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It's a shoulder fired weapon, let them keep it in the shoulder fired weapons season. Fact is, I think all but maybe 2 states allow a person with a handicap to use aX Bowduring the general bow season with a permit or have their own season, and most states allow them in the general gun season. Problem is the manufactures dont want a pice of the pie, they want the hole pie! So who is the selfish or greedy one here? If I offer you a pice of my candy and you try to take the hole bag, you better be ready to scrap! Manufactures and dealers are the push behind the X Bow, it's not Joe blow that actually has a disability and can already hunt the whole dam season! People like to throw out the numbers for Ohio but always seam to leave out that almost half use the X Bow there now, and I see a problem with that as an archer. It might not matter in some chicken **** state wheregun hunter numbers are only a few hundred thousand, but it's another story in states like Mi and Penn where you have 3 or 4 times the numbers, I dont care where you learned the math. We once had a very generous Bow season in this state, now it has been whittled to pices with special interest seasons. Hardly a 2 week period that goes by without a gun going off. I amfed up with manufactures and dealers using the old and handicap as an excuse to cram the X Bow into our bow season when they can already hunt the whole season, if indeed they are handicaped! They are not doing it for the old and handicaped, They are doing it for the 20% of 700,000 gun hunters they can sell X Bows to in this state. Any one out there get it yet? It's a gun that shoots a bolt, keep it in the gun season! |
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ORIGINAL: Lanse couche couche Actually, the official term is FIREarm in reference to thegeneral use of shoulder held weapons like rifles or handheld weapons like pistols.But i guess they could legalize flaming crossbow bolts so that it could fit into firearm season[8D] |
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I thought that there had been significant decreases in the number of hunters in Michigan over the past several years.
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I live in Louisiana and the cross bow thing doenst really bother me to bad. Maybe more people in the woods, but not that many. What bothers me is the new law that was passed this year allowing pre 1900 era rifles to be used during Muzzleloader season. Now any Joe Blow can go a buy a single shot rifle like a 45-70 or a 444 and claim it as a primitive weapon and hunt during muzzleloader season. its a freaking rifle... ahhhh but thats neither here nor there. I got plenty of time to hunt. Bow season opens sept. 15th and ends in the middle of february (different parts of the state).
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I wonder how most of the compoundguys on this site would feel if the traditional folks came out against the use of 300 FPS bows and how "unfair" they were? Let's face it........they are two totally different weapons when you break it down......:eek:
Bowhunting elitism is not a blanket term like I have used in the past. I really only see the "elite" tag appropriate toa select few arrogantcompound bow hunters. I rarely see traditional guys bitch and moan about what anyone else wants to hunt with. |
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I'm a traditional bow hunter Gus.;)
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My take is a simple one.....While a crossbow is indeed shoulder mounted that's where it's similarities with a firearm end. The rest of it is pure bow. It's basic principle is the same as a trad bow or compound bow in that it uses energy stored in it's limbs to propel an arrow/bolt via a string. That's basic "Bow 101" and has absolutely nothing to do with a firearm.
That out of the way, my personal opinion on it is just as simple......I don't care if they stick crossbows in with the archery season, the gun season, or even theirown season for that matter. I just think it's great to allow those who enjoy the uniqueness of bow hunting an opportunity to continue to hunt THE SAME WAY as they used to long after they can no longer pull back a bow. Opening up crossbows to the general public is also another way to get folks involved in hunting that otherwise may not. It also provides another way for folks to lengthen their hunting season. Why would this be bad? While I realizea fewstates may have a problem with the number of hunters in the woods, this is most definitely NOT the norm as the number of overallhunters is dwindling yearly at an alarming rate. I say ANYTHING to get more folks back into the woods is good! Last I'd just like to once again say how it saddens me to realize that what I've said here for many years still holds true....Bowhunters (as a whole) are the most elitist and selfish form of hunters there are and this thread does nothing to diminish that in the least![&o] Bravo.:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy I'm a traditional bow hunter Gus.;) |
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ORIGINAL: Schultzy I'm a traditional bow hunter Gus.;) Ihardely ever see you making nonsense comments aboutcompound hunters. You do your thing andeveryone respects that,you are not looking to "prove" what a stud hunter you are by demeaning how someone else might want to do it.....like some......ehhh.....a lot of guys do on here. |
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Never said they 'must' do it on my terms only they 'should' do it if they are capable. I'm smart enough to realize if its legal its a personal choice. So go ahead and enjoy that 'cheater' bow!
Yes, in the eyes of traditional hunters, a compound could be considered a 'cheater' bow as I have stated. I have no problem with them thinking of me that way if they so choose. One of my friends I hunt with shoots traditional gear and I used to myself. I'm not going to anymore as age has caught up with me. Quote:"A man has got to know his limitations!" |
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Never said they 'must' do it on my terms only they 'should' do it if they are capable. I'm smart enough to realize if its legal its a personal choice. So go ahead and enjoy that 'cheater' bow! Yes, in the eyes of traditional hunters, a compound could be considered a 'cheater' bow as I have stated. I have no problem with them thinking of me that way if they so choose. One of my friends I hunt with shoots traditional gear and I used to myself. I'm not going to anymore as age has caught up with me. Quote:"A man has got to know his limitations!" |
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ORIGINAL: HuntinGUS ORIGINAL: Schultzy I'm a traditional bow hunter Gus.;) Ihardely ever see you making nonsense comments aboutcompound hunters. You do your thing andeveryone respects that,you are not looking to "prove" what a stud hunter you are by demeaning how someone else might want to do it.....like some......ehhh.....a lot od guys do on here. |
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I've been guilty of it a time or 2 Gus but mostly to prove a point because some meat head thinks he knows everything about Traditional bows and yet has never hunted with a Traditional bow. It really amazes me just how ignorant some of "us" are. [&:] |
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Why did I waste my time as there is nothing 'elitest' or 'arrogant' about my post!!!
You completely misunderstand me, but that is your right!!! And if you did share a camp with me, you would find out how poorly you judged me! I wish you the best! |
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Well Guss, I shoot Trad, I shoot Compound, they have the same shot process,and I have shot several X Bows and you or know one else is going to tell me that a X Bow is shot the same as a Recurve or a Compound just to make you feel better. If you are handicaped and can already hunt the whole season with the Xbow all 90 days of it here in Mich, so whats your point! Itis shot like aGun, not like a bow, and you or no one else can change that. It has nothing to do with feeling elite, it is what it is.
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Why did I waste my time as there is nothing 'elitest' or 'arrogant' about my post!!! Crossbows are cheater bows So go ahead and enjoy that 'cheater' bow! You completely misunderstand me, but that is your right!!! And if you did share a camp with me, you would find out how poorly you judged me! Crossbows are cheater bows, i.e. a bow that someone uses because it's easier even though they 'could' use something else! |
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Well Guss, I shoot Trad, I shoot Compound, they have the same shot process,and I have shot several X Bows and you or know one else is going to tell me that a X Bow is shot the same as a Recurve or a Compound just to make you feel better. Whay do you care what anyone else shoots anyway? If you are handicaped and can already hunt the whole season with the Xbow all 90 days of it here in Mich, so whats your point! Itis shot like aGun, not like a bow, and you or no one else can change that. It has nothing to do with feeling elite, it is what it is Refer to BigJ's post................ |
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Now how about an atl-atl? I have always wanted to try that. The elite anti-elitests are aunique crowd. My dad hunts with a crossbow due to a bum shoulder. I am very glad the Dr provided him with a special permit so that he may spend more time in the outdoors - not a bow tag or a gun tag. |
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As I was saying before...
For me it's not an issue of technology. If it's available and you want to shoot it, go and shoot it, however; in hunter-congested states I think xbows should be limited to gun hunting areas because of their 'point-and shoot' ability. This isn't to say that walking past an idiot archer with a compound bow in public woods is safer by much, but the person with the compound bow has much more time to think before doing something stupid compared to the same archer(idiot archer in my example)with a crossbow in his hands. |
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I think that i would either buy land or wear myself out knocking on doors to hunt private land before i would set foot onpublic land thathassome idiots there no matter what they are using.
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ORIGINAL: Rory/MO uh oh, i can see this one getting out of hand.[&:] like i said on the first page:eek: |
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ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker Well Guss, I shoot Trad, I shoot Compound, they have the same shot process,and I have shot several X Bows and you or know one else is going to tell me that a X Bow is shot the same as a Recurve or a Compound just to make you feel better. If you are handicaped and can already hunt the whole season with the Xbow all 90 days of it here in Mich, so whats your point! Itis shot like aGun, not like a bow, and you or no one else can change that. It has nothing to do with feeling elite, it is what it is. |
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ORIGINAL: HuntinGUS Well Guss, I shoot Trad, I shoot Compound, they have the same shot process,and I have shot several X Bows and you or know one else is going to tell me that a X Bow is shot the same as a Recurve or a Compound just to make you feel better. Whay do you care what anyone else shoots anyway? If you are handicaped and can already hunt the whole season with the Xbow all 90 days of it here in Mich, so whats your point! Itis shot like aGun, not like a bow, and you or no one else can change that. It has nothing to do with feeling elite, it is what it is Refer to BigJ's post................ I have had this discussion with BigJohn and several others befor and the bottom line is, it is shot like a gun, not like a bow, and no one on here is going to change that! |
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In Texas for years, bowhunters were lumped int the same "general" season. Thanks to strong support by determined bowhunters and organizations like LSBA, we rallied and had a archery only season implemented. Personally I like that 4-5 weeks that we get at he beginning of season. Pressure is lower, deer herds are more relaxed, etc....
Not that I believe there would be a huge influx of additional hunters, but it's more of the part about fighting to get the archery only season. IMO crossbows should be reserved for general season, MLD properties, exotics and elderly or disabled that cannot physically draw a bow. However, to throw another monkey wrench in the plans, Texas Parks & Wildlife in their infinite wisdom decided that the 40# minimum draw weight should be abolished this year. We now have ZERO restrictions on minimum poundage for hunting game in Texas so where dos that leave us? All we ask for is 5 weeks at the beginning of season to be archery only. Texas has very liberal seasons, usually 3 months or more depending the county in which you hunt. Also there the MLD III properties where any legal weapon can be used from Sept 1 to Feb 28 in most parts of the state. Then add to that the fact that we can use any legal weapon to hunt exotic species year round. I personally would like to own a crossbow for hunting pigs and exotics and maybe even deer during general season. But the archery only whitetail season should be left as is IMO. |
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I dont care what they shoot, I just care what season they shoot it in, and have never looked down my nose at any one for shooting one. I have had this discussion with BigJohn and several others befor and the bottom line is, it is shot like a gun, not like a bow, and no one on here is going to change that! |
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The use of Crossbows has been legal in Arkansas for a long time. I hunted with a Crossbow for a few years, and I have the experience and knowledge to speak on this. Is a Crossbow easier than a Compound ??? Yes , a little.... Is a Compound easier thana Recurve ??? Yes, but that in no way makes it easy or negates the basic idea of getting close to a deer and being quiet and scent free.....ect....
A Crossbow has no real advantage over todays Compound bows.... in fact the reverse could be said.... Crossbows are bigger, bulkier, and heavier.... They have no more effective range than a Compound bow.... I can shoot a Compound 50 yards ( doesn't mean I would ) .... My Crossbow was effective to 45 or 50 yards..... As far as the influx of new hunters storming into the Archery season, and taking over ??? A whole bunch of folks said the same thing about the season in Arkansas , and it never happened. Did some new hunters come in ??? Yes ..... ( and thats not a bad thing ) .... Did some existing hunters take up the Crossbow ??? Yes, but their change in the impact of the Archery season was very very minimal ..... and Finally, did the allowing of Crossbows, and the addition of Crossbow hunting , decimate the deer herd, the season, or ruin it for all the other hunters......... NO !!! It is all hype and trying to scare folks. Crossbow hunting being added will not do anything to your State or Season or Herd..... Look here in South Arkansas ........ the deer herd is in better shape than ever, and we have had Crossbow hunting for 25+ years ... with ZERO ill effects or problems. Relax, and enjoy.... God Bless MET |
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...a crossbow is HELD like a rifle but it SHOOTS like a bow. That's how they went from this  To this  |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker Well Guss, I shoot Trad, I shoot Compound, they have the same shot process,and I have shot several X Bows and you or know one else is going to tell me that a X Bow is shot the same as a Recurve or a Compound just to make you feel better. If you are handicaped and can already hunt the whole season with the Xbow all 90 days of it here in Mich, so whats your point! Itis shot like aGun, not like a bow, and you or no one else can change that. It has nothing to do with feeling elite, it is what it is. |
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It really doesn't bother me what season they (crossbows) are put in and they could be put in the gun season or the bow season for all I care. But the plain and simple truth is they are more bow like than firearm. They share the same effective range as a compound, the same energy, the same type of projectile propelled by the exact same means ie: energy in limbs via a string. Other than shouldering it and squeezing a trigger they are nothing like a firearm. Sure they hold their draw but there are devises for compounds that do the exact same thing. Also there are bows on the market with 90% to 99% let off so you can draw well before the deer spots you and hold it there for as long as you can...which is probably longer than you can hold a heavy crossbow without some sort of assistance from a rest. Sure they use a trigger but so do most compounds these days too...other than that there are no similarities...none. A bow (in whatever form) is COMPLETELY different that a firearm......completely.
I don't think it's too unreasonable to understand why some folks think them to be archery tackle. In fact the entire state of Illinois considers them archery tackle becausethey can only be usedduring the archery seasons, use archery tags and the kills are counted as archery kills. So while other states still separate them there are some (like Illinois) who consider them archery tackle. |
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In fact the entire state of Illinois considers them archery tackle... |
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ORIGINAL: Arthur P ...a crossbow is HELD like a rifle but it SHOOTS like a bow. That's how they went from this To this
Time of origination not withstanding:eek:,a crossbow while held like a firearm/rifle shoots like a bow....of any type! Clear enough? :D:D |
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Gus, I dont care what they shoot, I just care what season they shoot it in, and have never looked down my nose at any one for shooting one. I have had this discussion with BigJohn and several others befor and the bottom line is, it is shot like a gun, not like a bow, and no one on here is going to change that! |
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Unfortunately, when their minds are made up, the facts only serve tobreed confusion.[:o]
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ORIGINAL: Arthur P In fact the entire state of Illinois considers them archery tackle... I still owe you Arthur for the whole "chicken or the egg" example though.:D:D Edit: You can add in the NFAS (National Field Archery Society) as well.;) |
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ORIGINAL: Arthur P ...a crossbow is HELD like a rifle but it SHOOTS like a bow. That's how they went from this To this
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It might not matter in some chicken **** state Perhaps you can furnish a list of the non chicken**** states so we can tell where thegreat hunters live. Steve |
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The P&Y doesn't but I guess there bad apples too!! We all have our opinions, respect them!
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ORIGINAL: formula1 Never said they 'must' do it on my terms only they 'should' do it if they are capable. I'm smart enough to realize if its legal its a personal choice. So go ahead and enjoy that 'cheater' bow! Yes, in the eyes of traditional hunters, a compound could be considered a 'cheater' bow as I have stated. I have no problem with them thinking of me that way if they so choose. One of my friends I hunt with shoots traditional gear and I used to myself. I'm not going to anymore as age has caught up with me. Quote:"A man has got to know his limitations!" I know - thats "different":D Steve |
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ORIGINAL: HuntinGUS Gus, I dont care what they shoot, I just care what season they shoot it in, and have never looked down my nose at any one for shooting one. I have had this discussion with BigJohn and several others befor and the bottom line is, it is shot like a gun, not like a bow, and no one on here is going to change that! Fact is that the argument is an individual adgenda..... for folks that want it all to themselves .... first... MET |
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I still owe you Arthur for the whole "chicken or the egg" example though. |
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