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#81
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ORIGINAL: Lubricious
Should compounds have a seperate season than traditionals? Totally different class of archery....
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
I would still like to see them put in thier own season as its a totally different class of weapon compared to compound, recurve or longbow.
I guarantee I can make shots with a crossbow, I can't with a bow. You don't have have to stand, just use a gunrest.
I would still like to see them put in thier own season as its a totally different class of weapon compared to compound, recurve or longbow.
I guarantee I can make shots with a crossbow, I can't with a bow. You don't have have to stand, just use a gunrest.
Should compounds have a seperate season than traditionals? Totally different class of archery....
#82
Thanx bigcountry
. . .Swamp, Lub., Rockinchair. . I don't know what to tell you guys. . . I'm not trying to light a fire under anyones arse, but it is what it is. . .yes, I have been present for quite a few CB kills.No, I don't know how fastan average bolt travels. . .or the K E on impact. . .but I can tell you that it doesn't take a genius or a scientific formula to see that they arefaster and at least as powerfull as our compounds. . .all you gotta do is shoot one
. Once again, I'm not saying they're "wrong" and damning those who choose to hunt with them . . .I'm just not convinced that theybelong in a 4 month long archery seasonwithout special consideration while having people blow smoke up my rear bytrying to convince that the playing field is level.That's ABSOLUTELY ridiculous [8D]
. . .Swamp, Lub., Rockinchair. . I don't know what to tell you guys. . . I'm not trying to light a fire under anyones arse, but it is what it is. . .yes, I have been present for quite a few CB kills.No, I don't know how fastan average bolt travels. . .or the K E on impact. . .but I can tell you that it doesn't take a genius or a scientific formula to see that they arefaster and at least as powerfull as our compounds. . .all you gotta do is shoot one
. Once again, I'm not saying they're "wrong" and damning those who choose to hunt with them . . .I'm just not convinced that theybelong in a 4 month long archery seasonwithout special consideration while having people blow smoke up my rear bytrying to convince that the playing field is level.That's ABSOLUTELY ridiculous [8D]
#83
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
So your comparing a entry level crossbow to top of thier game level compounds? How about coming down to reality and comparing a 255fps PSE to your 320fps horton
ORIGINAL: RockinChair
My crossbow, the Horton Hunter is the top Horton model and it shoots ARROWS at a speed of up to 320 fps. The 82nd and 101st Airborne are advertised at shooting 330-340 fps. Now I'm no math major but I think that compound is shooting a bit faster.
Granted the difference is in KE .. my Hunter has 95 lbs. of KE compared to 70 or so with a compound. But it gets there not faster than a compound and in some cases much slower.
My crossbow, the Horton Hunter is the top Horton model and it shoots ARROWS at a speed of up to 320 fps. The 82nd and 101st Airborne are advertised at shooting 330-340 fps. Now I'm no math major but I think that compound is shooting a bit faster.
Granted the difference is in KE .. my Hunter has 95 lbs. of KE compared to 70 or so with a compound. But it gets there not faster than a compound and in some cases much slower.
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
So you don't believe its a monster advantage not having to hold on a deer? You really believe that? Thats almost everything. I suggest you hunt with a compound and find the difference.
ORIGINAL: RockinChair
Cleary you haven't hunted with one. I just started a thread in the crossbow forum about the unique challenges that crossbow hunters face. I encourage you to take a look and think you'll soon realize that they are far differnt from a gun.
The only advantage a crossbow presents to the hunter is the luxury of not having to draw. And while I realize that is a major difference.. the disadvantages presented to crossbow hunters level the playing field IMO.
ORIGINAL: Schultzy
There soon to be legal every where. Here in Minnesota you can use them during the Archery season if you qualify for a permit (health reasons). Otherwise during the gun season there legal to use. I'm not a big pusher for crossbows, there not a bow by any means in my book. Keep them in the gun season if there going to be made legal and keep them out of the Archery season. There more of a gun then a bow to me.
There soon to be legal every where. Here in Minnesota you can use them during the Archery season if you qualify for a permit (health reasons). Otherwise during the gun season there legal to use. I'm not a big pusher for crossbows, there not a bow by any means in my book. Keep them in the gun season if there going to be made legal and keep them out of the Archery season. There more of a gun then a bow to me.
The only advantage a crossbow presents to the hunter is the luxury of not having to draw. And while I realize that is a major difference.. the disadvantages presented to crossbow hunters level the playing field IMO.
I've shot a compound before so I know what it takes to have to hold on a deer. Its like SwampCollie ssaid.. most of these anti-crossbow statements are made out of pure ignorance.
#84
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
At first glance, I would say, yes, lets do it. But that would be my own selfish reasons, because I love trad bows. But compounds are a bow, crossbows are still not considered a bow in most circles. In my experience, your biggest hurdle in making a shot is staying steady and form. Niether of those are a factor with crossbows. Anyone that denies this, has no experience.
ORIGINAL: Lubricious
Should compounds have a seperate season than traditionals? Totally different class of archery....
ORIGINAL: bigcountry
I would still like to see them put in thier own season as its a totally different class of weapon compared to compound, recurve or longbow.
I guarantee I can make shots with a crossbow, I can't with a bow. You don't have have to stand, just use a gunrest.
I would still like to see them put in thier own season as its a totally different class of weapon compared to compound, recurve or longbow.
I guarantee I can make shots with a crossbow, I can't with a bow. You don't have have to stand, just use a gunrest.
Should compounds have a seperate season than traditionals? Totally different class of archery....
That's why crossbow hunters have to practice similar in ways to a compound. Finding a smooth trigger pull and pure follow through will greatly increase your accuracy just like shooting compounds.
#85
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ORIGINAL: RockinChair
That's why crossbow hunters have to practice similar in ways to a compound. Finding a smooth trigger pull and pure follow through will greatly increase your accuracy just like shooting compounds.
That's why crossbow hunters have to practice similar in ways to a compound. Finding a smooth trigger pull and pure follow through will greatly increase your accuracy just like shooting compounds.
I am done with this thread. Totally rediculus.
#86
In my experience, your biggest hurdle in making a shot is staying steady and form. Niether of those are a factor with crossbows. Anyone that denies this, has no experience.
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"I have to slightly disagree with you on this one. It may appear that with a crossbow you just pull the trigger as you would a gun and to some extent thats true. However, having a pure and solid follow through with a crossbow affects your shooting. If you just yank the trigger and jerk your head up to see where the ARROW went then you're going to have poor shot placement."
That's why crossbow hunters have to practice similar in ways to a compound. Finding a smooth trigger pull and pure follow through will greatly increase your accuracy just like shooting compounds.
[/quote] Seriously????. . . so you're telling me thatthere's a degree of difficulty and acomparison tocompound bows because you have topull the trigger and follow through as opposed to yanking it andlifting your head up???. . .Dude, have you EVER shot a rifle?? . .how about a shotgun?. . .hell, how about a BB gun??? You've made my point for me
. . .shooting a CB is like shooting a gun. It's easier, which is why it is heavily REGULATED in MOST states. Shooting a compound bow is like. . . . well, shooting a compound bow [8D]
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"I have to slightly disagree with you on this one. It may appear that with a crossbow you just pull the trigger as you would a gun and to some extent thats true. However, having a pure and solid follow through with a crossbow affects your shooting. If you just yank the trigger and jerk your head up to see where the ARROW went then you're going to have poor shot placement."
That's why crossbow hunters have to practice similar in ways to a compound. Finding a smooth trigger pull and pure follow through will greatly increase your accuracy just like shooting compounds.
[/quote] Seriously????. . . so you're telling me thatthere's a degree of difficulty and acomparison tocompound bows because you have topull the trigger and follow through as opposed to yanking it andlifting your head up???. . .Dude, have you EVER shot a rifle?? . .how about a shotgun?. . .hell, how about a BB gun??? You've made my point for me
. . .shooting a CB is like shooting a gun. It's easier, which is why it is heavily REGULATED in MOST states. Shooting a compound bow is like. . . . well, shooting a compound bow [8D]
#87
ORIGINAL: joshw020
In my experience, your biggest hurdle in making a shot is staying steady and form. Niether of those are a factor with crossbows. Anyone that denies this, has no experience.
In my experience, your biggest hurdle in making a shot is staying steady and form. Niether of those are a factor with crossbows. Anyone that denies this, has no experience.
That's why crossbow hunters have to practice similar in ways to a compound. Finding a smooth trigger pull and pure follow through will greatly increase your accuracy just like shooting compounds.
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Seriously????. . . so you're telling me thatthere's a degree of difficulty and acomparison tocompound bows because you have topull the trigger and follow through as opposed to yanking it andlifting your head up???. . .Dude, have you EVER shot a rifle?? . .how about a shotgun?. . .hell, how about a BB gun??? You've made my point for me
. . .shooting a CB is like shooting a gun. It's easier, which is why it is heavily REGULATED in MOST states. Shooting a compound bow is like. . . . well, shooting a compound bow [8D][/quote]
#88
There is certainly an advantage to crossbows, however, there are some disadvantages as well. I crossbow isn't nearly as efficient, and is quite loud compared to a compound bow, making for a little more "hairy" risk when shooting at a little longer distance. While a Crossbow is a "Ready-to-shoot" weapon, it's also a weapon that regardless of brand of model WILL have some trajectory that the shooter must be capable of dealing with, which certainly makes it more difficult than a gun, but still not the same as a compound or traditional bow. I believe crossbows have their place in hunting, however, I advocate their use more for youth, women, and disabled individuals.
#89
As aCB owner and ex-CB shooter I have to say I don't believe "follow through" even comes into play reguarding the accuracy of a CB. I say this because I don't think most CB shooters shoot off hand. Every deer I killed (13) with my CB, I was "resting" on something.I know when I practiced, I always "rested" my CB to achieve my best accuracy. This is because a SCOPE was involved. Who do you know who sights in a rifle off hand? Nobody!This being said, I had much better accuracy and consistancy shootig my CB compared to my compound. There are two seperate shooting "forms" we're talking about here.
#90
Typical Buck
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I've nothing against crossbows, might even get one here in the next few years, but as they become more and more popular, they should work into their own season. Calling a crossbow "archery" equipment is the equivalent of calling a in-line 150 yard shooting muzzleloader a "traditional" weapon. A crossbow compared to a compound is like an in-line compared to a flintlock.


