Question for "mature buck" advocates
Can someone please explain why it is that a lot of guys that will only shoot what they consider mature bucks feel that their demands outweigh those of people who don't care about the size of the antlers. I just want to shoot a couple deer a year (with hopefully one a buck). How big it is is not generally a factor (if I have two in front of me and can shoot either, I would try to shoot the bigger one). I would rather shoot a buck every year than a bigger one every couple years. Sure it would be nice to shoot a big one every year, but that doesn't happen to very many people. After reading the "what did you learn" post, it seems that there are several people who didn't get a chance at a "shooter" or big enough buck, and so didn't take one. And some people don't get a chance at any buck (though likely much of that is time spent in the stand). Wouldn't you have prefered to shoot one of the "lesser" bucks, than nothing?? Help me understand... It really doesn't make any sense to me, especially with a bow.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: mnbirddog Can someone please explain why it is that a lot of guys that will only shoot what they consider mature bucks feel that their demands outweigh those of people who don't care about the size of the antlers. |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: mnbirddog Wouldn't you have prefered to shoot one of the "lesser" bucks, than nothing?? Help me understand... It really doesn't make any sense to me, especially with a bow. |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
Look inward.
Why do you care enough to ask in a post about it? |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: early in ORIGINAL: mnbirddog Wouldn't you have prefered to shoot one of the "lesser" bucks, than nothing?? Help me understand... It really doesn't make any sense to me, especially with a bow. I feel the same way. I could give a crap about shooting a buck at all. I deer hunt because I like to eat vension. Compare a doe steak to a buck steak... and a doe will take the fight in 3 by KO. No contest at all! Thats why I shoot slick heads. If a BIG buck comes by... sure I'll take him... but I let a heck of a lot of small bucks walk this year and never lost any sleep over it. Just a doe that doesn't taste as good with some potential. Nothing more. |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: mnbirddog Wouldn't you have prefered to shoot one of the "lesser" bucks, than nothing?? |
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Well if its just about killing a deer why not shoot a doe they eat better anyhow and what are you going to do with a small bucks rack other than throw them in the shed to collect dust. I say shoot what makes you happy but have never understood the mindset of shooting small bucks rather than does I mean the doe will always be a doe however old she gets that 1.5 yr old buck who knows in 3 yrs.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
i dont mind eating my buck tag, as long as i get a deer down. and when i eat my buck tag that deers a doe
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: magicman54494 BTW I don't recall anyone here looking down on anyone for shooting a smaller racked buck. If someone has, they are in the wrong. |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
I also don't agree that a doe eats any better. I, and most others I suspect, cannot tell the difference side by side (except maybe a yearling gives smaller steaks;)). Plus most 1.5 and virtually all 2.5 y/o bucks yield more meat than any doe. Also, the way I see it; shooting a doe subtracts from the population much more than a buck, and the area I'm in doesn't have an excess of deer anymore thanks to the liberal doe permits given out by the DNR for a few years. Just some of my thoughts thoughts.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: nodog Look inward. Why do you care enough to ask in a post about it? |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
I think that next year we should have the smallest buck contest (excluding nubbins of course). [:-]
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: nodog Look inward. Why do you care enough to ask in a post about it? |
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I'll whack a 140 pound6pointbuck over an 80 pound doe any day. It's a lot more meat. They don't eat that differently. You don't always get a doe tag besides that. I got one last fall for the first time in 3 years in NY, and I saved it for a 130 pound dressed doe.[8D] I don't care about eating an old beat up rutted up gnarly old deer.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek:
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek: |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
Bowhunting is or at least should be a personal sport. You should set your own goals whatever they are and be content with them. My goals have changed through the years. The worst thing I hate to see is someone ridicule someone for what they have killed and are proud off. It won't happen here! You'll always get a handshake from me when you take any animal with a Bow.
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I can't say what magicman said any better. That was great.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: davidmil Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek: Reread it and see if you can find the word trophy in there any where. |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
As MeanV said, it's a personal choice for me. I set my personal goals and if a buck doesn't meet them I don't shoot him. I'm fortunate in that I can get a lot of doe tags so I have the luxury of being selective. For those that don't that's fine. If someone wants to shoot a small buck, or a button buck that's up to them. If they're happy with it, good for them. As long as you're happy with what you are doing and meeting your personal goals you're doing OK in my book.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: bawanajim Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek: |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx ORIGINAL: bawanajim Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek: |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: bawanajim Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek: |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: bawanajim ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx ORIGINAL: bawanajim Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek: |
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its all about the challenge, its just fun to me to try and match wits with a big smart mature buck. And when u do get lucky enough to take him, it is a awesome feeling. Who knows that lesser buck 15 yards from my stand on the last day could grow up to be that 170 inch trophey in a few years. I personally dont mind if I go a year without killing a buck..
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
Good responses so far. I agree, it should be a personal choice. Out of curiosity, of those of you who feel that way, who would also support antler restriction at a legislative level? I have participated in hunts on private property with QDM goals and standards in place, and I had no problem complying, afterall I was getting the privelage to participate in a hunt. But I support the ability to choose what deer I shoot, or what deer I want shot on my property, and I support extending that right to any landowners, including the public.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx ORIGINAL: bawanajim ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx ORIGINAL: bawanajim Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek: Did Ibring upmy pretty wife?;) |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: bawanajim ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx ORIGINAL: bawanajim ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx ORIGINAL: bawanajim Its just a way of raising the bar a little for some of us whom have gotten past the point where just killing a buck is not quite as satisfying as it used to be. For some that skill level will never be achieved,for others its just the first step.:eek: Did Ibring upmy pretty wife?;) |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
Few comments here
1. Typically an antler restriction DOES NOT force people into "trophy" hunting. We have plenty of year & half old bucks that meet our restrictions. So those guys who want to shoot a young small buck still can (and often do) 2. Sometimes is NOT all about the hunter. Many deer herds have skewed sex ratios and restrictions help balance that out. 3. MANY guys have killed plenty of "lesser" bucks, and to kill another has no appeal to them. |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
Already a thread on a very similar topic, but...to add in what has been said. I don't agree with someone looking down on those who aren't trophy hunters, nor do I agree with those who shoot smaller bucks criticizing those who choose to "trophy" hunt. It's all about personal preference. As for shooting a smaller buck over a nice doe to get the same amount of meat, as a rule that may be true, but all of my does have weighed at least 120lbs...most 1.5yr-2.5 yr olds in my area don't weight out much more than 175 max (granted there are those that weigh much more I'm sure, but the ones we've taken on our property and at our camp didn't). Sure you get more meat, but depending on the time of year, it won't always be the same tasting. A buck shot in full rut (from my experience) tends to be tougher meat, and not as naturally tastey (requires more marinade:D). But, again personal preference...heck some guys think bear meat tastes good[:'(]
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: M.Hensler/PA Already a thread on a very similar topic, but...to add in what has been said. I don't agree with someone looking down on those who aren't trophy hunters, nor do I agree with those who shoot smaller bucks criticizing those who choose to "trophy" hunt. It's all about personal preference. As for shooting a smaller buck over a nice doe to get the same amount of meat, as a rule that may be true, but all of my does have weighed at least 120lbs...most 1.5yr-2.5 yr olds in my area don't weight out much more than 175 max (granted there are those that weigh much more I'm sure, but the ones we've taken on our property and at our camp didn't). Sure you get more meat, but depending on the time of year, it won't always be the same tasting. A buck shot in full rut (from my experience) tends to be tougher meat, and not as naturally tastey (requires more marinade:D). But, again personal preference...heck some guys think bear meat tastes good[:'(] |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
Bowhunting is or at least should be a personal sport. You should set your own goals whatever they are and be content with them. My goals have changed through the years. The worst thing I hate to see is someone ridicule someone for what they have killed and are proud off. It won't happen here! You'll always get a handshake from me when you take any animal with a Bow. Dan |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: davidmil Bowhunting is or at least should be a personal sport. You should set your own goals whatever they are and be content with them. My goals have changed through the years. The worst thing I hate to see is someone ridicule someone for what they have killed and are proud off. It won't happen here! You'll always get a handshake from me when you take any animal with a Bow. Dan There are knuckleheads on both sides of the "what to shoot" deal, ignore them and have fun. Remember Hunting is suppose to be FUN:D |
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If you take the Fun out. What's Left?
Dan |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
It's all subjective anyway. Depending on what part of the country you live in (oh no, the location debate!) a trophy where I hunt is a small non-trophy where others hunt. Where I hunt I would be all for antler restrictions BECAUSE OF the super abundance of deer, especialy does. In my eyes, if I'm going to shoot a small buck, I might as well be part of the solution and shoot a doe instead. I personally have no reason to shoot something that's not bigger than what I have on my wall already. What's the point, just to say I shot a buck? Did it prove I was a great hunter just 'cause it had some piece of antler on its head? JMO. Ya gotta do what's best for you, no one can tell you different.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: xXxrory7xXx ORIGINAL: M.Hensler/PA Already a thread on a very similar topic, but...to add in what has been said. I don't agree with someone looking down on those who aren't trophy hunters, nor do I agree with those who shoot smaller bucks criticizing those who choose to "trophy" hunt. It's all about personal preference. As for shooting a smaller buck over a nice doe to get the same amount of meat, as a rule that may be true, but all of my does have weighed at least 120lbs...most 1.5yr-2.5 yr olds in my area don't weight out much more than 175 max (granted there are those that weigh much more I'm sure, but the ones we've taken on our property and at our camp didn't). Sure you get more meat, but depending on the time of year, it won't always be the same tasting. A buck shot in full rut (from my experience) tends to be tougher meat, and not as naturally tastey (requires more marinade:D). But, again personal preference...heck some guys think bear meat tastes good[:'(] |
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Me too. I love black bear meat. I have heard that fish eating bears in alaska dont taste particularly well in the fall when they are gorging on salmon, but cant verify that.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
ORIGINAL: Germ ORIGINAL: davidmil Bowhunting is or at least should be a personal sport. You should set your own goals whatever they are and be content with them. My goals have changed through the years. The worst thing I hate to see is someone ridicule someone for what they have killed and are proud off. It won't happen here! You'll always get a handshake from me when you take any animal with a Bow. Dan There are knuckleheads on both sides of the "what to shoot" deal, ignore them and have fun. Remember Hunting is suppose to be FUN:D |
RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
At some point you'll probably grow out of it.
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RE: Question for "mature buck" advocates
My feelings on antler restrictions: It is great idea!!!! It might take a year or two but after that we will havejust as many legal bucks as before and they will be bigger. Everyone wins!When a "meat" hunter kills a bigger buck he gets more meat.
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