Opinions on Crossbows
07-07-2008 | 09:11 AM
#61
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
You've yet to demonstrate that it is farfetched and dumb. Can't do the same in terms of crossbows either. So, you might want to get out there and experience things a bit more
07-07-2008 | 09:14 AM
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Dominant Buck
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
You've yet to demonstrate that it is farfetched and dumb. Can't do the same in terms of crossbows either. So, you might want to get out there and experience things a bit more
From everything I read and hear about PA hunting......I believe the guys who LIVE there 100%. I can't fathom what they have to endure.
They have "roughly" the same deer herd we have, here.....and 3X+ the # of hunters. That's freakin "real".
07-07-2008 | 09:21 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
I don't have to demonstrate how far fetched it is. The game laws are what they are, and never once has our Game Commission proposed that type of statewide season. That kind of speaks for itself. Take away Pa's traditional rifle season, and they'd burn down the PGC headquarters in Harrisburg.
As for the X-bow issue, I gave my feelings as to why I am against it. I know the arguement on both sides, I'm not debating that issue any more.
As for the X-bow issue, I gave my feelings as to why I am against it. I know the arguement on both sides, I'm not debating that issue any more.
07-07-2008 | 09:23 AM
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Well GMMAT, when the majority of those guys in PA vote that they want the crossbow to be used are you gonna believe them?[8D]
07-07-2008 | 09:24 AM
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Boone & Crockett
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
Well the game laws were once as such that you couldn't hunt with a crossbow, and we now see where that is heading.
And "feelings" seem to be losing out to the facts in the CB debate. But I'll leave you alone now. Peace.
GMMAT: yeah democracy does have its down side[
]
And "feelings" seem to be losing out to the facts in the CB debate. But I'll leave you alone now. Peace.
GMMAT: yeah democracy does have its down side[
]
07-07-2008 | 09:24 AM
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
RE: CrossBows are comming to town.
A very similiar thread that went 20 pages or so, maybe read this that way we can skip doing it all over again.
If you don't feel like reading it allthis is one of my initial quotes in that thread and another quote below that from another thread that shows some infromation on the number of crossbow harvests in VA.(sorry for the print size/bold)
"I live in VA and it wasn't too long ago when they changed the season to allow crossbow hunters. They had only let disabled people use them prior to that. At first there was a bit of "ruckus" about it but that slowly went away and turned out to be much ado about nothing. I see some guys crossbow hunting (rarely) and the occasional people shooting them at the range but it's not like there was some massive takeover of archery season.
I initially was worried about the weekend warrior gun hunters buyingcrossbows just to hunt during archery season and while I did see a couple of guys like that it wasn'tas bad as Ithought it would be.crossbows still require time, effort, and money to up keep and stay proficient with. Most of the guys that fit the description above never even thought about it again after they lost their initial batch of bolts and end up selling their equipment cheap to get back a few dollars.
Having had some time to get used to them I couldn't care less if someone wants to hunt with them. They are fun to shoot and not a bad way to introduce newer people to a form of archery and shooting.They are consideredarchery equipment (whether you like the label or not) and despite not having to draw them(like a vertical bow anyway)they are limited in their capabilities and range justlike other archery equipment. While they share some characteristics of a firearm most of those characteristics do nothing to enhance the actual technology of the weapon they simply make it possible to shoot a bow horizontally and release the draw with a trigger. As far as effective range, ke,one shot hunting, shot placement importance, method of killing(bleeding out/cutting off oxygen), and just about everyting else they are likeother bows (IMO).
I find it kind of comical to hear guys say they are so much easier to hunt with because you don't have to draw and hold back and you shoot it with a trigger like a gun while at the same time they are shooting their 85% letoff compounds with all of the bells and whistles holding back a whopping 10-15 lbs of draw weight with their $100 release aids(many of which have a........you guessed it........a trigger). Yeah, that is so much harder.
There are plenty of deer for all of us and while different from traditional bows and compounds,crossbows are archery weapons that have been around for centuries, I welcome them in the woods and hope they draw some more hunters to the field, which is a good thing for hunting. I certainly won't turn them away or tell them to get their own season."
2nd quote
"It baffles me how funny we hunters act. Who cares if a guy hunts with a crossbow during bow season? When should he hunt? It is obviously not a firearm and it is not a muzzleloader. Now it might not fit some peoples definition of a bow but the season it most fits in is archery it is a primitive weapon with a limited range, no gun powder, limbs/strings. In VA they recently changed the law from only handicapped hunters being allowed to use crossbowtoeveryone being able to(2005-2006).
There was a big stink about it that first season, now you hear nothing because it does not matter.
Here are the primitive weapons numbers from last season.
Archers, not including crossbow hunters, killed 17,335 deer. The bow kill was up 1% from the 17,160 deer taken by archers last year. The bow kill comprised 7% of the total deer kill.
Crossbows, which were legal for all deer hunters for the first time in fall 2005, resulted in a deer kill of 8,549 deer or <4% of the total deer kill. The crossbow kill was up 21% from the 7,069 reported last year.
Muzzleloader hunters killed 55,434 deer. The muzzleloader kill was up 6% from the 52,386 deer taken by muzzleloader hunters last year. Muzzleloading comprised 23% of the total deer kill.
Out of 200,000+ deer killed inVA,Bows & Crossbow counted for like 24,000 or11-12%. I guess why I don't care is there are obviously plenty of deer to go around.Why do we have such a sense of entitlement/ownership of our seasons/deer and what's worse is the attitude thatif you don't do it like me then you shouldn't get to hunt the early season. Why? Crossbow hunters killed 8,000 deer. Did that prevent some "true" bow hunter from getting his deer? Let's do the math (VA) 1,000,000+ deer population minus 8,000 deer(killed by crossbows) that leaves about 992,000+ deer for the rest of us "true" bow hunters to hunt before anyone else. I like my odds and I am grateful for the early season and furthermore I don't mind sharing it withcompound, longbow,recurve, or crossbow hunters.I think that what I see more than elitist attitudes in hunting is simple greed. The concept that we as hunters choose to divide ourselves based on the weapons/tactics/regional differences rather thanshow a little more acceptance and solidaritywill always baffle me.
Shotgun, rifle, pistol, crossbow, recurve, longbow, self-bow, compound(with or without the Whisker Biscuit), muzzleloader.....I don't care...good look and sincere congratulations on anyand all successes.
Wow, what would that worldbe like? Never happen.
A very similiar thread that went 20 pages or so, maybe read this that way we can skip doing it all over again.
If you don't feel like reading it allthis is one of my initial quotes in that thread and another quote below that from another thread that shows some infromation on the number of crossbow harvests in VA.(sorry for the print size/bold)
"I live in VA and it wasn't too long ago when they changed the season to allow crossbow hunters. They had only let disabled people use them prior to that. At first there was a bit of "ruckus" about it but that slowly went away and turned out to be much ado about nothing. I see some guys crossbow hunting (rarely) and the occasional people shooting them at the range but it's not like there was some massive takeover of archery season.
I initially was worried about the weekend warrior gun hunters buyingcrossbows just to hunt during archery season and while I did see a couple of guys like that it wasn'tas bad as Ithought it would be.crossbows still require time, effort, and money to up keep and stay proficient with. Most of the guys that fit the description above never even thought about it again after they lost their initial batch of bolts and end up selling their equipment cheap to get back a few dollars.
Having had some time to get used to them I couldn't care less if someone wants to hunt with them. They are fun to shoot and not a bad way to introduce newer people to a form of archery and shooting.They are consideredarchery equipment (whether you like the label or not) and despite not having to draw them(like a vertical bow anyway)they are limited in their capabilities and range justlike other archery equipment. While they share some characteristics of a firearm most of those characteristics do nothing to enhance the actual technology of the weapon they simply make it possible to shoot a bow horizontally and release the draw with a trigger. As far as effective range, ke,one shot hunting, shot placement importance, method of killing(bleeding out/cutting off oxygen), and just about everyting else they are likeother bows (IMO).
I find it kind of comical to hear guys say they are so much easier to hunt with because you don't have to draw and hold back and you shoot it with a trigger like a gun while at the same time they are shooting their 85% letoff compounds with all of the bells and whistles holding back a whopping 10-15 lbs of draw weight with their $100 release aids(many of which have a........you guessed it........a trigger). Yeah, that is so much harder
. There are plenty of deer for all of us and while different from traditional bows and compounds,crossbows are archery weapons that have been around for centuries, I welcome them in the woods and hope they draw some more hunters to the field, which is a good thing for hunting. I certainly won't turn them away or tell them to get their own season."
2nd quote
"It baffles me how funny we hunters act. Who cares if a guy hunts with a crossbow during bow season? When should he hunt? It is obviously not a firearm and it is not a muzzleloader. Now it might not fit some peoples definition of a bow but the season it most fits in is archery it is a primitive weapon with a limited range, no gun powder, limbs/strings. In VA they recently changed the law from only handicapped hunters being allowed to use crossbowtoeveryone being able to(2005-2006).
There was a big stink about it that first season, now you hear nothing because it does not matter.
Here are the primitive weapons numbers from last season.
Archers, not including crossbow hunters, killed 17,335 deer. The bow kill was up 1% from the 17,160 deer taken by archers last year. The bow kill comprised 7% of the total deer kill.
Crossbows, which were legal for all deer hunters for the first time in fall 2005, resulted in a deer kill of 8,549 deer or <4% of the total deer kill. The crossbow kill was up 21% from the 7,069 reported last year.
Muzzleloader hunters killed 55,434 deer. The muzzleloader kill was up 6% from the 52,386 deer taken by muzzleloader hunters last year. Muzzleloading comprised 23% of the total deer kill.
Out of 200,000+ deer killed inVA,Bows & Crossbow counted for like 24,000 or11-12%. I guess why I don't care is there are obviously plenty of deer to go around.Why do we have such a sense of entitlement/ownership of our seasons/deer and what's worse is the attitude thatif you don't do it like me then you shouldn't get to hunt the early season. Why? Crossbow hunters killed 8,000 deer. Did that prevent some "true" bow hunter from getting his deer? Let's do the math (VA) 1,000,000+ deer population minus 8,000 deer(killed by crossbows) that leaves about 992,000+ deer for the rest of us "true" bow hunters to hunt before anyone else. I like my odds and I am grateful for the early season and furthermore I don't mind sharing it withcompound, longbow,recurve, or crossbow hunters.I think that what I see more than elitist attitudes in hunting is simple greed. The concept that we as hunters choose to divide ourselves based on the weapons/tactics/regional differences rather thanshow a little more acceptance and solidaritywill always baffle me.
Shotgun, rifle, pistol, crossbow, recurve, longbow, self-bow, compound(with or without the Whisker Biscuit
), muzzleloader.....I don't care...good look and sincere congratulations on anyand all successes. Wow, what would that worldbe like? Never happen.
07-07-2008 | 09:37 AM
#68
Giant Nontypical
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From: Mont County, Pa
RE: Opinions on Crossbows
ORIGINAL: early in
Even though they are legal in my WMU, the state land I hunt hasn't seen any real influx of CB hunters to speak of.
Even though they are legal in my WMU, the state land I hunt hasn't seen any real influx of CB hunters to speak of.
07-07-2008 | 09:40 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
here you can use one during late season or if your disabled you can use it year round
i have a bad back and shoulder it hurt pulling the bow back
but for me not enough to stop using the compound
i say use it when it is legal and if you need to
i have a bad back and shoulder it hurt pulling the bow back
but for me not enough to stop using the compound
i say use it when it is legal and if you need to
ORIGINAL: doc098
Before I ask your opinions, I am going to give a view into what is happening. I live in Louisiana and we just elected a new governor, Bobby Jindal. Before a few weeks ago, the only people who were allowed to hunt with a crossbow were people who had a medical waiver signed by a doctor. Now, anyone can use a crossbow during open bow season (as well as primitve firearms during muzzle loaderseason, but thats for a different forum
).
The governor did this to try and get more people into the outdoors. The past few years, hunting numbers have dropped in the state of Louisiana.
I am kindof opposed to the new legislation.
My questions are,
1. If you are in a state where this has already happened, and crossbow hunting is legal, how did this affect the hunting?
2. If you are from a state in which crossbow hunting is illegal, would you want this kind of legislation to pass, or not? Why?
Before I ask your opinions, I am going to give a view into what is happening. I live in Louisiana and we just elected a new governor, Bobby Jindal. Before a few weeks ago, the only people who were allowed to hunt with a crossbow were people who had a medical waiver signed by a doctor. Now, anyone can use a crossbow during open bow season (as well as primitve firearms during muzzle loaderseason, but thats for a different forum
). The governor did this to try and get more people into the outdoors. The past few years, hunting numbers have dropped in the state of Louisiana.
I am kindof opposed to the new legislation.
My questions are,
1. If you are in a state where this has already happened, and crossbow hunting is legal, how did this affect the hunting?
2. If you are from a state in which crossbow hunting is illegal, would you want this kind of legislation to pass, or not? Why?
07-07-2008 | 09:42 AM
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Giant Nontypical
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RE: Opinions on Crossbows
I can't believe you guys don't support crossbow rights.
Crossbows are a highly effective mechanism of self-defense, and are protected under the penumbra of the 2nd amendment.
If you don't support crossbows, then you simply do not support the Second Amendment, the NRA, the Republican Party or the right to defend oneself. You are un-American, and quite possibly an enemy of the state.
I Support Crossbow Rights
Crossbows are a highly effective mechanism of self-defense, and are protected under the penumbra of the 2nd amendment.
If you don't support crossbows, then you simply do not support the Second Amendment, the NRA, the Republican Party or the right to defend oneself. You are un-American, and quite possibly an enemy of the state.
I Support Crossbow Rights