ps, I dont think a non hunter is going to give a rats either way what you shoot LOL!

Lilhunter,I'm aware that many states allow handicapped people to use crossbows.I'm all for that.What I don't like is people that go to there doctor and exagerate an injury to get a permit.In NY you have to be disabled to the extent that you have to use a blow tube before they will give you a permit.

I know a guy that uses a pull tab on his string that he pulls with his teeth.He has killed quite a few deer with it too.

Stealthy,I asked a couple questions to you on the second page, when you answer those I will answer yours.

Lil,I read an article that Pat did with Mr.Hill over on the bowsite, I wasn't impressed.

no look at who wrote it..I have no likings for mr lafemine! I wont give my comments other that on Pat LOL! btw did you read the article about John Rook...a BLIND stickbow shooter! Man you talk fire in that man's heart to hunt and enjoy the outdoors!

heck Charlie, I asked everyone a simple question...still no answers!

Wow, that was a long read.

In my view it's very simple. People choose their comfort zone with equipment. I also believe it's human nature to want something to be challenging, but not too hard. The challenge is what gives the excitement, but make it too hard and it quickly gets old and tiring.

A couple of factors are involved. First, a very good hunter, who can get close to game frequently, and is a good archer, is going to find it increasing boring to use equipment that poses little challenge. On the other hand, a new hunter with little skill shooting any bow, will need all the help and "sophistication" he can get. In other words, all the high tech stuff in the world and it will still be difficult for this person to kill an animal.

Being that there is a range of people out there with varying abilities as a hunter and/or as a shooter, there will be a range of equipment to satisfy the different challenges posed to each. Each person will naturally evolve to shooting what is challenging enough to keep their interest, but not so difficult as to frustrate them from hunting again. This process of choosing equipment is ever changing as the person gains experience and ability. This is as it should be. This selection process is innate and each of us is probably shooting what we should be or else are in the process of choosing different equipment to match our skills.

Geez, and people complain that I spend too much time on these forums...<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

Lilhunter, Stealthycat,

I have to admit that I quick glanced at this thread before leaving work and my initial impression of your last posts to me made me feel rather angry.

Then, I came home, grabbed something to eat, relaxed a little and came back on to reread those posts.

It just goes to show what emotion can do to interpretation.

I apologize if I offended either one of you with my earlier post. My opinion revolves around the fact that I am comfortable using a 65% letoff single cam bow with carbon arrows and expandable broadheads. I don't think it is for everyone and I would never think of pushing that ideal upon them. I respect traditional shooters as much as any other person that uses a weapon to harvest a whitetail deer.

The original question of this thread asked if bowhunting was getting too sophisticated. My answer was no, I don't think that it currently is. If it were to get more technological then I still don't feel it would defeat the true purpose of the sport.

Bowhunting is bowhunting. The bowhunter still has to draw the bow at the moment of truth and follow through with perfect form. If the deer catches movement or the archer drops his arm then it doesn't matter how many gizmos or gadgets the guy has he is still going to either a) not get the shot or, b) miss miserably.

I still do believe in allowing all hunters the opportunity to choose their weapon regardless of the level of technology.

Lilhunter,

What question are you referring to?

Edited by - PABowhntr on 01/21/2002 15:13:42

&quot; To say you shoot a recurve because of the enjoyment of the bow, and simplicity of the equipment, I'd agree with that, but don't go saying that it's the &quot;pure way&quot;, or the &quot;right way&quot;. &quot;

I never said traditional was the right way, did I ? This isn't a question of the right or wrong way, its a question of when does technology get to the point where hunting with a high tech, all the options compound goes beyond what bowhunting is suppose to be ?


&quot; Gadgets to increase accuracy are great, as long as it supports the traditional method of shooting-pull it back, aim, and shoot. Most gadgets that have come along support accuracy, not increased distance. That's the way it should be&quot;


Does accuracy not increase distance ? Theres another debate right there. Pull it back, aim and shoot - is this the definiton of bow hunting ? It wasn't 200 years ago, was it ? Or was it ? Is cross bows not as traditional as it gets ? Surely, releases, lazer sights, etc etc do not conform to what archery use to be ?

I love gadgets, I loved fooling around with new tech stuff on my compounds. I have found equal love in building arrows, string, studying tradional archery styles, forms and lore. I tinker, thats what I like to do. But the questions being asked are being evaded I think because the answers to them are not the ones ya'll are wanting to hear.

Lil,What question?
Actually the article was a question and answer type thing.Pat would ask a question and Mr Hill would give his answer.There was also audio you could listen to.

Yes, I have read about the Blind gentleman.Found it very interesting.Your point? Do you feel his enjoyment comes solely from the bow he shoots?

Having trouble posting here I'm new to this. Hope this one goes... I really don't see the advances being a problem so long as the bow is still hand held and drawn. I don't think that includes crossbows or the gadgets to hold a bow at full draw.

Edited by - bambi hit man on 01/21/2002 15:27:36

Edited by - bambi hit man on 01/21/2002 15:31:28

Stealthycat and lilhunter,
Actually, I wasn't reffering to either one of you in my first post, only those that rebuff technological advancements because their way is better.

Again, I prefer to shoot as accurately as possible. I don't want anyone to get the impression that recurves, logbows, whatever, are the most humane form of archery-it isn't true and that's backed by any competition out there, and the different classes out there to sepperate the shooters.

Like I said, that wasn't intended towards you, I don't think you guys were the ones even talking about rangefinders, treestands and 80 yard shots at 3D tournaments-just trying to deal with the facts.

Sorry about the sarcasm in the first post, if you two were offended, it wasn't meant for you guys anyways.

Aim straigt and be accurate.

Jeff...U.P. of Michigan.