I ride on them!

Silverflicker

One winter Tylerand I quit counting after hitting 300 pluswinter killed fawns while shed hunting. If we would have kept counting... the number would have been close to twice that. The coyotes couldn'teat them all and most rotted that spring. I kept thinking what a waste. Granted it was a badwinter but itis not auncommon to find50 -100during tough winters. Since" most " hunterswill not kill a fawn... there are a lot running around towards the end of bow season.If I have a tagthat late in the seasonthen doe fawns are fairgame. One less possiblewinter kill that goes to waste.

Read the post I quoted above. Troy is a great friend which I respect and mean no disrespect. If it were me in a low population situation likeTroy's... I wouldn't shoot a mature doe period.I would rather shoot a doefawn all though I doubt I would even do that.A fawnis less likely tosurvive due to the reasonsTroy listed. Amature doe is more likely to survive winter/predators to producefawns the next year. Too mepassing a mature doe at all costsis good for a low population. I wouldn't bank on the fawn.

I've got my reasons... you, Troy and everyone else has theirs. Really is no right and wrong.

Tim

hmmm...I don't try to justify my reasons and certainly don't look for support on this or any other forum. Like I said...I go to the woods to kill a deer, I have a tag, a doe fawn (which some bio's feel is the best target for overall health of the herd) walks into range. That all looks like a reason to shoot it to me.

But, I do find it comical when guys like you come on a public forum and tell others what they do shouldn't be done because you don't agree with it. I am sure all of us bambi killers will take your edict to heart this fall, that only rookie and novices should kill a fawn.

I don't know where you hunt, but somehow in my 30 years of calling myself a deer hunter, I have yet to have any deer of any age follow me to my stand. I won't sit here and tell you a fawn is a challenge, but I will tell you that I stand to loose permission on some of my places if the landowner found out I passed up any antlerless deer.

I have also seen the winter kills up here Tim, But it was back when our deer numbers were highand years with extremely bad winters when the snow had froze to ice and the browse lines were eaten up so high they could not get tofood standing on their hind legs. But those years are long gone here.
My post was not to offend anyone that sees reason to shoot young deer, but to make a point that an open public forum is no place to boast about killing Bambi or a place to look for justification in doing so. If anyone took time to look through my posts they would see most of them is me giving my congrats to those that have posted pic's of yes even button bucks.
I was going to ignore this thread completely till it hit 20 pages and figured it was just a matter of time till some uncle Ted wannabe posted a picture of a 30 pounder cut in half with a Rage.

I have a hard enough time with the non hunting public justifying our bow season.

Thanks for the polite post Tim, like you said there is no right or wrong, but there is a time and place for such things and I dont see this being it.

I don't shoot fawns, one button buck/doe fawn confusion, though I can tell the difference typically. But you never know, also they're just so tiny, I'd much rather shoot a mature doe, I shoot big bucks, and does, maybe a management buck.

I see were you are coming from now. I've alway enjoyed your posts and that one caught me by surprise. Thanks for the reply to clarify!!

Tim

shoot it first (making sure its not a button buck of course) then worry about the morality of it later... venison is venison and I could always use more meat in the freezer...

Well you posted on this one twice!
Robin, Robin, for you I will repeat my last sentence.
Shoot what you must, but take a moment to think about what you post!
Lets see where do I start,
Well heck If I had a doe fawn tag from a Bio I guess I would shoot one too! Give me a Hint, Large tract of QDM or high fence?
Now I did not tell you or anyone else not to shoot a fawn, as a matter of factI gave a few good reasons to shoot one that you chose to belittle me with.
As far as where I have hunted Mi, Md, Va, NC, SC, Ga, Al, Ky and Kansas and have had invites from several well known bowhunters over the years for other states but there is only so much of me to go around, so take your pick.

Im Glad you think I am comical, we all need a good laugh in the off season, but now its my turn. I was LMAO when you said you had 30 years deer hunting experience and never called a fawn in and have it fallow you to your stand, I have done this several times, called a 6pt to me on the way to the stand I had to throw a stick at to get rid of, ran into a 8 and 9pt on different occasions and called them back to put an arrow in, almost got Hunched By a monster Buck in Kansas I ran into going to the stand that I called back to me, would have taged him but had no tines off one of his main beams. So I got quite a chuckel out of your post also.
But then maybe thats why I was writing magazine articles and on a bowhunting staff when you still had suction cups on the end of your arrows.

Tell ya what, because I am a nice guy, you learn how to post polite on this forum without calling someone a comic or a lier and when I get moved back to Kansas this year give me a PM, and I will teach you grasshopper!

That is of course if you promise not to shoot the first one with spots, milk on its lips, or a tit in its mouth.

Sliverflicker, with all due respect sir, your deer pops are far different from ours here in the south. Where I hunt in southeast Va, the deer are lossing land by the minute. They are overcrowded here, we live so close to the coast and the coast is so highly populated with people, they are stretching west in this area. Houses and businesses are spreading like wildfire, Im doing them justice by shooting fawns, trust me, when you see 20+ deer in someones yard and the deer are running up and down the asphalt streets in your neighborhoods, something needs to be done. Let me say, I do not target fawns, anywhere, but I will shoot one or two in these high density areas every year. I do not feel bad or proud really, it's part of doing what we do as hunters. I understand about saying they are tasty etc... I said it and I mean it. PETA is not going to feel any different about it if I don't say that..