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not to change the subject but i had a GAME WARRDEN tell me if you see a stand close to a fence line or property and it's face the other guys landthen his more than likely hunting the woods he has the rights to hunt and also thje woods he does not . makes since to me .

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LOL! Situation Ethics at it's best!!!

I agree with you, arrow ...

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I will not go where I do not have permission to be, so whether or not a property is considered "unimproved" is of no bearing to me.You have permission or you don't - this is as black or white as it gets. [/blockquote]

These would be me:)- so:

1. I don't shoot.

2. I would not be setup that close to line of a property where I did not have pre arranged recovery rights.

Like I said - black and white if you have any respect for personal property and the laws. Not situational in any way. Do it the right way and the hypotheticals don't happen.

The fact that nearly 30% here say they would shoot across the line is why we prosecute anyone coming on our properties without prior agreement or contacting us 1st. Too many cases of "hunters" setting up on our lines(setups showing no intention of hunting their or the bordering state land),or over(even in our stands). Shooting deer on our property and when conforted trespassing, claiming they where only following a blood trail - eventhough tracking shows where the deer was hit.

Steve

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WHAT WOULD PREACHER TONY DO?

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Steve ... you are brucing [:-]:D.... er I mean, ducking the last question ..... if you were visiting someone and the deer you shot ran on that dude's property .... would you get the buck?

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He doesn't think he would shoot the deer on the other property - #1
He would most definitely get the deer he shot on his side of the property line - #2
He is now gonna stop talkin about himself in the 3rd person - #3 :D

BTW Magic .... I like your style! :D

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Do we have anEgo problem? Or is there another explanation for you not being able to pass on that deer?

Killing a "Booner" isn't THAT big of a deal to ALL of us. If you're going to intentionally poach a deer, why not hunt without a tag until you kill one?

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These are some quotes from another thread again ..........


Wash stepped up .... Steve kinda did ;)... how about the rest of you?

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I would do all I could for this not to happen.
But if it did, I would try more more time to get permission.
If not given, I would suggest the owner recover because I would not. And bottom line, nothing goes to waste.
And hopefully learn not to set up where it would happen again - go hunt elsewhere.
I've been treated too many times with disrespect from "hunters" with a sense of entitlement to ever treat another landowner that way regardless of their attitude. Hunting is a recreational endeavor for us all - in spite of our passion for it,lets keep it fun and not go looking for conflict.

Steve

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I think some of you are missing the point...

There is no "I wouldn't put myself in this situation" option.

The scenario is that you ARE in the situation. Regardless of what you would normally do, for the sake of the thread, you ARE in this position. What would you do? Tony's got me kind of curious now.

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Well played Dan.

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1. No I do not shoot

2.I wait until Dark and pull the deer back over the property line, sorry boys it's what I would do.

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Yeah me too, but don't forget your pump-up sprayer to wash the blood off the grass over there.:D

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Steve .... are you 100% on that? Not saying I don't believe you ..... but you would let the buck of a lifetime rot 10 yards away from you instead of just taking a few seconds and pulling it over on your side ???

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As 100% as I can be until tested - I really believe by breaking the law and the code i have set for myself, that the trophy would be tainted and impossible for me to ever feel good about. I also don't believe it is right to qualify the effort to recover or willingness to cross the lineby the sex of the deer or inches on its head. If those things affected my decision, I am hunting for the wrong reasons.
JMO

Steve

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One more question for you, Steve ..... do you ever go even 1 mile over the speed limit? I am really just curious ... not looking to hang ya :D

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I guess we haven't "stepped up" unless we give a certain answer your looking for? This is starting to make no sense.

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I would not shoot in situation 1. I would shoot in situation 2 and I would retrieve the deer.:D

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Pump up sprayer huh? How would you know about that?;) Lol. Actually never thought of that. Pretty good idea if you're a sneak hunter!:D

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Why? With is last breath of life I watch the deer jump over back over the line:D

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Doug ... what are you talking about?:eek: ....stepped up means to step up to the plate and make your statement ...... and as far as a certain answer ....that IS what the whole thread is about ..... 2 specific scenarios requiring exact responses ..... what makes no sense about that?

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1) Nope

2) Shoot the deer and then recover that deer. If that means under the cover of darkness, so be it. If I lived in a state that said that even the game warden couldnt recover a dead deer on private property, I would get the deer myself.

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So one day while scouting your land you see a new guy on your neighbors land,you approach him introduce your self as the neighboring land owner.while pointing out the lay of the land,some funnels and stands your brother and his son hunts on your property you point out a portion of your land that has been set a side as a sanctuary.With a few years of discipline you have been seeing some potential for a buck that just might be worth mounting, one in particular has great split brow tines.

As the season progresses deer sighing aren't what you've expected ,you decide to take a scouting trip around the parameter of your property you find not one but two tree stands on your line up, wind from your sanctuary.
The next evening you walk up the hill to find the guy you tried to help and one of his work buddies sitting 40 yards apart watching what was your sanctuary,when you ask them why they were hunting your line they explain how on a couple of different evenings they saw the brow tine buck walking down your side of the hill from his bed
so...............


In my mind there is no difference in using a mans truck when he is not ,than using his land when he is not. The truck cost allot less.

My what a just a little bitof respect would solve,..

By the way since this has been asked several dozen times just how many of you have ever been denied access to a deer you shot?

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None, and i have denied no one either.
I doubt ever I will in this situation.

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In this scenario if the two guys are on their side, there's nothing you can do. You tried to be nice and well, we all know what happens to nice guys. Unfortunately, where I'm from, nice doesn't even enter the equation. I wouldn't be pointing anything out to anyone, I wouldn't be mean but I wouldn't be nice either. That way they would think of staying farther away rather than cozying up to the "nice" guys' line, and I definitely wouldn't be telling them about a sanctuary or the split brow tine monster that lives there. It's unfortunate, but that's just how it is around here.

As far as being denied access, I've never been denied access, but I've also never asked for access either.

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Anthony, many have stepped up and gave their statements. That's what I'm talking about. What did Wash say and Steve almost say that was any different than other statements. I must be missing something

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Man tough call.
1. definante no
2. Im not saying :eek:

Here is kind of the same situation that happened to me and my son several years ago. It was gun season i was already taged out, i was just sitting with my son in a buddy stand while he hunted. We are on our lease about 150 yards from the property line, we here neighbor land owner shoot just right off the line, his stand was about 30 yards from property line, im not sure which side of fence he shot on, but heard the deer run on our side and crash just out of sight from us, we heard him come and retrieve it and let it go. My son was upset that he was tresspassing until i explained to him it could happen to us to. So one month latter when i ran into the landowner that was strict about tresspassers, i politly asked him what he had killed that ran on our lease and died, he looked dumfounded that i knew about it, and said it was a small buck. I then explained to him that it could happen to us also and kindly asked that if it did would we be allowed to retrieve it on his property, :DHe was dead caught and had nothing to say but yes!! ;)

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1. Don't shoot, eventually he'll be on the right side of the fence. It's karma.

2. Retrieve the deer with my haul line and mini treble that I use to pick stuff I drop off the ground from my treestand. That thing is pretty strong and I don't think a deer will break the line (it's 550 cord) and it's 50' long. The only thing is, it will hurt the hands an awful lot. This way I got the deer and didn't have to tresspass. No harm, no foul!

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Douglas, Both guyssaid things on another thread on tresspassing...... I had copied a bunch of quotes from that thread and asked the guys that quoted, if they would still feel the same way .... see post 47 ... Wash, when looking at it a different way, changed his view a little .... Steve didn't .... if you read all the threads, you'll see what I mean ....

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I actually thought about something like that ..... I wonder if that would be tresspassing though ..... if not, then you could shoot a deer on the other guys property, it would only be tresspassing if you were physically on it.... somehow I don't think that would fly ...

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Yeah, trespassing is trespassing, so... either don't hunt close to the fenceline or shoot the buck if it crosses go tell the property owner and try to get permission and at least inform him that the buck is now his if he won't let you get it. I don't think I'd trespass if i was explicitly told I could not.
BTW, I'd be looking for some new property to hunt on. Don't trespass, follow the rules. This does become an ethical question, and we all seem to be a pretty ethical bunch on here,at least when it suits us.

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I think that if you shot the deer on anothers property, that would be classified as "hunting" on it, since the hunt includes the kill. Technically, it's the land owners deer until it leaves the property. If it was shot on another property and retrieved in the manner described......IDK. Wish there were a GW on here who could shed some light on this......

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On #1, I would not shoot. But if I did shoot, who would be able to say that Buck was on either side of the fence at the time. Also, was the Buck in #1 on the easement of the properties? On #2, Why would the neighbor "be" such a idiot about you retrieving your deer shot on your side? And have a CO back him up on that lunacy? It's a law in my state, that you have to do everything you can to retrieve any game that you shoot. If you know for a fact, he's going to take the deer from you would it be worth the chance of atresspass ticket?I would haveto recover the deer (legally shot), because of my ethics to recover. All this said, my first move would be to smooth over the ill feelings that are the real underlying problem and fix the situation between me and him. Kill'em with kindness, it only makes your situation better.

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Where I live, there is what we call an easement on the property line. What it is, is a 10 foot grey area on either side of the property line, because no property line is "exact". So the easement says either party can walk on, access, for working on say fence lines w/o tresspess.You can never get a property line within a inch so this law alleviates any access arguments. You cannot build on it, just access it.

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I placed a poor shot on a deer one year and I can tell you that it went 5 miles most of which was not on my property, but I can tell you that it did not suffer long after I caught up to it. Yes, I learned a lesson by taking that poor shot, but I will do whatever it takes to place a deer out of its misery especially if I caused it. Second, if you are hunting areas where fields are prevalent and fence/tree lines separate the properties, are you placing your double bull in the middle of the field? I'm hunting the treeline and I really don't mind if anyone hunts the edge of my property or the properties where I have permission nor would I care if they tracked a deer right through the middle of it. In fact, here is a real good one. The guy hunting the 40 acre plot adjacent to property that I hunt on shot a 120" 10 point which staggered past me 1 day later so I put it out of its misery and attempted to find him so that I could give him the deer. Well, I could not locate him that evening and throughout my travels, found someone that did not get a deer and really wanted the meat for his family. No problem, he was happy and I still had a tag. 1 week later, I located the guy and he informed me that he thought that he just nicked the deer and didn't go looking for it. The deer, when it went past me, was 200 yards from his stand. His shot had full penetration through the guts. Here is the REAL kicker, the big boy that I was chasing all season, walked beneath him the very next day and he took it. More bad news, I did finally take a deer that year which was the deer that I tracked for 5 miles and 10 hours. Late that night, I finally ended up at the butcher. He pulled the hide down over the neck and there was a big puss ball, green at that. It was hit with an arrow and wasn't doing to well. My butcher said that he wouldn't eat it so I sure wasn't. That wasa very long year with 0 in the freezer and 2 sets of antlers.

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Say what you will, but personally if nobody was watching, a couple feet over the property line wouldn't bother me in the least. I personally draw the line at stepping on the other property to shoot something (without permission). If (and this happened) I hit a deer on property I have permission, and it runs toward another property I cant go on, I will continue to take followups even if it is 20 yds in. (I did hit him with a followup and recovered him)

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This brings up a whole other ethics debate; that of should you allow someone to utilize one of your tags, or should you use someone else's tag to tag your deer? Some states allow party hunting, but I believe that in most of those, both parties must be in attendance and participating in the hunt.

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Depends on the state you live in nYS you don't own any animal just because it's on your land.

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For all the folks that say they wouldn't shoot in the second second scenario what if the deer traveled 100,200 0r 300 yards and then crossed the property line?

I hunted a spot for years until a anti bought the three hundred acres next to it and wouldn't let anyone cross her line to recover a deer.

Why? Well I'm not the owner and I didn't want to give him a headache when I crossedthe line to recover a deer.;)