have a need for their services. And again....your GC has to OK ANYTHING outside the paramters of your normal game laws. I think your anger is displaced. |
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President & Founding Member
Past member of the Glenolden Borough Council Present Borough Manager of Glenolden Borough Present owner and proprietor of Southeast Archery Associate member of the Delco Police Chiefs Association Active Pa. Game Commission Hunter/Trapper Education Instructor Well said. If there isn't a legitimate "need" (that your GC has to sign off on and recognize).....then this is a moot point. I wonder how hard it is for them to get the GC to sign off on with their resume and connections |
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