Even if you did......
03-20-2008 | 12:20 PM
#141
Nontypical Buck
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From: Northern Idaho's Panhandle
RE: Even if you did......
ORIGINAL: rybohunter
Page 14, I'm just able to get online, no way I'm reading all this.
To answer the original question some guys would do better on someone else's land and other's wouldn't come anywhere close.
There's a few guys on here that would do very well regardless of where they went, there are others who wouldn't do diddly if you turned them loose on 100 acres of prime Iowa land.
Page 14, I'm just able to get online, no way I'm reading all this.
To answer the original question some guys would do better on someone else's land and other's wouldn't come anywhere close.
There's a few guys on here that would do very well regardless of where they went, there are others who wouldn't do diddly if you turned them loose on 100 acres of prime Iowa land.
03-20-2008 | 12:22 PM
#143
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Even if you did......
Even if you were able to hunt someone elses (HNIer) spot, could you really expect the same results?
[ol][*]If the person is a better hunter.Nope[*]If were are equals. Sure I would.[*]If he's not good hunter, he's going to be asking where did you killl that.[/ol]
03-20-2008 | 12:23 PM
#144
Nontypical Buck
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From: Sturgis, SD
RE: Even if you did......
ORIGINAL: BigJ71
Simple.....no
Why? Well even if it were an equal learning curve the fact still remains that some hunters ARE indeed better than others...sorry but this is true. I know of some hunters that have been at it longer than I that couldn't hunt their way out of a zoo and I also know others who are much younger and have less experience than I who just seem to "get it" and are successful hunters............And we all hunt the same land.
So, no even if I were able to hunt another HNIer's land I would never EXPECT the same results. Mine might be better and they might be worse, no matter how long I hunted it.
ORIGINAL: GregH
Even if you were able to hunt someone elses (HNIer) spot, could you really expect the same results? Why or why not!
Even if you were able to hunt someone elses (HNIer) spot, could you really expect the same results? Why or why not!
Why? Well even if it were an equal learning curve the fact still remains that some hunters ARE indeed better than others...sorry but this is true. I know of some hunters that have been at it longer than I that couldn't hunt their way out of a zoo and I also know others who are much younger and have less experience than I who just seem to "get it" and are successful hunters............And we all hunt the same land.
So, no even if I were able to hunt another HNIer's land I would never EXPECT the same results. Mine might be better and they might be worse, no matter how long I hunted it.
I think to answerMatt's question, youneedto know, "Did you kill a P&Y buck?"
The guys that are killing big bucks every year are above average hunters. I don't care if they live in the middle of the big boys, they are still getting them on the ground year in and year out. How many licensed bowhutners are there in Illinois? What it the success rate for bowhunters? According to the logic in this thread everyone living in the state should take a P&Y deer every year, end of discussion.I would bet guys that hunt the same public land the Chuck Adams shoots world record critters on would tell you that type of animal doesn't exist in their area.
Were it really that easy to slay monster deer year in and year out 95% of this board would move to Illinois and have a TV show. Mature whitetails are hard to kill bottom line. You can read all the magazines books, and TV shows in the world but unfortunately this isn't a spectator sport. Like most things, much easier said than done.
Were everythin equal we would call it socialism. Been tried, doesn't work, why? All is not equal, never has been and never will be. Some are better at this than others.
03-20-2008 | 12:23 PM
#145
Site Bouncer
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From: Illinois
RE: Even if you did......
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Only my opinion, Charlie....but I think there are many other factors:
1. Woods sense
2. Maturity
3. Patience
4. Knowledge of quarry (which can be learned in amny different manners)
5. Familiarity with quarry (how it reacts in the wild)
6. Proficiency with equipment
7. Equipment, itself (to a degree)
8. Dedication to details (scent control, entrance/exit, etc...)
9. Etc...
10.Etc...
11.Etc...
The list goes on.
And what makes a learning curve, experiences right, Jeff ?
1. Woods sense
2. Maturity
3. Patience
4. Knowledge of quarry (which can be learned in amny different manners)
5. Familiarity with quarry (how it reacts in the wild)
6. Proficiency with equipment
7. Equipment, itself (to a degree)
8. Dedication to details (scent control, entrance/exit, etc...)
9. Etc...
10.Etc...
11.Etc...
The list goes on.
Example: When I was drafted into the NFL there were A LOT of players trying to make it in the pro's ALL were good players and for the most part ALL tried their hardest and trained very diligently in the off season. In my eyes they ALL seemed like great players especially on the offensive line where I played. I mean it was a "who's who" for collegiate all Americans during my mini camp at Denver.
Yet I made it and others didn't. Not to be boastful but I was just a better player than some. We ALL knew the mechanics of pass blocking and run blocking most of us had bee at it for yearsbut some just did it better than others. Sure I know politics and economics play a big part in the selection I'm not naive. But in the end, for the most part (and this is especially true in College) the best players made the team while the others got a corn dog and a road map. All were GREAT players.......some were just better.
Same holds true for hunting some are just better hunters, they just are and for some...no matter how hard they try, how hard they study their game, how hard they try to become proficient with their equipment, how hard the work on their patience, wood sense and attention to detail, they STILL won't be as good as some.
03-20-2008 | 12:24 PM
#148
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Even if you did......
Jeff, Aren't you the same guy that stated that your three years of hunting is the same as some guys that have hunted ten years because of the time you put in and the amount of deer you've killed?
Wait how stupid of me.
Your right Jeff.
03-20-2008 | 12:26 PM
#149
Nontypical Buck
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From: Sturgis, SD
RE: Even if you did......
ORIGINAL: BigJ71
Jeff, I made bold some of your examples to show you that sometimes people just will never excel in these areas (for what ever reason) and believe me it's not from a lack of trying, some just aren't as good a hunter. Because of this you can never expect one hunter to do the same as another no matter how long they hunted a certain area.
Example: When I was drafted into the NFL there were A LOT of players trying to make it in the pro's ALL were good players and for the most part ALL tried their hardest and trained very diligently in the off season. In my eyes they ALL seemed like great players especially on the offensive line where I played. I mean it was a "who's who" for collegiate all Americans during my mini camp at Denver.
Yet I made it and others didn't. Not to be boastful but I was just a better player than some. We ALL knew the mechanics of pass blocking and run blocking most of us had bee at it for yearsbut some just did it better than others. Sure I know politics and economics play a big part in the selection I'm not naive. But in the end, for the most part (and this is especially true in College) the best players made the team while the others got a corn dog and a road map. All were GREAT players.......some were just better.
Same holds true for hunting some are just better hunters, they just are and for some...no matter how hard they try, how hard they study their game, how hard they try to become proficient with their equipment, how hard the work on their patience, wood sense and attention to detail, they STILL won't be as good as some.
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
Only my opinion, Charlie....but I think there are many other factors:
1. Woods sense
2. Maturity
3. Patience
4. Knowledge of quarry (which can be learned in amny different manners)
5. Familiarity with quarry (how it reacts in the wild)
6. Proficiency with equipment
7. Equipment, itself (to a degree)
8. Dedication to details (scent control, entrance/exit, etc...)
9. Etc...
10.Etc...
11.Etc...
The list goes on.
And what makes a learning curve, experiences right, Jeff ?
1. Woods sense
2. Maturity
3. Patience
4. Knowledge of quarry (which can be learned in amny different manners)
5. Familiarity with quarry (how it reacts in the wild)
6. Proficiency with equipment
7. Equipment, itself (to a degree)
8. Dedication to details (scent control, entrance/exit, etc...)
9. Etc...
10.Etc...
11.Etc...
The list goes on.
Example: When I was drafted into the NFL there were A LOT of players trying to make it in the pro's ALL were good players and for the most part ALL tried their hardest and trained very diligently in the off season. In my eyes they ALL seemed like great players especially on the offensive line where I played. I mean it was a "who's who" for collegiate all Americans during my mini camp at Denver.
Yet I made it and others didn't. Not to be boastful but I was just a better player than some. We ALL knew the mechanics of pass blocking and run blocking most of us had bee at it for yearsbut some just did it better than others. Sure I know politics and economics play a big part in the selection I'm not naive. But in the end, for the most part (and this is especially true in College) the best players made the team while the others got a corn dog and a road map. All were GREAT players.......some were just better.
Same holds true for hunting some are just better hunters, they just are and for some...no matter how hard they try, how hard they study their game, how hard they try to become proficient with their equipment, how hard the work on their patience, wood sense and attention to detail, they STILL won't be as good as some.