Tell it to someone who believes you. I have been a dealer for most every brand out there, and I am still good friends with dealers from most brands. I trust the info they give me over your observations

Dan

could this be due to sales numbers though? I have absolutely no idea, but I'd be willing to bet BT sells atleast 5 x the bows HCA does. this would kind of even out the skewed numbers.

The PSE X Force is the fastest bow that I have personally saw shot threw the chrono.

So you have seen more limb fractures with High Country bows than with Bowtech bows?

I fully suspect that has something to do with it. Under that line of thinking... which is quite honestly truth, you could also say that there are more satisfied Bowtech customers than TOTAL HCA customers. At least in the last 10 years (which is as long as BT has been around anyhow).

Seems to me here lately that Bowtech is the new Mathews when it comes to over-zealous clientel...... [popcorn]

GEE REALLY.... OH MY GOD....

Yes Rob I know that. But the point here that no one will ever accept is that one company has enough confidence in their product to go beyond what the industry has set as their "standard" (which changes every 10 years or so... and you know that), and raised the bar for everyone else.

I'm a big fan of bowtechs... I shoot the HCA Iron Mace for a couple of reasons though:

1) I was due for a new bow in 2007... not everyone gets free bowtechs... I don't know what a corporate staff is... but if you are in need of waterfowl or turkey hunters... I asked first.

2) A very good friend of mine started a sort of shade tree bowshop, and one of the lines he decided to carry was HCA as there are no dealers in our state (though there are now three). In order to help him get established, I bought one of the two bows they required him to pre-order.

3) The trinary cam on the HCA is very similar (if not the same, but I'm sure you know) to the binary cam Bowtech uses.

Honestly, if Dean wouldn't have gotten into HCA... I'd probably be shooting an 07 Alligence right now. I just enjoy playing the devil's advocate. I'm really being objective here.... I could care less what anyone shoots.

My view from the Peanut Gallery:

It's real simple, HCA says (with their actions):"Go ahead and shoot 3 gpp, we're confident that it won't explode. If it does, we got your back."

Everybody elsesays (with their actions): "Shooting under 5 gpp puts our product at-risk of failure, so we refuse to extend the warranty beyond that threshold."

Actions > Words

I trust that the manufacturers have conducted sufficient testing to be keenly aware of what their products can withstand before experiencing an increased risk of limb failure. Those confidences are reflected in their warranty. Plain and simple. [:-]

From my understanding, Elite was razor-close to doing a 3-4 gpp warranty on their '08's, but decided to back out at the last second, when they realized that they would barely be able to keep up with existing orders already (they didn't need the added sales incentive). In the near future, I don't think they'll hesitate to make theleap. I also understand that PSE was strongly considering extending their warranty to the 4-4.25 range.

The thing is, arrow manufacturers are going to force the bow manufacturers' collective hands . . . soon. There are several manufacturers who already have great hunting shafts hitting the market that you simply can't shoot out of a 5 gpp bow (Victory HV, Gold Tip UL). These shafts will provide ridiculous performance at around 4.5 gpp in a hunting scenario. Eventually, people are going to figure that out. It's the biggest "secret" that the mainstream manufacturers don't wanttheir core consumersto know.

That's why the bowtech blowhards (especially the guys with vested financial interests) are so quick to scoff at my test results and try to dismiss it as some kind of nonsense.I think it's kinda comical . . . and pathetic. All at the same time.

Trust me, Ihave no allegiance to HCA.The fact is, they're the only company out there right now who is providing a product that can maximize current arrow technology. That's why I bought their bow.The only thing I ever got from HCA was a few arrows to try out - the owner sent me an email and said "try these, trust me." I did andI did. 369.

A while back, somebody developed a 3.5" turkey load, but there were only a few guns on the market chambered to handle that round. Guess what? I bought one. It doesn't matter what comes first, the chicken or the egg. All that matters is that you get there.

QS, I used to be an Oregon dealer. They dry fired their bows umpteen gillion times. Did I ever have one Blow up? You bet!! Where are they today? I was also an HC dealer and saw 3 times the limb failures on HC than I did on Oregons...................

O wait a minute! That could be because I sold 10 times the HC bows. You keep beating on concrete with a sledge hammer and it Will Break

Enjoy!![8D]

Dan

That's why they abandoned their old limbmaking operation and went to Barnsdale limbs, Dan. But you knew that. You always seem to ignore facts that undermine your own "financially-biased" opinions. LOL

HCA's old limb construction method is very similar to Bowtech's current method (you knew that, but intentionally omitted that fact). Barnsdale (Elite/HCA) and Hoyt are lightyears ahead of Bowtech in limb construction. (you knew that too.)

I guess that's why they bribe internet blowhards with free bows to come online and sing the praises of their products all day everyday. Sad.

Did I say I had an unusual amount of limb failures from HC?? Read it again! I imagine new owners has more to do with their current limb choice than anything else. You would not believe some of the stories I could tell you about Limb Failures!! and they were warranted anyway. Another time maybe

My Opinions are not financially based[8D]Shows you know very little about me

Dan