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I will admit upfront that I failed to read all the replys before responding to your post krisken, so I apologize in advance if someone else already mentioned this.

1. I think you are merely having a good time, stirring the pot with your post!

2. 342 fps is blazing fast, but it ain`t even close to using one pin to 40 yards without playing hi/low with your pin at either end of the spectrum.

3.Speed can buy you many things, but as in everything else in this world, it comes at a price.

4. No doubt, the light arrows work for you, and it does not surprise me. I personally prefer to slow down to a snails pace(280-290 range) and go with an arrow in the 400gr. area.

Your way works, my way works, and so does the real heavy and slow guys. So pick what you like and practice, practice, practice!

So we are here to stir the pot a little......uuummmm BK2 is not the fastest bow on the planet anymore......that was proven at the ATA show... BM2 holds that honor now. krisken... thats how you stir the pot Penis envy? How did that come into play?[]

I cant speak for all of Fred Bears elephants but he did kill atleast one with " the pod" .

There are others though who have killed elephants with archery tackle and not rely on chemicals to take them down. Howard Hill would be one.

Tree hugger,

Mass is relative to its speed, and speed is relative to how much mass its carrying therefore that 400gr theory would be blown out of the water. It only takes some time with a calculator and some numbers to figure that one out.


Krisken

You can add 200 grains to your arrow regardless how of " fast" your arrow shoots.

I have a couple questions for you.

First, how much bowhunting experience do you have in killing game? Now killing game other then whitetials, well keep in on north america just to humor your penis seeing epidemic [:-] Not trying to challenge you here, just curious and hopefully I get an honest answer back.

Second,

Do you understand the correlation between KE and Mom? It was in a previous post and pretty dang close.

Kinetic energy is the amount of energy that an object has, regardless if its lead, carbon, wood, or the front bumper of a f350, ON IMPACT. KE DOES NOT go on further then this.

Momentum is what takes over after the initial impact.

Now take into the many OTHER variables, that are coherent with each individual setups and trying to calculate just how much penetration you think you SHOULD achieve is mind bogling.

And finally,

NOw that you care to get back to your original question of
as you can see the answer is NO. There are to many variables leading up to " total penetration" that speed is only one minute factor. Even going as far as setting KE restrictions is a lesson in futility.

someday you may have the chance to leave the confines of Ny, when you do, start asking around......there is a reason the folks out west shoot what they do.

It would be logical and mathametically accurate to assume that with each setup there would be an optimum in speed and mass that would provide the best performance ie. penetration. However it would vary with each bow setup/arrow type/archer/draw weight/arrow length/arrow weight/ambient environment when shooting and far too much more to think of. To throw yet another factor into the mixture . . . what about the amount of energy it takes to fling the arrow and nock off the string, or another term that may be negligible but always a factor . . . friction.

As someone said earlier, it is mind blowing.[&:]

Hope you didn' t get hurt when you fell off that stump!

BTW , are you going to the 3rd annual northeast get together? I' ll do whatever I can to make it so I can shoot some 3d with ya.

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You need to tell that to this feller AK. Check out his pics:

http://community.webshots.com/album/62480817RzOwnm


He must be gettin some pretty awesome speed.....

I just borrowed his link....

In my experiences:

Quiet kills.....speed thrills

Krisken,


Upset? Not at all. I' m not sure why you addressed me about name-calling, " penis envy" , or calling you a liar. I think you may have confused my post with someone elses.

Kindly go back, reread it, and edit your response accordingly. Thank you.

JRW

I was trying to be as diplomatic as I could Krisken when I stated my opinion. You came back with a personal slap, so I guess I failed. Now what was it you said about this turning childish. Hmmmm seeems like you did your little part there. Sure makes me want to beleive the claims your making.