Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
03-03-2008, 06:07 AM
#21
Giant Nontypical
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
ORIGINAL: peakrut
I can't wait until the day Wi raises their non resident fee's to match IL.[8D]
I can't wait until the day Wi raises their non resident fee's to match IL.[8D]
ORIGINAL: dukemichaels
Thanks for reminding me Germ.[:@] Why don't you come over kick me in the twig and berries while your at it![&:][:@]
I need to get involved with this state's governing bodies and find my way to the front lines. I forgot more about deer management then all of our elected (and I say that term loosely) will ever know.[:@] And I would first try to find a biologist with knowledge and balls. But not necassarily in that order!
I do not understand why the state of Illinois continues to function without a deer biologist and sucks on the "TEET" of the armchair biologist employed by the many outfitters located throughout Illinois![:@]
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Thanks for reminding me Germ.[:@] Why don't you come over kick me in the twig and berries while your at it![&:][:@]
I need to get involved with this state's governing bodies and find my way to the front lines. I forgot more about deer management then all of our elected (and I say that term loosely) will ever know.[:@] And I would first try to find a biologist with knowledge and balls. But not necassarily in that order!
I do not understand why the state of Illinois continues to function without a deer biologist and sucks on the "TEET" of the armchair biologist employed by the many outfitters located throughout Illinois![:@]
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03-03-2008, 06:22 AM
#22
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
We had the outfitter discussion a few weeks ago, and I was led to believe by those I was arguing with that outfitters are the savior of the Illinois deer herd. Let's see what kind of discussion this read brings up. I'm interested to see how those of you involved in outfitters are going to twist this one.
Many non-residents think Illinois resident hunters have it so good. We no longer do because its slipping away due to greed and idiotic politicians who are swayed by and in bed with the outfitters and chamber of commerce. The government of Illinois could care less about their own people.[:@]
03-03-2008, 06:26 AM
#23
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
ORIGINAL: Germ
Don I have to ask, who said anything about QDM?
ORIGINAL: mobow
LOL......I've been saying it for a long time. QDM is not about a healthy deer herd, not legislative imposed QDM anyway. It's about MONEY. Always has been, always will be. We're becoming victims of our own creation.
LOL......I've been saying it for a long time. QDM is not about a healthy deer herd, not legislative imposed QDM anyway. It's about MONEY. Always has been, always will be. We're becoming victims of our own creation.
03-03-2008, 06:29 AM
#24
Site Buck Guru
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
ORIGINAL: mobow
Nobody, directly. But let me ask this.......If Illinois didn't have the great big racks that it has, would this be an issue?
ORIGINAL: Germ
Don I have to ask, who said anything about QDM?
ORIGINAL: mobow
LOL......I've been saying it for a long time. QDM is not about a healthy deer herd, not legislative imposed QDM anyway. It's about MONEY. Always has been, always will be. We're becoming victims of our own creation.
LOL......I've been saying it for a long time. QDM is not about a healthy deer herd, not legislative imposed QDM anyway. It's about MONEY. Always has been, always will be. We're becoming victims of our own creation.
03-03-2008, 06:54 AM
#25
Nontypical Buck
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
I can't wait until the day Wi raises their non resident fee's to match IL
I have no problem paying higher fee's if I am absolutely sure the money is going to the right areas. In Illinois it disappears into the mythological creature known simply as "the budget crisis".
03-03-2008, 07:01 AM
#26
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
ORIGINAL: mobow
Nobody, directly. But let me ask this.......If Illinois didn't have the great big racks that it has, would this be an issue?
ORIGINAL: Germ
Don I have to ask, who said anything about QDM?
ORIGINAL: mobow
LOL......I've been saying it for a long time. QDM is not about a healthy deer herd, not legislative imposed QDM anyway. It's about MONEY. Always has been, always will be. We're becoming victims of our own creation.
LOL......I've been saying it for a long time. QDM is not about a healthy deer herd, not legislative imposed QDM anyway. It's about MONEY. Always has been, always will be. We're becoming victims of our own creation.
Iowa does not have this issue and they have great big racks, it's how the deer are managed from state to state.Iowa seems to manage the deer
Ill seems to manage the Money
Michigan seems to Manage the Money
Ky seem to manage the deer.
03-03-2008, 07:20 AM
#28
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
We're cool
If DNR of any state manages the deer. The state will have bigger deer(relative to that state), it's just what happens. It's OK[8D]
If I were Ill resident I would be looking to limit out of state tags, or limit the number of outfitters. To me limiting the tags is a good start.
If DNR of any state manages the deer. The state will have bigger deer(relative to that state), it's just what happens. It's OK[8D]
If I were Ill resident I would be looking to limit out of state tags, or limit the number of outfitters. To me limiting the tags is a good start.
03-03-2008, 07:25 AM
#29
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
ORIGINAL: Germ
We're cool
If DNR of any state manages the deer. The state will have bigger deer(relative to that state), it's just what happens. It's OK[8D]
If I were Ill resident I would be looking to limit out of state tags, or limit the number of outfitters. To me limiting the tags is a good start.
We're cool
If DNR of any state manages the deer. The state will have bigger deer(relative to that state), it's just what happens. It's OK[8D]
If I were Ill resident I would be looking to limit out of state tags, or limit the number of outfitters. To me limiting the tags is a good start.
Whats that saying again?....Oh yea, two birds with one stone.
03-03-2008, 07:43 AM
#30
Boone & Crockett
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RE: Ill Bucks are running the show, not DNR
Like it or not, landowners have a right to lease their land to outfitters and outfitters have a legal right to do business. I've said it before and I will say it again, one of the only truely realistic solutions is for folks in Illinois to organize and pressure the state to develop more public access land. Of course, educating landowners about the level of crop damage they are likely sustaining if outfitters aren't managing the does and small buck population could be somewhat helpful.