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BigJ71 03-07-2008 02:31 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: HuntingBry


ORIGINAL: BigJ71


ORIGINAL: HuntingBry

I'm not trying to justify James' comment, because it was out of line IMO, but I do see what he is talking about all over PA as well.

We travel from camp to camp talking to the other guys that hunt around us and ask what they've been seeing and they'll say things like, "We've seen a few little ones, but nothing for the wall." "There are no big bucks in this area." "All we see are mountain deer." Blah, blah, blah.

Then when we go back to their camp in the evening of opening day we'd see a spiker or a forkie and even with ARs a little 1.5 year old basket six. That's fine, but don't say there are no big bucks around if you're not willing to let them get big. I've eaten my share of tags, and I'll continue to do so. That's my choice, but I also reserve the right to be a little pissed if someone is complaining about not seeing any big deer, but continues to shoot little ones.

I won't even get started on the guys that have 2 or 3 licenses. If I could prove it happened they'd get turned in.
I see this too, If you've been hunting for any amount of time you will inevitably come across those hunters who complain about not seeing or killing a P&Y deer and yettheir truck beds are filled with young deer. To THEM I'd respectfully say "try passing on a few of those younger bucks and you mightstart to see more older ones". Or try to help them with tactics and avenues to find where the bigger bucks are.I'll never be "pissed off" at them, why should I? It doesn't effect the way I hunt, I will continue to hunt the way I want regardless of what the other hunters do. Why in the WORLD should I be pissed off?

That being said.........This wasn't the case, here James just posted a very rude comment about a picture that was posted with pride.....uncalled for.[:'(]
John, no argument about what was said about the pic. No cause to belittle others to make yourself look better.

As far as getting pissed, it's because I've tried what you said and made the subtle suggestions to pass on the little ones and offered some tips such as "get in the thick and nasty stuff, that's where the big ones are" and my attempt to help is met with resistance, excuses, and at times criticism of how I choose to hunt, and I wasn't complaining. So, I'm not pissed at them for how they choose to hunt, but more that they complain about a "problem" yet want to have nothing to do with the solution.
Yeah, I've been down that road myself. Sometimes your words fall on deaf ears and all you hear in return is excuse after excuse. It's at that point where I tell them "gook luck and I hope you kill a slammer next time" and part ways. I may be slightly bewildered and the resistance I met but I'm never upset or mad. Hell, I'm just happy to be out hunting, if the other folks aren't because they don't like what they're killing perhaps they should take up a different pastime....it's supposed to be fun.

shed33 03-07-2008 02:35 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
its amazing how a nice rack can be the driving force in our lives.. :D

Germ 03-07-2008 02:36 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: shed33

its amazing how a nice rack can be the driving force in our lives.. :D
Amen brother:D, I am a butt man, wait what are we talking about[8D]

shed33 03-07-2008 02:38 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: shed33

its amazing how a nice rack can be the driving force in our lives.. :D
Amen brother:D, I am a butt man, wait what are we talking about[8D]
hey bud me too till I met my wife! LMAO :D

HuntingBry 03-07-2008 02:39 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: BigJ71

Yeah, I've been down that road myself. Sometimes your words fall on deaf ears and all you hear in return is excuse after excuse. It's at that point where I tell them "gook luck and I hope you kill a slammer next time" and part ways. I may be slightly bewildered and the resistance I met but I'm never upset or mad. Hell, I'm just happy to be out hunting, if the other folks aren't because they don't like what they're killing perhaps they should take up a different pastime....it's supposed to be fun.
I don't get as mad at the excuses as I do of the accusations of being an elitist when I offered some help. You probably don't encounter this because you could squash the other guy with a swipe of your paw. I'm just a little guy so they think they can get over on me. Plus, I'm tightly wound anyway, so I get pissed.;)

At the end of the day, I'm happy to just be out there hunting too. That's what it's all about anyway.

Germ 03-07-2008 02:39 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
Me too, LMAO

shed33 03-07-2008 02:46 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
yah know Gary, I can't complain, I may not be able to keep up with Lee, but I do have a few nice racks around the house oh and a few running the ridges too:D.. 'nuff to keep me occupied, motivated and happy.. ;)

Too everyone else.. Shoot whatever the heck makes ya happy and that you feel good about!!!!give back a little, and have a good time, we dont get to do this forever.

BigJ71 03-07-2008 02:47 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
You probably don't encounter this because you could squash the other guy with a swipe of your paw.
No not really.....Because this is how I respond to them............;)



HuntinGUS 03-07-2008 02:47 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
James,

Not only was your first post the worst post in history, your consecutive posts are PATHETIC. I don't know who you hunt with or around, but the deer camps I attend are full of hunters with character that do it the right way and......put in the work as you put it. They are full of people that would not tolerate your arrogant statements.

You wrote.........

I know that there are a lot of hunters out there that feel the same way I do, but I'm not afraid to say it. I might offend a few in the process, but that's fine by me.
Do you make these statements when you are at the deer camps with these people or are you just a loud mouth, arroganttough guy on the internet?




HuntingBry 03-07-2008 02:53 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: BigJ71


ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
You probably don't encounter this because you could squash the other guy with a swipe of your paw.
No not really.....Because this is how I respond to them............;)



They haven't seen any big bucks because they're too busy pushing them to you so you don't kill them.:D

Germ 03-07-2008 02:53 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: shed33

yah know Gary, I can't complain, I may not be able to keep up with Lee, but I do have a few nice racks around the house oh and a few running the ridges too:D.. 'nuff to keep me occupied, motivated and happy.. ;)

Too everyone else.. Shoot whatever the heck makes ya happy and that you feel good about!!!!give back a little, and have a good time, we dont get to do this forever.
I have it great as well and if the new buck regulations pass here in MI, Look out;)

peakrut 03-07-2008 03:11 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
Germ what are some of new regs they cranking out?

ORIGINAL: Germ


ORIGINAL: shed33

yah know Gary, I can't complain, I may not be able to keep up with Lee, but I do have a few nice racks around the house oh and a few running the ridges too:D.. 'nuff to keep me occupied, motivated and happy.. ;)

Too everyone else.. Shoot whatever the heck makes ya happy and that you feel good about!!!!give back a little, and have a good time, we dont get to do this forever.
I have it great as well and if the new buck regulations pass here in MI, Look out;)

BigJ71 03-07-2008 03:14 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: HuntingBry
They haven't seen any big bucks because they're too busy pushing them to you so you don't kill them.:D
Ahh...You found out my "little secret":D:D



peakrut 03-07-2008 03:16 PM

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LOL
One day were having a beer together Bro. (Notice I didnt say hunt, Ive done to much pushing)


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BigJ71 03-07-2008 03:20 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: peakrut

LOL
One day were having a beer together Bro. (Notice I didnt say hunt, Ive done to much pushing)


T
I'd be my pleasure......

I was just up in your "neck of the woods" the other day for work...Wisconsin Kenworth.

Sliverflicker 03-07-2008 03:22 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: Germ


Looks to me like antler restrictions would make meat hunters happy since their return investment is actualy more meat! Is it the Meat, or just the need to kill something?
Michigan is a 2 tag state, andsecond tag is 4pt or more on one side. I would like them to drop to one tag and keep the4pt on one side, it might actualy get back to the way it once was when I was a young man. The youth hunt would remain the same.

That is about to change I think. If the NRC meeting went well we are going to have

Combo Tag with AR on both tags
A hunter can buy an archery or a Gun tag. He can shoot just 1 buck, any size. Then he is done.

I was suppose to be at this NRC meeting, do to the family issues with my MIL house buring down I was unble to attend.
This would be a good thing. We fought to get 2 tags at a time when a bowhunter could walk through the woods for weeks on end and never see another hunter, and bowkills were rare. This is not the case now days. Even though hunter numbers are down the ones that do hunt spend way more hours in the woods than they use to combined with urban sprawl, and leasing has caused over crouding on public lands, I dont care how deep in the woods you get.
Add todays equipment to the mix and there is no wounder most bucks in this state never make it past a year and a half old.

Years ago I sat in on a Fish and Game meeting in Ky and proposed that bowhunters to be able to harvest 2 deer with a bow or one with a bow and one with a gun and it was passed. It was a time when the deer herd could support such a law, thank goodness someone was smart enough to have it changed back when the numbers no longer supported it.
We are way past due for a change in this state. I could go on for hours on this subject, but wont be able to sleep tonight.
One Buck and Doe tags where needed.

dukemichaels 03-07-2008 03:23 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
What, if anything, is this thread even about anymore..

BigJ71 03-07-2008 03:28 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: dukemichaels

What, if anything, is this thread even about anymore..


LOL, Ok I'm done....sorry duke,couldn't resist....:)

Diesel77 03-07-2008 03:31 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
For me, I shoot whats available. If I know there are several 140 class bucks on one property then thats what I set my goals on. If the biggest bucks on the property are100 class bucksthen thats what I go after. If a bigger one comes by than even better. For me its all about whats cruisng my woods, but I cant deny bigger and older is more challenging and more desireable, if a 100" buck fits that description than Im all over it.

dukemichaels 03-07-2008 03:32 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
Forget the QB BigJ.... cause their may be air between you and me but my only opportunity would be to high-tail it the other way.:D

peakrut 03-07-2008 03:34 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
Duke nothing today on the private except a few tracks and thats about it.
Heading down to TGIF in Gurnee for a cold one with Unc, Bro and a Buddy, l8r

dukemichaels 03-07-2008 03:36 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
We'll try to hook up later in the week.. if thats cool Peak.

I'll give you a jingle about mid-week once I gots me schedule.

peakrut 03-07-2008 03:39 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
otay panky

HNI_Christine 03-07-2008 03:48 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 





What?


heh heh

James Vee 03-17-2008 02:57 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
GR8atta2D:

Good luck on your Hunt have fun..You gonna shoot just any Sheep or would you like to post up your minimums before ya go?
I figured I would post this up just for you, since I just got back. We didn't just shoot any old sheep.We PASSED UP on 8 legal rams, and ended up with a Booner.



Schultzy 03-17-2008 03:02 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 
Nice gun kill. Just like shooting little dinks ha!!?? Damn nice critter though.

MeanV2 03-17-2008 03:08 PM

RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
 

ORIGINAL: mnbirddog

Can someone please explain why it is that a lot of guys that will only shoot what they consider mature bucks feel that their demands outweigh those of people who don't care about the size of the antlers. I just want to shoot a couple deer a year (with hopefully one a buck). How big it is is not generally a factor (if I have two in front of me and can shoot either, I would try to shoot the bigger one). I would rather shoot a buck every year than a bigger one every couple years. Sure it would be nice to shoot a big one every year, but that doesn't happen to very many people. After reading the "what did you learn" post, it seems that there are several people who didn't get a chance at a "shooter" or big enough buck, and so didn't take one. And some people don't get a chance at any buck (though likely much of that is time spent in the stand). Wouldn't you have prefered to shoot one of the "lesser" bucks, than nothing?? Help me understand... It really doesn't make any sense to me, especially with a bow.
If that's what I wanted to do then that's what I'd do. Your ideas and goals may change the more you hunt but if not then that is Kewl! The main thing is to Hunt for Yourself and YOUR Goals, and above all have Fun!!! Enjoy the Great sport of Archery!!

Dan


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