It was a poor analogy, Arthur. I apologize.

I'm for getting EVERY hunter who wants to in the woods. I think most states have recognized this....and have made xbow laws that reflect that for those individuals. Ours has.

Amended. Have a great weekend.

GMMAT

You are wrong and misled. EVERY states uses other states data, draws from it, uses them as templates, etc etc from QDM to tag fee's to the way they manage their fish and wildlife.

Crossbows are becoming more and more legalized to everyone in general archery season, and its because G&F's are FINALLY seeing there is no boogy man in the closet like P&Y preaches.

Until you produce 1 fact to the contrary, you and and all the anti-crossbow zealots will continue to lose support and you will see your states more and more allow them.

wrong, again

use whats available and make decisions based on that - its what people do -and the facts of crossbows everywhere they've been legalized for everyone says its not a bad move.

there is a very very good chance that will continue when they're allowed in PA, a very small chance the 100% consistancy of impact could be broken

and it COULD happen, crossbows COULD destroy PA archery season .......... its never happened of course, anywhere, no reason to think it WILL but it COULD and in the same breath realize all the benefits too and the consistancy there

PA WILL take the chance on crossbows and its highly unlikely there will be any negatives, and a very very good chance of all the positives


make it legal if you want, it won't impact my bowhunting ANY

Schultzy if you want to regulate technology you HAVE to remove compounds - are you ready to do that ?

We did not in MI Jeff

It's currently 80%. Meaning if I lost 50% strength in my shoulder, I would have to usea 35 lb bow or not bowhunt[&:]

Nope! I don't like the new technology in compounds but the people who shoot them which is the majority of bowhunters are helping me keep my bowhunting rights.

There are people BigD who should never have a Traditional bow in there hand, thank god they make compounds.

Then why hasn't PA changed to allow them (xbows)?

If all states are the same....and they use data from other states to make their rulings on how to handle their natural resources.......

SC has slot limits on Red Drum. What's Arkansas's?

Could it be that they judge themselves, individually....based on their own circumstances? Saying PA is like (________) state is ludicrous when it comes to deer hunting. Again....both Marge Schott and Pam Anderson are both "chicks", right?

Do you know how stupid this sounds? We have a bag limit of 2 does/day here....and I can shoot about 200, annually. It hasn't seemed to hurt our deer herds.....so I guess it would be OK to go to Rob's county and do the same. I mean....it's been legalized to nanny-whack here without detrimental consequences.....so let's do it everywhere!

Jesus.....that only took 36 pages.

I find I gamble more freely with another man's money

Neither will PA's stance to NOT allow xbows in their archery season.

No way in hellthat is gospel.


Poor management will ruin any heard, not the weapon used to hunt.

Jeff is NC having a ballot?

I think what these PA guys are trying to say is.......

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Nope. ALL you need here is a doctor's note. It's pretty simple, here. I'll bet you $1K I could get one by next Friday.....and I'm in perfect health.

They have every right to say so

Thx PA thanks you for your support

We've got disability covered in Texas, Jeff, as long as it's PERMANENT disability.

Let's consider a Texan who simply lives for bow season. Say he breaks an arm or dislocates a shoulder and it's gonna keep him from shooting for a few weeks... if those few weeks make up the month of October, he's missed out on bow season. His injury doesn't constitute a permanent disability, therefore no doctor's letter to keep in his pocket - which is all the permit required here.**

So then, instead of being able to get a crossbow so he can go hunting anyway, he gets to sit at home in cold sweats, suffering from the DT's. If he still can't shoot a bow when it hits November, at least then he can get out a crossbow and go play with the orange army. If the .30-30 isn't more appealing, that is... or the muzzleloader, or the shotgun, or the handgun...

Personally, I like general season. I can hunt with whatever the heck I want to and nobody can say diddly about it.

**Yep, all that's required is a doctor's letter in your pocket describing your condition. Still, a hundred bucks for a friggin' office call to get the dang letter! And then, my doctor charges an extra $35 for a writing a medical letter for anything. That's a legally mandated extra burden on a disabled person that the general population does not have to bear. I don't know if it's been challenged in court yet, but that is contrary to the guidelines of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

very same thing can be said of crossbow bowhunters

very same thing can be said of crossbow bowhunters

P&Y club and local/state archery clubs etc. Much like bowhunters pushed to never allow compounds and failed to facts and reasons, so too are G&F commissions ruling on crossbows


nobody said that, in fact we're all in agreement every state is different

thats the idea yes - in states that have an ever increasing herd, look to states with really liberal doe seasons, and see how thats affected/controlled the populations etc - you're catching on

not a God fearing man are ya ?

its YOUR PA G&F making these changes, not me, and they're seeing every other state thats allowed crossbows as having 100% positives from it and no negatives

thats a good bet any day


PA will allow them, if not this year in another or two and you'll see all this boogy man in the closet stuff as old wives tales, it will not impact your hunting one bit