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RE: Mature buck "Age structure" the "Great Equalizer"?

Ii'm gonna go back to my bass fishing analogy. Is a guy who consistently catches 8-10 pound bass in Virginia as good a fisherman who consistently catches 12-14 pound bass in Florida? ABSOLUTELY. There are some variations in this equation, such as someone who fishes "granny's ponds" and just stands from the bank and casts into ponds that haven't been fished for a decade compared to someone who is fishing a large public lake....so within this analogy variations exist, so unless you walk in someone elses shoes when it comes to pursuing large whitetails, you really have no idea how dang good they are at taking them.

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I have no intentions of arguing with you, either, Scott.

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You have countless times addressed the age vs. inches debate. There is no denying that at all. Seriously.

We talk about a lot of things in this forum, and not all are ad hoc to things that interest you or I. This subject interests me. If it doesn't interest you.....by all means.....don't click on it.

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This is only my opinion not knowing your personally,but I feel your competitive ego get's in the way at times. I am not going to dig through old posts to find a reply to throw at you, this is just something that I believe I have saw here from you onnumerous occasions.

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In this very thread youspoke of the "big bucks" in your county... In other posts you mentioned seeing 140/150 bucksjust down the roadfrom your house..... The buck your coworker shot.. The buck your "poacher" neighbor shot... To name a few.

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To take your own words....How can you prove this? How do you know many states over what ones land has?

Sorry. You misunderstood. When someone from one of the states you listed .....does what you say.....then I'll think of a response.

It's NEVER HAPPENED, though.

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I know your not targeting me or anyone specific (winky winky). But my point of view is I don't put birth certificates on the wall. I hunt mostly public areas, so letting one "grow-up" is a bit of a fantasy. I target Bucks with nice head gear, specifically 130 and up as a starting number. I don't care if hes 1 or 100..agewise!

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"Might" the reason for this be......that "age structure" is the "great equalizer" when it comes to hunting "mature bucks"?

I'm not in the sport as a competition between men, to me it's a competition between man and beast!

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I mean.....a man in FL can target 3.5+yr old deer ......and in his mind.....he's leveled the playing field withhis compadrefrom IL.

Makes sense to me if age is your score-card!

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Does this "leveling" of the playing field rub "some" the wrong way?

Yes, those that want to feel superior will find a way to do so, jut as those that want to feel equal will do the same.

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Curious at to your thoughts on this.

There ya have mine!

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ORIGINAL: GMMAT

I have no intentions of arguing with you, either, Scott.

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You have countless times addressed the age vs. inches debate. There is no denying that at all. Seriously.

We talk about a lot of things in this forum, and not all are ad hoc to things that interest you or I. This subject interests me. If it doesn't interest you.....by all means.....don't click on it.

It does interest me, that is why I click the threads. When you address the issue you seem overly defensive at times and use far fetched analogies in attempt to prove your point.

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This is only my opinion not knowing you personally,but I feel your competitive ego get's in the way at times. I am not going to dig through old posts to find a reply to throw at you, this is just something that I believe I have saw here from you onnumerous occasions.

It doesn't surprise me in the least YOU feel this way. If it makes a difference....lol....I got a PM (actually 2) after I posted thisbetting methere would be 2 guys who blew a gasket over it. You were one of them (mentioned).

I did not say or imply I dislike you, nor did I "blow a gasket".... Far from it actually. So, I have no idea what you mean by me "feeling this way". You do have a very competitive ego, it takes no Einstein to figure that out either (not saying that is a bad thing either). LOL... I just realized.... You have SACK RIDERS! :DCongrats guy's on your excellent sack clinging abilities!

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The 140/150 bucks down the road from my house are in an enclosure. My co-worker shot his buck behind his house......in....let's just say an area I can't hunt (;)). And I never said how big the deer my neighbor poached. I only said it was a 10-pointer.

You are correct, you never mentioned how big the buck your neighbor shot was, only that you saw it at your states Deer Expo and it was a nice buck. Also, I do recall your state record Typical is from the next county North.... That's not all that far really.

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To take your own words....How can you prove this? How do you know many states over what ones land has?

Sorry. You misunderstood. When someone from one of the states you listed .....does what you say.....then I'll think of a response.

It's NEVER HAPPENED, though.

It has happened.... PA is #8 for entries and lot's of em' complain they have no big bucks :D

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It does interest me, that is why I click the threads. When you address the issue you seem overly defensive at times and use far fetched analogies in attempt to prove your point.

Scott...I don't think anyone's gonna read this and think I'M the one being defensive about this.....lol. I asked for your opinion. I have nothing to be defensive about (although you still haven't answered the questions I asked in the thread header;)).

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I did not say or imply I dislike you, nor did I "blow a gasket".... Far from it actually. So, I have no idea what you mean by me "feeling this way". You do have a very competitive ego, it takes no Einstein to figure that out either (not saying that is a bad thing either). LOL... I just realized.... You have SACK RIDERS! :DCongrats guy's on your excellent sack clinging abilities!

I didn't say you did blow a gasket. I said someone said you would.;) It's a figure of speech....but it's fairly evident (understatement) that this subject matter bothers you. If I have sack riders......I pity them...lol:D

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You are correct, you never mentioned how big the buck your neighbor shot was, only that you saw it at your states Deer Expo and it was a nice buck. Also, I do recall your state record Typical is from the next county North.... That's not all that far really.

No it's not that far.....and I started out hunting in that county....before I picked up land claose to home (which I CHERISH!). As a matter of fact.....the two deer nctaxi posted are from Stokes Co., too. Farmcntry is from there, too....and hunts there (has all his life, as far as I know). He'll STILL tell you a 100" buck is a NICE buck for these parts. He ain't lying.

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It has happened.... PA is #8 for entries and lot's of em' complain they have no big bucks :D

Well....I think you might be looking at this from some rose colored glasses. #8 in front of who and behind who? Also......if you put a P&Y buck in a 5 acre woodlot....and turned me loose in there.....I'm pretty sure I could find him. You put enough people in the woods....and no buck will be left un-turned;). PA proves that every year.

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Hey GR8!

Thanks for playing. Don't be such a stranger.;)

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I find it fascinating that people who claim to be "mature buck" hunters would forego a "more" mature animal.......for one with more rack size....but who is less "mature" in age structure. I'm not condemning the practice.....just saying I find it "fascinating".

I am ou there looking for a buck that has a look to him that I find more appealing than the average buck. It will almost always be a "mature" buck that fits the billing for what I am looking for.

"Might" the reason for this be......that "age structure" is the "great equalizer" when it comes to hunting "mature bucks"?

I do not see an "equalizer" for hunting bucks..... You are trying to compair hunters success..... I think this is pointless.

I mean.....a man in FL can target 3.5+yr old deer ......and in his mind.....he's leveled the playing field withhis compadrefrom IL.

Again, why try to "level the playing field".... If one is worried about being on equal footing with another in the deer woods they are hunting for the wrong reasons IMO...

Does this "leveling" of the playing field rub "some" the wrong way?

It does not rub me the wrong way, I just think it is pointless.

Curious at to your thoughts on this.

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The subject matter does not bother me at all.... More so the frequency and excuseish nature of some of the posts. We have some big bucks in my area.... Why haven't I shot a Booner??? Because I have not made it happen. It is that simple... It isn't because of where I live or how much time I have to hunt or anything else... Point blank, no excuses... I just have not made it happen. The same reason you haven't or anyone else who hasn't shot a "big" (read big, not nice)buck in their area.

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He'll STILL tell you a 100" buck is a NICE buck for these parts. He ain't lying.

I never implied that I did not believe you. Everyone around here says 120 inches is a big buck in these parts.... I know better though. 120 is a nice buck yes, but far from big.

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Well....I think you might be looking at this from some rose colored glasses. #8 in front of who and behind who?

As of 2004 (kind of outdated) behind Minnesota and in front of Texas. Enough about PA though, I just threw that out there for fun in the last post ;)

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LMAO!! I don't know of one registry that figures the age into a Trophy.

It's all about inches of Antlers.

That's 2+2=4, and it's the Gospel!

Dan

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Hey now you leave our up & coming P&Y hotbed wannabe of a state out of this. [8D];)

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The subject matter does not bother me at all.... More so the frequency and excuseish nature of some of the posts.

You're funny. WTF do "I" have to make an excuse about? I think I've done pretty well.;)

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The same reason you haven't or anyone else who hasn't shot a "big" (read big, not nice)buck in their area.

I never make mention what's in (or might be)your woods....and you posting like you know what's in mine just shows your ignorance.