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I wonder how hard it is for them to get the GC to sign off on with their resume and connections Kudos to them. They're doing just that. |
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I understand the issue that most have with the organizations that hunt outside of seasons and regulations with the intent of "helping to control deer overpopulation,"but I don't see the organization that is linked as one of them. I read through the site and found nothing that indicated that they hunt outside of legal seasons and times and nothing that says they use anything other than bowhunting as their means of managing deer.
The one thing that I would argue with them about is that they claim to be deer management professionals yet not one of the members listed is a wildlife biologist or has a background in that field. What basis are they calling themselves professionals on? They are neither paid for the service (at least not indicated on the site) nor are they acredited or certified. Other than that though, as far as I can tell they are just a bunch of hunters that came up with an idea to create a website to try to get landowners to contact them so they can get rights to hunt. It really doesn't sound like a bad idea to me, if it is done ethically and honestly. I may contact them to see what means they use for managing deer populations. |
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ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 My gripe with it is simple. We dont have the deer to warrant this so called organization. If we had the over population to warrant it. Then I wouldnt be on here pitchin a stink. The simple fact that they use scare tactics which is a joke, in order to give them more hunting periods is my problem. If they like to hunt, do it ethically and the proper way like the rest of us. Dont feed people trash about them being over populated and doing damage, when they know damn well right they arent. Anyone who hunts PA anymore knows the deer population isntan over populationproblem.Its the opposite.I havent been able to come to grips with the fact that many of farms in SE PA that I used to hunt are now housing developments for the people spreading out from Philly. The deer have no where to go. But this does not mean they are over populated, we have less now then we did 20 yrs ago, but we have even less land for them to occupy. So using the smoke and whistles to convince people they have a deer problem, is my problem with the whole situation. I'd prefer them come right out and say, hey im lazy I dont want to scout, I dont want to go get permission to hunt areas in season, ill use this BS to try and expand my hunting season and load my freezer and wall. Thats what their website should really say. IMO. Sorry if I got worked up about this, but I am sure anyone else who has grown up hunting an area and seen the changes, and then seen people trying to compound an existing problem that directly effects their own passion, will ruffle up their feathers as well. O well takes all types of people to make the world go around. Ethical and Schematic.(is that even a word? if not should be.) There is absolutely nothing wrong with being professional and organized in order to get access to urban areas. In fact, it is the smart way to approach it, and often the ONLY way to do it. I see no evidence on their websiteof wanting to be exterminators, or any desire to not have to abide by normal regs or any push to get additional "periods". I do see a group of guys hoping to capitolize on what is probably some of the best hunting available. There are a whole lot of urban and suburban areas all across the country that are being accessed now thru org's just like this one. It is quite often the case that the property owners and at times, the local government need to be shown that deer can be bowhunted effectively by hunters that are considerate, conscientious, and tuned into the special conditions that suburban settings often bring about. Trust me, there is no need to convince anyone in these areas that there is a deer problem, but there IS a need to convince non-hunters to let us hunters be the ones to implement some control measures. If you are right that these areas don't have deer problems now...they will in the near future, you can count on that. You say yourself that there is urban sprawl, and less space for the deer. That doesn't mean they will quit reproducing in those areas. You certainly cannot make generalizations about your state's deer herd and assume those hold true for all urbanized areas - which is exactly what it sounds like you are doing. We have tons of deer within city limits of StL and surrounding municipalities. While some allowed hunting early on, others have implemented specific regs to allow it (big hoops to jump thru), while others have stayed on their chosen path and not allowed it but yet opted for sharp shooters, trap and transplant, etc. In the areas that have some great suburban hunting...who do you think theyuppies will allow to comeshoot deer - organized hunters with"professional" appearances or redneck joe blow wanting to come "stick some deer"? |
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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low We havetons of deer within city limits of StL and surrounding municipalities. While some allowed hunting early on, others have implemented specific regs to allow it (big hoops to jump thru), while others have stayed on their chosen path and not allowed it but yet opted for sharp shooters, trap and transplant, etc. In the areas that have some great suburban hunting...who do you think theyuppies will allow to comeshoot deer - organized hunters with"professional" appearances or redneck joe blow wanting to come "stick some deer"? |
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Robin, that is a great point. Especially your last line which is how I obtain permission on much of the property I hunt. It is through my professional approach and appearance that I can get some doors open that some others in the area cannot.
I just sent the president from the group in the linkthe following email: "Hello, I am a homeowner in Phoenixville and live near the Black Rock Sanctuary. As such, there are a lot of deer that live in the sanctuary that come over to our development and eat the landscaping and cross Black Rock Road creating a driving hazard. There are some wooded areas around the sanctuary and near our development that are, as far as I know, off limits to hunting. What can your organization do to help with the deer population here and what methods do you use to control that population? More specifically what would your management goals be and what will you do to reach those goals. Thank you for your time," All of the information in the email is true and will tell me by their response if they can access seemingly inaccessible property and the methods they use to "manage" the deer. It should be interesting and I'll share it as soon as I have it. |
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PA....
WE (hunters) went to the NCWRC in an effort (in my eyes) to thwart off some of what these organizations are trying to do (in a roundabout way). We told them (NCWRC) that there were areas within city limits of our municipalities that were overridden with deer. We also told them that these areas (at the time of the meetings....and still, to an extent) were off limits to ALL hunting. It just didn't make sense. Many, most, OK.....almost ALL of these municipalities had restrictions fro hunting within them.....and most had "firearms" restrictions that INCLUDE bows. So......we proposed an "urban archery season". Whatta ya know?;) They liked it. In '08, for the first time ever.....NC impleented an urban archery season. It ran (and someone who hunted it can help me with the exact dates) from about Jan 1 to the middle of March. SAME bag limits as the regular season applied. Also (and here's the tricky part)....they left it up to the hunters within said municipalities to "sell" the program to their respective city/town councils. I "think" we had an open urban archery season in 3 places, this year. I know NCHunterman hunted the Elkin, NC urban archery season. Kudos to those who are gaining such access. They're extending their seasons. I'll be at the meeting, this year, when we propose to my city. With the deer pops we have here........I have to think (;)) there's a few slammers hiding out in the city limits. |
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PA - the problem with PA has and always will be the hunters themselves. The worst thing the GC did was listen to them. Gary Alt listened to them hollar "we want to see more deer" and he made the necessary changes to make that happen. Then it was "we want to see more bucks and better antlers" so he gave them the means to get what they want. In order to have that they have to reduce deer numbers, period. Does being the first to be harvested. Now they gripe that they aren't seeing deer numbers "like they used to". The problem is that "like they used to" was wrong. I grew up hunting PA and it was not uncommon to see 75 deer a day, and better than 80% of the buck harvest were young bucks less than 2 yrs old. Years and years of overgrazing, overforaging, etc have decimated the nutritional plants in some areas of PA. So essentially these deer are eating lettuce and poor quality lettuce at that. So here we have the GC of today not knowing where to begin to change this and afraid to do anything for fear of being sued and afraid not to.
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT WE (hunters) went to the NCWRC in an effort (in my eyes) to thwart off some of what these organizations are trying to do (in a roundabout way). We told them (NCWRC) that there were areas within city limits of our municipalities that were overridden with deer. |
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Jeff I think that there are 9 municipalities(sp?) that are on it this year. From 3 - 9, it seems to be catching on.
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But PA says there are no areas like that (overridden with deer)? Wait.....don't answer that. Someone will have a coronary.:D |
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I remember the golden age of hunting in PA. We'd go out spotting and see 300-400 deer in 3 hours. I can remember when you could spot all night, and we'd see 800-1000. That has been a while ago but even still, driving from NC to PA is an adventure, starting just south of Morgantown WV all the way to Washington PA, we stop counting deer at 150 and the dang things stand on the side of the road and feed. Now this is a 2 hour drive tops, usually 1.5 hours. Stains every 1/4 mile from deer getting hit and you're whiteknuckled on the wheel hoping they just stay there and feed. For fun , in the evenings, we drive up the hill form my parents to the cemetary and never see less than 100 deer, usually approaching 200 and if you go early enough you get to see about 75 turkey before they roost.
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wow all these armchair quarterbacks who love to give us their opinion and what and who is right or wrong when they themselves do not live in the specific area. NEVER did I once say SE PA is like the rest of the state. I hunt all over PA. WE DO NOT have an over population problem anywhere in the state.Im done with this arguement, Ill tell you what, how bout the billion hunters from PA come to another state, shoot anything and everything like they do here, and how bout we throw in some bullsh*t groups of people like this one who want to hunt in the so called "suburban" areas and let them shoot as many as they deem necessary, bc by golly they are experts! They are a scam, they are just trying to access property or areas that are EASY to shoot deer. And they throw on the show about the deer being over populated in that area which is a terrible misconception. Dont tell me what SE PA is as far as suburban or if we have to many deer or a healthy deer herd. I live here, I grew up here, I spend probably more days in the woods then you do! Ill tell you how the deer herd is donig in SE PA and the game commission can go scratch their a** with their decisions. Why do they issue so many tags if we have so lil deer. Probably the same reason they release mountain lions 2 per 6 counties! Want to argue that with me too? I have someone who has one in their freezer!!!!!! Trust the GC of PA and will be let down. This organization is a crock! Professional hunters. Pest control. Yea and Im the tooth fairy. The majority of farms are concentrated out in Pittsburgh, and mid south of the state. I dont see them trying to go there and hunt or "help people" with their deer problem. Probably bc it would be to much of a challenge then shooting 5 in someones back yard. I wouldnt try and tell someone from NC what is right and wrong about their deer population, dont tell me what im seeing is my imagination.
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WE DO NOT have an over population problem anywhere in the state. Ill tell you what, how bout the billion hunters from PA come to another state, shoot anything and everything like they do here, and how bout we throw in some bullsh*t groups of people like this one who want to hunt in the so called "suburban" areas and let them shoot as many as they deem necessary, bc by golly they are experts! The group I'm telling you about is always looking for new members. I can hook a fella up! Why do they issue so many tags if we have so lil deer. Probably the same reason they release mountain lions 2 per 6 counties! Want to argue that with me too? I have someone who has one in their freezer!!!!!! Trust the GC of PA and will be let down. This organization is a crock! Professional hunters. Pest control. Yea and Im the tooth fairy. The majority of farms are concentrated out in Pittsburgh, and mid south of the state. I dont see them trying to go there and hunt or "help people" with their deer problem. Probably bc it would be to much of a challenge then shooting 5 in someones back yard. I wouldnt try and tell someone from NC what is right and wrong about their deer population, dont tell me what im seeing is my imagination. PS --You don't have a car and access to automatic weapons......do ya?[&:] |
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Jeff - come on now! That 375,000 vehicle/deer accidents/ year is another way that hunting organization of professionals is getting more hunting land. You should know better. The PAGC is in with the Insurance agencies, they are pooling the wool over their eyes in PA. But I hear the tooth fairy will be exchanging teeth for money on the back of mountian lions. And PA has now impllemented the 2 toothfairies per county/ mountain lion limit, this change goes into effect this year, so apply for your permit before August 15th.
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ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 WE DO NOT have an over population problem anywhere in the state. |
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Sounds like legalized poaching to me. Legal, okay, but ethical, no way.
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ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 Probably the same reason they release mountain lions 2 per 6 counties! Want to argue that with me too? |
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ORIGINAL: superstrutter Sounds like legalized poaching to me. Legal, okay, but ethical, no way. |
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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 WE DO NOT have an over population problem anywhere in the state. |
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Same place they get the GC releasing cougars or was it black panthers!?!?!
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Robin! I've seen it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What that guy was refering to was the blinds the organization in the link is pulling. Not bowhunting in suburban areas legally. Stop ASSUMING, you know what assuming means right?!
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ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 Stop ASSUMING, you know what assuming means right?! |
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highly doubt the suburbs of Pitt have an over population problem. Im willing to bet they have ignorant people who think their is bc their bushes disappeared when they planted them fresh after their new house was built on freshly cleared land. Probably very similar to Philly area. Im interested in hearing what the people from Pitt have to say, bc they will be the ones able to tell us, not me and not someone from out of state who doesnt hunt there full time. |
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I stopped assuming as soon as I saw you believe that the PGC is releasing cougars. Z I N G !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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See what you miss when you're typing. Spit MD on the screen!:D
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Sorry Pa....(I hate it when I do that)
I had you all wrong, though. I'm not willing to go as far as you....but I'll give you one distinction, right now..... HNI's Undisputed King of Cougars All hail! |
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OMG, I think I just wet myself a little:)
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Thats funny guys, but I guess the one thats going to be shown at the Pennsylvania Deer Farming association's convention in altoona in Sept is a fraud? I must have made up the fact the guy shot it on his property put it in his chest freezer and is waiting to call the PA GC bluff. Okay sorry, your right I made it all up. Im part of the the problem? haha ok. I know what a healthy deer herd is and we dont have one in PA. If we did is all the ruckus bull****? Guess so! Tell you what, ill let you guys chat it up! You guys obviously know the most about SE PA. Cheers to ya.
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ORIGINAL: RobinAim Low ORIGINAL: superstrutter Sounds like legalized poaching to me. Legal, okay, but ethical, no way. |
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I must have made up the fact the guy shot it on his property put it in his chest freezer and is waiting to call the PA GC bluff. I don't claim to know a THING about cougars in PA. That's why I'mseeking info fromthe KING! We are not talking about bowhunting here at all. These guys are hired to kill deer, whatever methods they use. Do you honestly think shooting some deer at night under bait is ethical? These guys kill many of these deer at night, not in a blind or stand with a bow. This has absolutely nothing to do with suburban bowhunting. This is legalized POACHING. |
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ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 Thats funny guys, but I guess the one thats going to be shown at the Pennsylvania Deer Farming association's convention in altoona in Sept is a fraud? I must have made up the fact the guy shot it on his property put it in his chest freezer and is waiting to call the PA GC bluff. Okay sorry, your right I made it all up. Im part of the the problem? haha ok. I know what a healthy deer herd is and we dont have one in PA. If we did is all the ruckus bull****? Guess so! Tell you what, ill let you guys chat it up! You guys obviously know the most about SE PA. Cheers to ya.  Does it have some tattoo or ear tag saying "Released by the PGC"? |
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An Amish farmer along 944 in Cumberland County complained to the PGC a mountain lion was killing his sheep. They came out and investigated. Their conclusion: “Sir, you don’t have a mountain lion.” A week later the farmer shot the mountain lion. The very sad news: there was a PGC ear tag on it.
http://www.westernhunter.com/Pages/Vol06Issue05/palions.html you guys are right. I made it all up! no possible way we have mountain lions in PA. not at all. Let me be the first to tell you, you are bunch if ignorantdudes for assuming things cant possibly be what one says. Words of advise, dont be so judgemental until you know for a fact what one says is false. Then give me your best. But shows the type of people you are. :D |
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HNI's Undisputed King of Cougars
Dude! Where's the love? I SAID I'd refer to you for all things "cougar". So this guy poaches one cougar? I wouldn't dare say you don't have them. I asked if he shot it in an open season. |
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ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 you are bunch if ignorant a**holes for assuming things cant possibly be what one says. Words of advise, dont be so judgemental until you know for a fact what one says is false. The internet is NOT the source of all things that are true. Calling people names like that causes a lack of respect for you by those very same people and it damages you already weak credibility ;). |
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Internet no. My own eyes yes. End of story.
Also I respect those who respect me. Apparently everyone here is to much of a so called know it all to have a normal conversation. When it all goes down give me a shout ill be the guy wearing the I told you so shirt! |
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ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 Internet no. My own eyes yes. End of story. |
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ORIGINAL: DougE These guys have to hunt the same seasons and bag limits as every one else.In many cases,it's extremely hard to get access to more urbanized areas.they do seem a big conceited but I have no problems with what they're doing. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT We are not talking about bowhunting here at all. These guys are hired to kill deer, whatever methods they use. Do you honestly think shooting some deer at night under bait is ethical? These guys kill many of these deer at night, not in a blind or stand with a bow. This has absolutely nothing to do with suburban bowhunting. This is legalized POACHING. |
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ORIGINAL: PABuckbuster12 Internet no. My own eyes yes. End of story. Also I respect those who respect me. Apparently everyone here is to much of a so called know it all to have a normal conversation. When it all goes down give me a shout ill be the guy wearing the I told you so shirt! |
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