What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
03-31-2008 | 03:51 PM
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer.
First off.....by the time this fawn makes it through the hunting season.....it's going to take as much food to sustain that animal as it would an adult doe (or nearly as much). So.....let's say you have a pasture for your horses.....and it's 15 acres. You can graze 3 in there all year long and not run out of grass. Now what would happen if you put 10 more in there? Now what are they going to graze on?
It's legal to kill fawns here for several reasons. No. 1.....there's NOTHING wrong with killing one. No. 2....in areas that are overpopulated....and tags are abundant (Hmmmm wonder why the tags are abundant???)....it IS the moral thing to do. Fawns are the weakest of the species and in many US regions......they're the first to die off in harsh winters. Whats more ethical? Kill them via hunters or let the predators, disease and starvation/exposure kill them?
It's not like we (hunters) are particularly "targeting" fawns.....but I killed two last year (I believe)....and I know I killed a piebald fawn in 2006. Are they "trophies"? OK......Yeah.....I think any deer taken with a bow is. DO I post up those photos? Nope (other than the piebald).
Many in the US wouldn't approve of the way Europe views nudity.......but it's mostly because they don't understand your somewhat different outlook on this.....andalso because they're just archaic prudes.
You don't have to agree with our hunting laws. You don't have to obey them. But if you don't understand them......isn't it a littleignorant to pass judgement on them?
03-31-2008 | 03:51 PM
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
You got it I call2much
, look, I have no problem with someone not shooting a fawn, I shoot one or two a year, most of the time I shoot any antlerless deer when the urge hits me, doesn't alwaysend up being a fawn. or vice versa. I will try to make 100% sure it is not a button, because I do believe in letting some areas get bucks old enough to reach their full potential. I have a lease where I won't shoot any small bucks and I will shoot 2-6 does a year. I have another place that is being bulldozed by the day, if I have not taken an animal all year, the first one that gives me a shot will get it, including spikes and 4 pts etc... this is the only place I do this, Im doing my part for herd control. Good talk and nice to talk with someone on here that doesn't want to meet at Mcdonalds around the corner to settle it!!
, look, I have no problem with someone not shooting a fawn, I shoot one or two a year, most of the time I shoot any antlerless deer when the urge hits me, doesn't alwaysend up being a fawn. or vice versa. I will try to make 100% sure it is not a button, because I do believe in letting some areas get bucks old enough to reach their full potential. I have a lease where I won't shoot any small bucks and I will shoot 2-6 does a year. I have another place that is being bulldozed by the day, if I have not taken an animal all year, the first one that gives me a shot will get it, including spikes and 4 pts etc... this is the only place I do this, Im doing my part for herd control. Good talk and nice to talk with someone on here that doesn't want to meet at Mcdonalds around the corner to settle it!!
03-31-2008 | 03:52 PM
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
Yeah you're right. I guess since I have less than 5,000 posts or been a member of this site forless than a year I couldn't possibly be intelligent enough to understand the intricasies of this forum. I guess you could liken me to one of those doe fawns. Trust me, getting personally involved in a faceless arena where there are no repercussions for ones actions or comments other than someone who wants to impose their views on my lifestyle by criticizing mine, is the last thing I would ever do.
Keep on ebbing bro.
Yours truly, the new guy.
Keep on ebbing bro.
Yours truly, the new guy.
ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d
Well I certainly didn't read 14 pages worth of responses as the topic really doesn't interest me. But I haven't really seen anything out of line in the few I have read.
It's like any topic there are tose that do this and those that do that..thats a forum for ya..anything else is a Post and ten people saying ."Yep"
I see your kinda new Loogout...learn the ebb and flow of the board and don't get so personally involved.
ORIGINAL: loogout1
This thread may be the single most obvious example of self-righteous, pat myself on the back cause I do it this way, I've ever seen on here. What arguement could anyone of you have ifit's being done legally?All of a sudden the guys who dont do it are the ethics police for the guys who do and vice versa? Unbelievable. Somewhere along the way I read the word selfish in regards to shooting a doe fawn, seriously? I hope not. Why bother to shoot that 1.5 or that 2.5 then. What, it's ok since they have had more life experience? We're talking about deer here. You wouldn't think the Bambi syndrome would be alive and well in hunters but here it is. Blast away, but all those who criticize the other side on this, no matter what side you're on, are wrong.
This thread may be the single most obvious example of self-righteous, pat myself on the back cause I do it this way, I've ever seen on here. What arguement could anyone of you have ifit's being done legally?All of a sudden the guys who dont do it are the ethics police for the guys who do and vice versa? Unbelievable. Somewhere along the way I read the word selfish in regards to shooting a doe fawn, seriously? I hope not. Why bother to shoot that 1.5 or that 2.5 then. What, it's ok since they have had more life experience? We're talking about deer here. You wouldn't think the Bambi syndrome would be alive and well in hunters but here it is. Blast away, but all those who criticize the other side on this, no matter what side you're on, are wrong.
It's like any topic there are tose that do this and those that do that..thats a forum for ya..anything else is a Post and ten people saying ."Yep"
I see your kinda new Loogout...learn the ebb and flow of the board and don't get so personally involved.
03-31-2008 | 03:58 PM
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Well let me tell you RG.
First off.....by the time this fawn makes it through the hunting season.....it's going to take as much food to sustain that animal as it would an adult doe (or nearly as much). So.....let's say you have a pasture for your horses.....and it's 15 acres. You can graze 3 in there all year long and not run out of grass. Now what would happen if you put 10 more in there? Now what are they going to graze on?
It's legal to kill fawns here for several reasons. No. 1.....there's NOTHING wrong with killing one. No. 2....in areas that are overpopulated....and tags are abundant (Hmmmm wonder why the tags are abundant???)....it IS the moral thing to do. Fawns are the weakest of the species and in many US regions......they're the first to die off in harsh winters. Whats more ethical? Kill them via hunters or let the predators, disease and starvation/exposure kill them?
It's not like we (hunters) are particularly "targeting" fawns.....but I killed two last year (I believe)....and I know I killed a piebald fawn in 2006. Are they "trophies"? OK......Yeah.....I think any deer taken with a bow is. DO I post up those photos? Nope (other than the piebald).
Many in the US wouldn't approve of the way Europe views nudity.......but it's mostly because they don't understand your somewhat different outlook on this.....andalso because they're just archaic prudes.
You don't have to agree with our hunting laws. You don't have to obey them. But if you don't understand them......isn't it a littleignorant to pass judgement on them?
I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer.
First off.....by the time this fawn makes it through the hunting season.....it's going to take as much food to sustain that animal as it would an adult doe (or nearly as much). So.....let's say you have a pasture for your horses.....and it's 15 acres. You can graze 3 in there all year long and not run out of grass. Now what would happen if you put 10 more in there? Now what are they going to graze on?
It's legal to kill fawns here for several reasons. No. 1.....there's NOTHING wrong with killing one. No. 2....in areas that are overpopulated....and tags are abundant (Hmmmm wonder why the tags are abundant???)....it IS the moral thing to do. Fawns are the weakest of the species and in many US regions......they're the first to die off in harsh winters. Whats more ethical? Kill them via hunters or let the predators, disease and starvation/exposure kill them?
It's not like we (hunters) are particularly "targeting" fawns.....but I killed two last year (I believe)....and I know I killed a piebald fawn in 2006. Are they "trophies"? OK......Yeah.....I think any deer taken with a bow is. DO I post up those photos? Nope (other than the piebald).
Many in the US wouldn't approve of the way Europe views nudity.......but it's mostly because they don't understand your somewhat different outlook on this.....andalso because they're just archaic prudes.
You don't have to agree with our hunting laws. You don't have to obey them. But if you don't understand them......isn't it a littleignorant to pass judgement on them?
All I was saying was that i felt it was wrong to kill a fawn, that was just my opnion, but if it has to be done then i have to accept it. Thats life.
03-31-2008 | 04:04 PM
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
He is studying aircraft and mechanical engineering degree here in Glasgow. I wanted to date someone from another country and I thought southern would be interesting
03-31-2008 | 04:08 PM
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer. I guess we're a different kind of people here.
) Is one deer's life more important than 2 others? Let's say I let that doe fawn pass......and she is bred, late. Now....not only is there another deer out there eating from the day I let it pass, forward. But....it's also giving birth to an inferior deer that will also be competing with all the others for the same food. Around here.....come late Oct......the browse line here is non-existent from 6' down.We have too many deer, here (where I live). If I hunted exactly as I wanted to (which I may, one day).....I won't take them, either (fawns). But I now why they NEED taking in many areas.....and I understand why some people prefer to eat them.
For the record.....they're super tasty!
03-31-2008 | 04:12 PM
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RE: What would it take to make you kill a doe fawn?
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
What kind of people are ya??(I'm joking) Is one deer's life more important than 2 others? Let's say I let that doe fawn pass......and she is bred, late. Now....not only is there another deer out there eating from the day I let it pass, forward. But....it's also giving birth to an inferior deer that will also be competing with all the others for the same food. Around here.....come late Oct......the browse line here is non-existent from 6' down.
We have too many deer, here (where I live). If I hunted exactly as I wanted to (which I may, one day).....I won't take them, either (fawns). But I now why they NEED taking in many areas.....and I understand why some people prefer to eat them.
For the record.....they're super tasty!
I don't know, I mean I just can't fathom why someone would kill a baby deer. I guess we're a different kind of people here.
) Is one deer's life more important than 2 others? Let's say I let that doe fawn pass......and she is bred, late. Now....not only is there another deer out there eating from the day I let it pass, forward. But....it's also giving birth to an inferior deer that will also be competing with all the others for the same food. Around here.....come late Oct......the browse line here is non-existent from 6' down.We have too many deer, here (where I live). If I hunted exactly as I wanted to (which I may, one day).....I won't take them, either (fawns). But I now why they NEED taking in many areas.....and I understand why some people prefer to eat them.
For the record.....they're super tasty!
I can't wait till i go bowhunting in November, there have been nice 12pt bucks hanging around his land and his dad got a few last year. Im excited.
Well its been nice talking you yall im off to bed its 12 midnight and im working tomorrow.
G'night gents.