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I'll be short and sweet because I've got a desert sheep hunt to go on. Leaving in about 30 minutes. ;)
Tony, I'm not your son. If you don't know anyone that doesn't complain about not seeing big bucks then just look around. If all the guys that you know accept it as being "it is what it is" then you need to get out more. Tell your buddies to get off the beaten path once and maybe there will be a little treasure there waiting at the end. 'It is what it is' is a lame excuse for someone who doesn't want to put in work. There are big bucks being shot all over this country. More so for the ones who put in a little effort. And BadgerGirl, while you're sitting in your dorm room playing pattycake with your sorority sisters in September I'm putting in work. I need no verification of the camps I've been to or the people who I've talked with. Travel to NW Wisconsin and ask around. I don't sign onto HuntingNet or any other forum for that matter with a cute made up name like I have something to hide. People know who I am. My track record speaks for itself. |
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People know who I am. My track record speaks for itself. If it's legal and they shoot it..they bought the tags. I doubt they are complaining..More than likely it's the trophy hunter who went home empty handed thats doing the crying. Good luck on your Hunt have fun..You gonna shoot just any Sheep or would you like to post up your minimums before ya go? |
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ORIGINAL: tsoc While I don't agree with the Manner in which James posted,I do know many people who shoot multiple small bucks every season and complain about not seeing any big bucks.It has been that way in my home area for years and years.Guy's filling their tags their wife's tags with 1 1/2 year old bucks,and then bragging on all the bucks they have killed. It get's pretty frustrating. |
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ORIGINAL: James Vee I'll be short and sweet because I've got a desert sheep hunt to go on. Leaving in about 30 minutes. ;) Tony, I'm not your son. If you don't know anyone that doesn't complain about not seeing big bucks then just look around. If all the guys that you know accept it as being "it is what it is" then you need to get out more. Tell your buddies to get off the beaten path once and maybe there will be a little treasure there waiting at the end. 'It is what it is' is a lame excuse for someone who doesn't want to put in work. There are big bucks being shot all over this country. More so for the ones who put in a little effort. And BadgerGirl, while you're sitting in your dorm room playing pattycake with your sorority sisters in September I'm putting in work. I need no verification of the camps I've been to or the people who I've talked with. Travel to NW Wisconsin and ask around. I don't sign onto HuntingNet or any other forum for that matter with a cute made up name like I have something to hide. People know who I am. My track record speaks for itself. |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony one day you will realize what an assinine ignorant statement you made when you said, "wall of shame" ....it's attitudes like yours that create shame in deer hunting ..... try and see if anyone on here backs your statement .... you wont .... you are now ......transparent.[:'(] They just think they're all that! Dan |
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Where's MOTOWNwith that box of square hunting caps when you need him?[8D]
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ORIGINAL: James Vee And BadgerGirl, while you're sitting in your dorm room playing pattycake with your sorority sisters in September I'm putting in work. I need no verification of the camps I've been to or the people who I've talked with. Travel to NW Wisconsin and ask around. I don't sign onto HuntingNet or any other forum for that matter with a cute made up name like I have something to hide. People know who I am. My track record speaks for itself. Why do you not need to verify your questionable statements about ALL the data you have acquired from ALL the manycamps you've been toand ALL the people you have talked to? Verification makes you more credible...and credibility is something you really ought to work on. I guess everyone here whose screen name is not their first and last name has something to hide huh? Your brilliance is overwhelming. And by the way, what does anyone's screen name have to do with the thread? You are right, people know who you are...you have made a complete idiot of yourself, and people can clearly see that, so there is no mystery who you are. And yes, your track record speaks volumes. This thread alone speaks volumes of you....your track recordshows us all clearly what a moron you are. Hell, I'm just a sorority girl, andeven I can see it. How many years did you take to graduate high school? Ever take an IQ test? I wouldn't if Iwere you...it would destroy your ego. It is great how you chose to attack me personally rather than respond to my post intelligently. It is a clear sign that you lack the ability to respond in such a manner. Instead of addressing my questions and challenges, you puffed up your chest and picked on a little sorority girl...well done, champ. OK, have a good hunt...I have to get back to my patty cake now.[&:] |
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Maybe that was just James's "Winder Upper"!!! [:-]
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ORIGINAL: pig dog 02 ORIGINAL: James Vee And BadgerGirl, while you're sitting in your dorm room playing pattycake with your sorority sisters in September I'm putting in work. I need no verification of the camps I've been to or the people who I've talked with. Travel to NW Wisconsin and ask around. I don't sign onto HuntingNet or any other forum for that matter with a cute made up name like I have something to hide. People know who I am. My track record speaks for itself. Why do you not need to verify your questionable statements about ALL the data you have acquired from ALL the manycamps you've been toand ALL the people you have talked to? Verification makes you more credible...and credibility is something you really ought to work on. I guess everyone here whose screen name is not their first and last name has something to hide huh? Your brilliance is overwhelming. And by the way, what does anyone's screen name have to do with the thread? You are right, people know who you are...you have made a complete idiot of yourself, and people can clearly see that, so there is no mystery who you are. And yes, your track record speaks volumes. This thread alone speaks volumes of you....your track recordshows us all clearly what a moron you are. Hell, I'm just a sorority girl, andeven I can see it. How many years did you take to graduate high school? Ever take an IQ test? I wouldn't if Iwere you...it would destroy your ego. It is great how you chose to attack me personally rather than respond to my post intelligently. It is a clear sign that you lack the ability to respond in such a manner. Instead of addressing my questions and challenges, you puffed up your chest and picked on a little sorority girl...well done, champ. OK, have a good hunt...I have to get back to my patty cake now.[&:] BADGER PIG ?? |
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ORIGINAL: GregH Maybe that was just James's "Winder Upper"!!! [:-] Dan |
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I am sure there are dorm rooms and sorority houses all across the country that arefilled with ditzy teenagers who are infinitely less ignorant than you. However, I do not live in a dorm, nor am I a member of a sorority, but thanks for the assumptions. I also stopped playing patty cake sometime around Kindergarten, which is likelyabout the same time your mother stopped loving you, for obvious reasons. Why do you not need to verify your questionable statements about ALL the data you have acquired from ALL the manycamps you've been toand ALL the people you have talked to? Verification makes you more credible...and credibility is something you really ought to work on. I guess everyone here whose screen name is not their first and last name has something to hide huh? Your brilliance is overwhelming. And by the way, what does anyone's screen name have to do with the thread? You are right, people know who you are...you have made a complete idiot of yourself, and people can clearly see that, so there is no mystery who you are. And yes, your track record speaks volumes. This thread alone speaks volumes of you....your track recordshows us all clearly what a moron you are. Hell, I'm just a sorority girl, andeven I can see it. How many years did you take to graduate high school? Ever take an IQ test? I wouldn't if Iwere you...it would destroy your ego. It is great how you chose to attack me personally rather than respond to my post intelligently. It is a clear sign that you lack the ability to respond in such a manner. Instead of addressing my questions and challenges, you puffed up your chest and picked on a little sorority girl...well done, champ. OK, have a good hunt...I have to get back to my patty cake now.[&:] How many screen names does this person have????:D:D Is he "really" gone????:D |
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Is he "really" gone????:D |
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ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d DON'T YA HATE WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE SCREEN NAMES AND ANSWER UNDER THE WRONG ONE??? BADGER PIG ?? |
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Hey now, multiple screen names suremakes it whole lot easier to find someone to support your opinions LOL
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I was at a DNR meeting wednesday night for possable new trout regulations on my part of the river, I was amazed at the show of hands from the same people that complain to me on the river every year, that there aren't enough big trout in the river. Yet their show of hands was to lower the size limit of the fish and increase the creel numbers, from 2 fish over 15'' to 5 over 12", instead of voting for an increase in the size of the fish taken. It takes a brown 7 years to reach 26" in this part of the river, just where do they think these fish come from?
It is no different in the deer woods, some will cry there are not good bucks around any more, yet kill every button and immature buck that walks by. As for the one's that just enjoy hunting, filling the freezer and just spending good quality time in the woods, I support them 100%, For the one's that shoot anything with a nub or a horn on it's head and then have the gall to complain to me about not being able to get a buck worthy of their wall, I will waste no time in letting them know they are not only part of the problem but the majority of it. Looks to me like antler restrictions would make meat hunters happy since their return investment is actualy more meat! Is it the Meat, or just the need to kill something? Michigan is a 2 tag state, andsecond tag is 4pt or more on one side. I would like them to drop to one tag and keep the4pt on one side in counties that could support such regulations, it might actualy get back to the way it once was when I was a young man. The youth hunt would remain the same. |
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Looks to me like antler restrictions would make meat hunters happy since their return investment is actualy more meat! Is it the Meat, or just the need to kill something? Michigan is a 2 tag state, andsecond tag is 4pt or more on one side. I would like them to drop to one tag and keep the4pt on one side, it might actualy get back to the way it once was when I was a young man. The youth hunt would remain the same. Combo Tag with AR on both tags A hunter can buy an archery or a Gun tag. He can shoot just 1 buck, any size. Then he is done. I was suppose to be at this NRC meeting, do to the family issues with my MIL house buring down I was unble to attend. |
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ORIGINAL: Badger_Girl93 And your attempted justification of your insulting post is bogus, because the person who posted the picture of all the "dinks" was never complaining about not seeing big bucks. He was the original poster whomade it clear that heis more than happy to shoot a young buck...never complained about not seeing big bucks. He actually complained aboutpossibly being forced toshoot mature bucks only. Nice try...go toot your horn somewhere else. James Vee, I have always likes your posts over the years, may not have agreed with them but they were informative and interesting. Your statement however was wayoff line and like Badger Girl 93 said, had nothing to do with the original poster who was not complaining at all. I also know a lot of folks whoare very happy to shoot a deer...ANY deer. For you to degrade a fellow member for being proud of their accomplishments is incomprehensible to me. It came off as ignorant, impolite and elitist. |
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I'm tellen you guys......THIS girl is sharp as a tack! She also just happens to be right. |
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ORIGINAL: Badger_Girl93 ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d DON'T YA HATE WHEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE SCREEN NAMES AND ANSWER UNDER THE WRONG ONE??? BADGER PIG ?? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I'm tellen you guys......THIS girl is sharp as a tack! She also just happens to be right. |
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I'm not trying to justify James' comment, because it was out of line IMO, but I do see what he is talking about all over PA as well.
We travel from camp to camp talking to the other guys that hunt around us and ask what they've been seeing and they'll say things like, "We've seen a few little ones, but nothing for the wall." "There are no big bucks in this area." "All we see are mountain deer." Blah, blah, blah. Then when we go back to their camp in the evening of opening day we'd see a spiker or a forkie and even with ARs a little 1.5 year old basket six. That's fine, but don't say there are no big bucks around if you're not willing to let them get big. I've eaten my share of tags, and I'll continue to do so. That's my choice, but I also reserve the right to be a little pissed if someone is complaining about not seeing any big deer, but continues to shoot little ones. I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in. |
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I know that there are a lot of hunters out there that feel the same way I do, but I'm not afraid to say it. I might offend a few in the process, but that's fine by me.
Tony, I see you're from New York. Here's a paragraph from the New York Game and Fish Website: LOOKING BACK AT 2005 Among the 88,733 adult bucks Empire State hunters bagged last fall were some truly impressive trophies. According to the seven-state Northeast Big Buck Club (covering New York and all of New England) bucks gross-scoring at least 170 inches came from seven different counties in 2005, and they were taken by archers, muzzleloaders and gun hunters. The information is a year old, and is records from the 2005 season. Since it appears that you would rather complain about how your state doesn't have any big, mature bucks I've started your legwork for you. Check out Steuben County if you are looking to shoot a mature buck. There was a 200" plus buck shot there in 2005. Photo courtesy of Rex Taft For more information on possibly what areas to focus on when targeting mature bucks in the state of New York I would suggest purchasing a copy of the latest New York State Big Buck Club Entries. http://www.nys-big-buck.org/index.htm Lace up your boots and start shed hunting. Start scouting for next season now, and you'll have a nice jump start on the rest of the competition. You never know what might be just around the next corner. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I'm tellen you guys......THIS girl is sharp as a tack! She also just happens to be right. |
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I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I'm tellen you guys......THIS girl is sharp as a tack! She also just happens to be right. |
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ORIGINAL: Germ I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in. |
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I'm telling you she most certainly is, and she is also a shining example that our future isn't so bleak. It's also great to see that she is taking full advantage of her education. Refreshing to say the least to see someone so youngbe soarticulate, concise and engaging. We need more of thisfrom our youth! Just today....on THIS thread.....the poster formerly known as BagerGirl also posted under the name of pigdog. So....which is it?:D |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: GMMAT I'm tellen you guys......THIS girl is sharp as a tack! She also just happens to be right. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT I'm telling you she most certainly is, and she is also a shining example that our future isn't so bleak. It's also great to see that she is taking full advantage of her education. Refreshing to say the least to see someone so youngbe soarticulate, concise and engaging. We need more of thisfrom our youth! Just today....on THIS thread.....the poster formerly known as BagerGirl also posted under the name of pigdog. So....which is it?:D |
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Maybe a roommate, family member etc?
Let's ask her. Badger Girl93, who is pig dog 02? |
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ORIGINAL: HuntingBry I'm not trying to justify James' comment, because it was out of line IMO, but I do see what he is talking about all over PA as well. We travel from camp to camp talking to the other guys that hunt around us and ask what they've been seeing and they'll say things like, "We've seen a few little ones, but nothing for the wall." "There are no big bucks in this area." "All we see are mountain deer." Blah, blah, blah. Then when we go back to their camp in the evening of opening day we'd see a spiker or a forkie and even with ARs a little 1.5 year old basket six. That's fine, but don't say there are no big bucks around if you're not willing to let them get big. I've eaten my share of tags, and I'll continue to do so. That's my choice, but I also reserve the right to be a little pissed if someone is complaining about not seeing any big deer, but continues to shoot little ones. I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in. That being said.........This wasn't the case, here James just posted a very rude comment about a picture that was posted with pride.....uncalled for.[:'(] |
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ORIGINAL: GregH Maybe a roommate, family member etc? Let's ask her. Badger Girl93, who is pig dog 02? Thanks Badger Girl. |
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Too many damn Wisconsinites in this discussion.
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It is refreshing, eh!!??
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ORIGINAL: Germ I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in. |
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ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker ORIGINAL: Germ I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in. |
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If you like hunting mature bucks because it's more of a challenge; then you should thank the folks shooting dink bucks because they're helping you out.
I'd like to see IL go to unlimited buck tags with a $100 bounty on any buck. After a couple years we should to the point that a resident might be able to find a place to hunt with out a crowd or paying through the nose for a lease. ;) |
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ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: Sliverflicker ORIGINAL: Germ I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in. |
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ORIGINAL: BigJ71 ORIGINAL: HuntingBry I'm not trying to justify James' comment, because it was out of line IMO, but I do see what he is talking about all over PA as well. We travel from camp to camp talking to the other guys that hunt around us and ask what they've been seeing and they'll say things like, "We've seen a few little ones, but nothing for the wall." "There are no big bucks in this area." "All we see are mountain deer." Blah, blah, blah. Then when we go back to their camp in the evening of opening day we'd see a spiker or a forkie and even with ARs a little 1.5 year old basket six. That's fine, but don't say there are no big bucks around if you're not willing to let them get big. I've eaten my share of tags, and I'll continue to do so. That's my choice, but I also reserve the right to be a little pissed if someone is complaining about not seeing any big deer, but continues to shoot little ones. I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in. That being said.........This wasn't the case, here James just posted a very rude comment about a picture that was posted with pride.....uncalled for.[:'(] As far as getting pissed, it's because I've tried what you said and made the subtle suggestions to pass on the little ones and offered some tips such as "get in the thick and nasty stuff, that's where the big ones are" and my attempt to help is met with resistance, excuses, and at times criticism of how I choose to hunt, and I wasn't complaining. So, I'm not pissed at them for how they choose to hunt, but more that they complain about a "problem" yet want to have nothing to do with the solution. |
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ORIGINAL: James Vee I know that there are a lot of hunters out there that feel the same way I do, but I'm not afraid to say it. I might offend a few in the process, but that's fine by me. Tony, I see you're from New York. Here's a paragraph from the New York Game and Fish Website: The information is a year old, and is records from the 2005 season. Since it appears that you would rather complain about how your state doesn't have any big, mature bucks I've started your legwork for you. Check out Steuben County if you are looking to shoot a mature buck. There was a 200" plus buck shot there in 2005. For more information on possibly what areas to focus on when targeting mature bucks in the state of New York I would suggest purchasing a copy of the latest New York State Big Buck Club Entries. http://www.nys-big-buck.org/index.htm Lace up your boots and start shed hunting. Start scouting for next season now, and you'll have a nice jump start on the rest of the competition. You never know what might be just around the next corner. BTW ... I don't disagree with you about guys that whine about no big deer, yet they shoot little ones all the time ... they outta shutup too!! Bottom line .... your statement about "the wall of shame" was uncalled for and disgusting .......... and you need to apologize for it ...... |
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