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Huh...

Who knew that by tresspassing on someone's property to retrive an animal we shot on our property we'd be tearing down the very foundation of our society.

GD guys, some of y'all make me laugh. Seriosuly? Is it that heinous of a crime?

This year, if I shoot a booner and he happens to hop my neighbor's fence I'll just let him rot. I'll be sure to post that I can see the buck ten feet away, but because I don't want to take part in the destruction of the fabric of our society, I'm just going to let the coyotes have at him. Yup, killing that deer and letting him rot will be ok on my conscience. At least I'll lay my head down at night knowing that I honored my neighbor's wishes by not stepping foot onto his side of the fence.

Give me a break. :eek:

I shoot a buck (or doe)I'm damn well going to get him. 'Nuff said.

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Don't misquote me, Jim .... that reeks of a lack of belief in your stance [:'(]I NEVER said I was proud ... I asked you if that's what you were angry at .... I am not for what the 37% would do ...... keep it real Jimbo

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You guys with the "RIGHTS" etc, are WAY OUT OF TOUCH!!! Do I respect the animal over the multi-millionaire who "inherited a piece of land," hasn't seen it in 3 yrs, yet paid someone to put a bunch of NO TRESPASSING signs on it, won't even let their own family hunt on it, because they are treehugging, card-carrying PETA and HSUS members??? HELL YES, I DO!!! If someone asks to come onto my land to retrieve an animal, he's got my tractor of atv at his disposal if he needs them, or I'll help him drag it out if I'm here. So I'm overstepping the bounds, so to speak, that another wouldn't grant me of retrieving my animal even though that person doesn't want me coming onto their land to get it. Am I violating their RIGHTS??? Sorry, I just can't quite see it that way. If I sneak up on the house and take pictures of them, I'm violating there rights, if I walk across an invisible line to retrieve an animal, leaving no trace I was ever there, out of respect for the animal, I am a HUNTER who respects the animal he's hunting. Sure, TECHNICALLY you could call me a poacher, but if I LEAVE THE ANIMAL to rot, doesn't that make me a SLOB HUNTER??? [:'(] [>:] [:@]

Some of you guys sound like "Do-Gooders," that used to bring you teacher and apple on test day to me. I still hunt a piece of land that the owners do not allow hunting, only because I'd hunted it for 15 yrs before they owned it, and by default, they ended up inheriting it, after the late owner, who'd lived in a Nursing home the last 12 yrs of her life with severe dementia and alzhiemer's left it to them. The owners of the property all around this piece are family as well who allow hunting, welcome hunting, and like myself, would make their equipment available to you if you needed it to retrieve an animal. Suddenly after a woman dies, it's realized that a long lost daughter and son-in-law ARE still in the will, and still inherit the middle block of a couple hundred acres. The don't attend a funeral, but upon finding out they've inherited the land, they pay someone to come and survey it and post no trespassing signs all over it, then enter it into some Federal Treefarmers conservation program that is making them money for owning the land and having trees on it. They also are rewarded with the $$$ coming from a Natural Gas/Oil well on the property, and though they haven't laid eyes on it in years, they choose to take away the hunting rights of family that had hunted the land for more than 50yrs, the same family that owns the land on either side of this parcel. I suppose I sort of practice "what they don't know won't hurt them." Any different than speeding, or rolling a stop sign, because you can see at night no one is coming???

Now if I was riding an atv all over their land, tearing it up, and growing marijuana on it, I could see where someone might say I was "violating" their rights. If they lived local, decided to actually show any interest in the land, I'd be honoring their wishes, but when the situation is as it is, I see right through the No Trespassing signs. Sorry if that make me sound like a "Slob Hunter," but it is what I do in this specific situaiton.

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It's just a deer.

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OK - you are a poacher.

Where they live and the fact you do not agree with how they wish to use THEIR property is no justification for you to trespass and ignore their rights. The willingness of some to decide that they can do what they wish because it feels right to their own moral code is disturbing. Youv'e hunted it for 15 years and have somehow earned the right to continue so reeks of socialistic welfare entitlement. They did not earn the rights to the property in your mind and you hunt it - therefore you are entitled to continued use? Amazing!

No, you became a slob hunter when you decided to shot an animal you might not legally recover because you are willing to trespass while pursuing a recreational hobby.

I have always thought that ethics where based on what you would do when no one but you would know.
Obviously to many, ethics are what you can get away with.

If you truly respect the animal more then the person - fine.
Show it by not not being willing to break the laws you don't like in the pursuit of them.
Putting the "respect" of an animal over the rights of humans is the plank that ARA's stand on - and apparently a convenient excuse for many hunters to not limit themselves where it does not suit them.

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Bigj I do respect all land owners, I doubt I will ever be in the situation. But until you or I are standing 5 steps from a deer on land we are not allowed; none of us really know what we would do.

It stops with common sense.

And my only wish to those who say they would not, is when or if it happens, it's a booner;) Like i said talk is cheap.

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Wow Jeff ... hit and run! :D Wanna expand on that ..... if ya come back on ... by the way .... I miss ya!!!

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If I lived somewhere that didn't allow me to retreive my game I would do something to get the law changed then this isn't an issue. I don't have that problem in Wis but if I was hunting somewhere else I wouldn't let any deer rot in the woods. Even if I was breaking the law. Thats how strongly I feel about not using the game I harvest. The anti hunting people should agree to letting you retrieve game because leaving game go to waste goes against everything they believe. I wonder if the jerk that won't let you retrieve your deer would be opposed to you entering to put out a fire or to rescuethem if they were laying under atree they just cut down?

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I ask that same question;) BTW my Grandfather of my step Dads and his uncle were the owners who did not let a soul on their land.

So I see both sides here.

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Ha! A well placed hit and run, though. PT, did you mean "expand" or "expound"?:D

Reading some of the responses on here, I'm thinking we really need September to roll around.

I really hope that I don't ever find myself in your "hypothetical" sitatuation, Tony.It's been said by others, but I don't think we know for certain what action we'll take until we're standing at that exact place at that exact time.I do everything in my power to ensure that I don't end up there. When I'm hunting private land, I've always made sure that I have the adjacent land-owners permission, in advance, to cross to retrieve a deer... even if it's not posted. It's not mine and I don't have any business there without permission. I had to cross the line twice this year to retrieve deer, and even though I had permission, I still called them to let them know I was crossing the line.

I haven't encountered a land-owner yet who said "no" to the request in advance. I know there are some out there, and when I do find one, I may not like the answer, but that's his right. I'll just hunt far enough away from the line and avoid the problem.

On a side note.... I love the way some folks seem to think that someone who doesn't thinkor feel the way that they do MUST be wrong. One comment somewhere back in the pages of this thread mentioned "card carrying tree huggers" or something like that. Funny... my wife has a sticker in her back window that says "I'm an official Card Carrying Tree Hugger", and it stays parked right next to my pickup with a Mathews decal on the left, a Rath Buck decal on the right and the words "Nock 'em Dead" in the middle. She loves venison. Not all "tree huggers" are against us.