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03-01-2003, 08:23 PM
#3
RE: Speed is all you need! (?)
I' ll Bite . . . what good is speed if you don' t have the weight to penetrate.
Light travels at 186,000 miles per second but it can' t penetrate an opaque object without some hole to get through. It is extremely powerful and potentially dangerous . . . but it has No relative MASS.
One could also have a one ton peice of rock but without a velocity acting on it, it will go nowhere and penetrate nothing.
Considering the two scenarios given X Mass and Y velocity and you achieve a force in ft-lbs that is capable of penetarting.
What I am trying to say is that you can have all the speed in the world but without mass, that' s all you have. YOU NEED A COMBINATION OF BOTH TO DO THE JOB!
BTW, I agree with Trapper Dave.
Light travels at 186,000 miles per second but it can' t penetrate an opaque object without some hole to get through. It is extremely powerful and potentially dangerous . . . but it has No relative MASS.
One could also have a one ton peice of rock but without a velocity acting on it, it will go nowhere and penetrate nothing.
Considering the two scenarios given X Mass and Y velocity and you achieve a force in ft-lbs that is capable of penetarting.
What I am trying to say is that you can have all the speed in the world but without mass, that' s all you have. YOU NEED A COMBINATION OF BOTH TO DO THE JOB!
BTW, I agree with Trapper Dave.
03-01-2003, 09:18 PM
#5
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: paragould AR USA
Posts: 259
RE: Speed is all you need! (?)
But with what grain arrow? To acheive that high of a speed your talking some light arrows. 3-D ok....but hunting noway is alight arrow going to make it....Sure youll have your flukes but in time you will have more crippled animals than meat in the freezer. Going out on a limb here ...your a young guy right?
This year I went to a lighter hunting setup ( for more speed) I shoot two deer and recovered both, but....next year I am going to get more weight on my arrows because the penetration was not there like in the past.
This year I went to a lighter hunting setup ( for more speed) I shoot two deer and recovered both, but....next year I am going to get more weight on my arrows because the penetration was not there like in the past.
03-01-2003, 10:19 PM
#7
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: paragould AR USA
Posts: 259
RE: Speed is all you need! (?)
You hunt with 315 grain arrow????????/ WoW I shoot 311 grain for 3-D and wouldnt think abouut using that for hunting And I thought I was to light at 425 grain for hunting BTW at 61# at 425 I am getting 270 fps....But if it works for you then what can I say???/
I checked and only came up with 69 ke for you. Where did I goof????? My badd ...did it again and got 82 ..sorry
And I thought I was to light at 425 grain for hunting BTW at 61# at 425 I am getting 270 fps....But if it works for you then what can I say???/ I checked and only came up with 69 ke for you. Where did I goof????? My badd ...did it again and got 82 ..sorry
03-01-2003, 10:21 PM
#8
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: egypt
Posts: 1,994
RE: Speed is all you need! (?)
its all relative Krisken to the animal at hand.
When you get to chase that moose you have posted by your nick, you will rethink that postion, speed kills.
Look at it with 2 balls, a ping pong ball and a golf ball. What one would you want to be hit by.
All things are not created equal however and in the penetration scheme, there is a ton more then just speed or weight, KE or MOM along that will factor in the total equation of penetration.
And no the trade offs are not worth the minimal gaings.
Btw, you are the perfect candidate for the Natal Test findings.
When you get to chase that moose you have posted by your nick, you will rethink that postion, speed kills.
Look at it with 2 balls, a ping pong ball and a golf ball. What one would you want to be hit by.
All things are not created equal however and in the penetration scheme, there is a ton more then just speed or weight, KE or MOM along that will factor in the total equation of penetration.
And no the trade offs are not worth the minimal gaings.
Btw, you are the perfect candidate for the Natal Test findings.
03-01-2003, 10:50 PM
#9
Nontypical Buck
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Montgomery IL USA
Posts: 1,231
RE: Speed is all you need! (?)
" The benifits of speed : 2 K.E.relative to heavier (slower) arrow "
Ever wonder why in order to hunt dangerous game in Africa, by law, you have to use a heavy arrow (something like 900 grains)? It ain' t because " speed kills" .
" I have 82# K.E. with a 62# BK2 useing a 315gr. arrow @ 342f.p.s."
Speed and Ke figures are good for one thing though...they sure do sell a lot of new bows every year.
JRW
03-01-2003, 11:59 PM
#10
RE: Speed is all you need! (?)
I' m shooting 241 fps @ 67# and a 463 gr arrow. My KE Calculates at 60 ft-lbs and it has done the job every time for me. It is not the resultant of my mass or speed . . . the laws of physics prove that it is a product of the two. If one only considers speed he only has HALF of the equation. You simply cannot have one without the other and still be effective . . . and that is a law of physics that cannot be avoided.
Speed is not what kills! Mass is not what kills! It is and always will be the product of the two that provides penetration.
By the way Kriskin, your arrow would be ILLEGAL here in Washington State. You must have 6 grains of arrow per pound of draw weight.
Speed is not what kills! Mass is not what kills! It is and always will be the product of the two that provides penetration.
By the way Kriskin, your arrow would be ILLEGAL here in Washington State. You must have 6 grains of arrow per pound of draw weight.