First cut on my hunting land...
06-07-2008 | 11:18 PM
#21
Typical Buck
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
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As far as a flusher bar.......would create more problems than it would eliminate. [/blockquote]
Can you elaborate please? i do believe you, but like I said I've never cut hay so I'm not up on the current "hay cutting" info.
As far as a flusher bar.......would create more problems than it would eliminate. [/blockquote]
Can you elaborate please? i do believe you, but like I said I've never cut hay so I'm not up on the current "hay cutting" info.
For such a bar to have any effectiveness, it would tend to lay the hay down making it harder for the swather to get a good cut as well as it being harder to steer clear while turning tight corners. It would also be a hindrance operating on uneven ground and going over terraces where it would be vulnerable to being run in the ground subjecting the whole machine to potential damage.
06-08-2008 | 12:35 AM
#22
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
Ive been around hay cutting and I can assure you it is unintentional. A turkey nest? No way can they be seen...A hen has a job of hiding her nests, and she does a mighty fine job of it.
It is almost always a fawn that gets chopped up from not moving. It causes them problems too, sometimes resulting in broken equipment.
The farmers arent maniacs out chasin down deer in their tractors trying to lay em down, they are just doing their job...farming.
It is almost always a fawn that gets chopped up from not moving. It causes them problems too, sometimes resulting in broken equipment.
The farmers arent maniacs out chasin down deer in their tractors trying to lay em down, they are just doing their job...farming.
06-08-2008 | 05:06 AM
#23
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
we farmed 600 acs for 25 yrs, we did not bail hay but we did bail straw, we never bailed a deer up they don't lay in the wheat, but we did bail rabbits and snakes. As a former farmer I can tell you that wildlife is not the most important thing on the farm, getting crops up and making a profit is , if a deer dies in the process noone is going to lose sleep over it, it's a process and we can stop that.
06-08-2008 | 05:08 AM
#24
Nontypical Buck
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
We have some field down at the farm that are cut every year. The guy that does I know well an hesaid he has hit a few. I knowthat he would not do it intentionally. Believe, its just hard facts that happen when doing that job. Seems like there should besomething that could be done.
06-08-2008 | 07:10 AM
#25
Fork Horn
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
He is not doing it on purpose. It happens, it happened a couple of weeks ago whereI hunt. The farmer was cutting hay and he ran over a fawn, he can't see them. One got away he said. We do not drive in the fields ever because it reduces his crop and encourages others to drive there also. He also asks me and my Dad to patrol the fields and throw anyone off we find riding in the fields and we do. On my Dad's land we just stick to the driving paths when we have to drive on the property. We have people there planting crops for hay, it helps them and it helps us with taxes. It is good for the wildlife too. Try to get along so you don't loose out. Good luck
06-08-2008 | 10:12 AM
#26
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
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ORIGINAL: jackflap
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X2.Farmers are not known to be the greatest conservationist.I guess thats why they let us hunt,to protect their crops.IMO
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While there are exceptions to everything, as a general rule, your statement couldn't be farther from the truth. There are no BETTER conservationist and environmentalists that farmers and ranchers who depend on the land for their livelihood.
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Original:Buckmaster
They depend on the land for their crops, Im sure a farmer, would be perfectly sastified if he went one year without crop damage due to deer.
I think thats what he was getting at.
ORIGINAL: jackflap
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X2.Farmers are not known to be the greatest conservationist.I guess thats why they let us hunt,to protect their crops.IMO
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While there are exceptions to everything, as a general rule, your statement couldn't be farther from the truth. There are no BETTER conservationist and environmentalists that farmers and ranchers who depend on the land for their livelihood.
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Original:Buckmaster
They depend on the land for their crops, Im sure a farmer, would be perfectly sastified if he went one year without crop damage due to deer.
I think thats what he was getting at.
06-08-2008 | 11:49 AM
#27
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
Let me qualify as saying it would create more problems for the hay cutter than the occasional and most likely infrequent fawn.
For such a bar to have any effectiveness, it would tend to lay the hay down making it harder for the swather to get a good cut as well as it being harder to steer clear while turning tight corners. It would also be a hindrance operating on uneven ground and going over terraces where it would be vulnerable to being run in the ground subjecting the whole machine to potential damage.
For such a bar to have any effectiveness, it would tend to lay the hay down making it harder for the swather to get a good cut as well as it being harder to steer clear while turning tight corners. It would also be a hindrance operating on uneven ground and going over terraces where it would be vulnerable to being run in the ground subjecting the whole machine to potential damage.
It happens, unfortunately.
06-08-2008 | 11:58 AM
#28
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
ORIGINAL: OKbowhunter20
I've worked for the same farmer for 5 years, and I love the fact that I get work the ground on some of the same places I hunt. Ive been cutting wheat the past 2 weeks and just a couple days ago my boss whopped a turkey on the head with the reel of his header. He wasn't slowing down. Farmers haveajob to do, and that is all that is on their mind. Even ifthis guyisabig hunter, Ill bet wildlife comes second to getting the crops out of the field. Thats just a part of the business, really. Ive noticed tons of spots in the wheat where deer and other animals have been bedding down in it. We mowed right over them.
Honestly, If he saw a fawn in the hay, he could probably stop for it. But usually I doubt he notices it, andI doubt he wants to eat one up.Turkey nest? I doubt a farmer can justify leaving part of his crop standing in the fieldfor a bird nest. JMO.
I dont want to sound like Im against you, cuz I can definatly see where your coming from. I often think just how much better the hunting could be on some of my places just from very little effort from the farmers, but thats not what they are thinking about and its something we have to deal with. Just trying to throw in the farmers perspective.
Good luck with this guy. I hope yall can figure something so its works for both of you.
I've worked for the same farmer for 5 years, and I love the fact that I get work the ground on some of the same places I hunt. Ive been cutting wheat the past 2 weeks and just a couple days ago my boss whopped a turkey on the head with the reel of his header. He wasn't slowing down. Farmers haveajob to do, and that is all that is on their mind. Even ifthis guyisabig hunter, Ill bet wildlife comes second to getting the crops out of the field. Thats just a part of the business, really. Ive noticed tons of spots in the wheat where deer and other animals have been bedding down in it. We mowed right over them.
Honestly, If he saw a fawn in the hay, he could probably stop for it. But usually I doubt he notices it, andI doubt he wants to eat one up.Turkey nest? I doubt a farmer can justify leaving part of his crop standing in the fieldfor a bird nest. JMO.
I dont want to sound like Im against you, cuz I can definatly see where your coming from. I often think just how much better the hunting could be on some of my places just from very little effort from the farmers, but thats not what they are thinking about and its something we have to deal with. Just trying to throw in the farmers perspective.
Good luck with this guy. I hope yall can figure something so its works for both of you.
06-08-2008 | 12:49 PM
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RE: First cut on my hunting land...
I have a buddy that bails hay and hits turkeys all the time. I know he has hit at least three this year already. By the time they see them it is usually just feathers flying. Not really much they can do, but he has raised some wild turkeys in the past when he killed a hen. He says he can't just leave eggs out in the field when they are close to hatching, so he puts them in a chicken coop and let's them run there course. As soon as there big enough he took them back out into the woods and let them go. I guess he wanted to have something to shoot later.
