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huntingson 02-15-2008 09:06 AM

WWYD (what would you do)????
 
I was looking through my trail cam pics from the last couple of weeks and I saw numerous pictures of a fawn doe whose rear left leg is dead. The leg is swollen, the hair is falling off, the skin is discolored and quite nasty. It is not mangled as if it was broken, it just seems it got some terrible infection that is definitely going to kill her. So, there inlies the dilema. Should I shoot her out of season, obviously breaking the law,to put her out of her misery, or do I just let nature take its course? I am really torn by this. It is hard to see an animal suffering like that. Especially one that I have such an affinity towards. So, what would you do?

I was going to post pics, but it really is something you don't want to see. It is disgusting.

Matt / PA 02-15-2008 09:09 AM

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I knowthat sort of thingbothers you/us aswe genuinely care about the animals we hunt, (which is hard for many non/anti-hunters to understand or comprehend)........but nature isn't a coloring book. Let it take it's course.

HuntinGUS 02-15-2008 09:10 AM

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I would put herout of her misery. Would a call to the game warden do any good? Perhaps they could kill her and all wouldbe well.

Germ 02-15-2008 09:10 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 
To be honest I would go Varmit Hunting this weekend

DeerStalker80 02-15-2008 09:10 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 
Anyone can hate me for this if they want to but I would take the animal and not let it suffer. Its kind of like a dog would you let your dog continue to live like this or would you put it down or take it to the vet. Well last time I check its kind of hard to get a deer to the vet and even then you would never be able to get the deer back in the general population after that. Respect what you hunt and that deer put it down.

ron3775 02-15-2008 09:11 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 
Contact the DNR and let them know whats going on. They may let you take her out and it would be legal.

MichaelHunsucker 02-15-2008 09:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: ron3775

Contact the DNR and let them know whats going on. They may let you take her out and it would be legal.
Thats what i was thinking...

MarquetteMagnum 02-15-2008 09:16 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 
Go squirrle hunting and make some coyete bait, its the right thing to do. If you don't a slow painfull death by getting toar apart by coyotes is the only fait she will have. Make it quick and the coyotes will still get theirs.

bawanajim 02-15-2008 09:20 AM

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It's not evenquestionable in my mind.We as humanshave the ability to think with reason.If it were your dog,horse Or any other animal you care about you do not make them suffer.
A quick bullet will cause the inevitable ,just painlessly.

brucelanthier 02-15-2008 09:20 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 

ORIGINAL: ron3775

Contact the DNR and let them know whats going on. They may let you take her out and it would be legal.
+2

If they don't allow you to do anything then.........

ORIGINAL: Matt / PA

I knowthat sort of thingbothers you/us aswe genuinely care about the animals we hunt, (which is hard for many non/anti-hunters to understand or comprehend)........but nature isn't a coloring book. Let it take it's course.

brucelanthier 02-15-2008 09:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: bawanajim

It's not evenquestionable in my mind.We as humanshave the ability to think with reason.If it were your dog,horse Or any other animal you care about you do not make them suffer.
A quick bullet will cause the inevitable ,just painlessly.
I tend to agree with you but the dog or horse, etc. is your property. The deer is the states property. Just likewe can't kill someone else's dog or horse because it is suffering because it is their property then.......

huntingson 02-15-2008 09:29 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 
Well, I called the wildlife officer for my area. He took today off, is off this weekend, and the office is closed on Monday. Of course. I should have seen that coming[&:]

125py 02-15-2008 09:29 AM

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would it be worth it if you got caught???????????????????????????????????

recurver167 02-15-2008 09:30 AM

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Ma'nature rears her head and it's not always pretty.I saw a young one last weekend all gimped up also.We as people want to fix all the wrongs but often we shouldn't.IMO Let nature take it's course and think twice on iffs shots is the best we can do.

huntingson 02-15-2008 09:32 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 

ORIGINAL: 125py

would it be worth it if you got caught???????????????????????????????????
You know, that is really the least of my concerns. I'll pay the fine if I have to, but in all reality I bet the game warden wouldn't really care anyway. Mine is more a morals than legal issue. I don't know if I would rather let nature be nature, or if I should do something to "help nature" which sounds rather arrogant to say. I don't know.

mobow 02-15-2008 09:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: Matt / PA

I knowthat sort of thingbothers you/us aswe genuinely care about the animals we hunt, (which is hard for many non/anti-hunters to understand or comprehend)........but nature isn't a coloring book. Let it take it's course.
Sad though it is, I agree. You never know what other critter you may be saving by allowing it to be caught and eaten....Sadly, this doe isn't the only suffering critter in the woods, maybe this needs to happen to save something else....It's hard, I know. I don't like to see them suffer either.

salukipv1 02-15-2008 09:39 AM

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Can call fish n game, and they may issue a tag/ shoot the doe, I'd try them first.

virginiashadow 02-15-2008 09:44 AM

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I was driving down the street with my two small kids two years ago when I saw a doe pulling itself across the road, with its back broken. She pulled herself to the side of the road and just laid there most of the time, sometimes thrashing around trying to walk. There were hundreds of cars driving by every ten minutes, but none stopped to "help" her. Luckily I had just come in from bowhunting and had my bow with me. I drove right past the doe because I did not want my kids to see what I was about ready to do...but I turned around through traffic and parked my truck so that noone would see the "kill".....I am not much of a religous man but I tell you what, when I took my bow out and knocked it with an arrow, that doe looked at me with a look that said "please help me"....I shot her and ended her suffering. I know I broke some laws about not shooting within a 100 yards of a road, and shooting on private property....but I could not take it.

I say ask the DNR for assistance and possibly show them the pictures. Maybe even ask them if they would like to kill the doe. It says alot to me that you are concerned about this animal.



Bullet Hole Bailey 02-15-2008 09:45 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 

ORIGINAL: mobow


ORIGINAL: Matt / PA

I knowthat sort of thingbothers you/us aswe genuinely care about the animals we hunt, (which is hard for many non/anti-hunters to understand or comprehend)........but nature isn't a coloring book. Let it take it's course.
Sad though it is, I agree. You never know what other critter you may be saving by allowing it to be caught and eaten....Sadly, this doe isn't the only suffering critter in the woods, maybe this needs to happen to save something else....It's hard, I know. I don't like to see them suffer either.
I agree with you Mobow

Armybowhunter28 02-15-2008 09:47 AM

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I would have to put her down, no animal should have to go threw life like that. If you do call the game warden it would be legal. At least she would be out of her misery.

GR8atta2d 02-15-2008 09:49 AM

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Many a deer live on 3 legs. If itlives from the infection, it may just be fine. I haven't seen it, you have.

If it has any chance of recovery, I'd have to let nature run it's course.

huntingson 02-15-2008 09:53 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 

ORIGINAL: GR8atta2d

Many a deer live on 3 legs. If itlives from the infection, it may just be fine. I haven't seen it, you have.

If it has any chance of recovery, I'd have to let nature run it's course.
It is clear that the infection is up into the hip area as well as it is all shrunken in and shrivelled up. My father is a physician and his opinion was that the bone got infected and it is spreading through her body now. He said that they couldn't save a human with all modern medicine at this point. Obviously, that is just an opinion based off of a picture and not an examination.

HuntingBry 02-15-2008 09:55 AM

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I would call the DNR, although I know what the PGC's answer would be, and that would be, "It's not deer season, if you shoot a deer out of season and are caught you will be prosecuted. By the way, where did you say this was occuring?"

With that said I would let nature take its course as sad as it is for that animal. We are not God and shouldn't play God. That deer's end of days may mean the survival of a family of fox, or racoon, or other creature.

Good luck, it's a tough decision.

Rick James 02-15-2008 09:57 AM

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I'd personally let nature take its course most likely.

If I for some reason didn't think this was the best thing and felt I had to take action on it, the last thing I would do is post about it on the internet and/or tell anyone. ;)

PreacherTony 02-15-2008 10:09 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 

ORIGINAL: brucelanthier


ORIGINAL: ron3775

Contact the DNR and let them know whats going on. They may let you take her out and it would be legal.
+2

If they don't allow you to do anything then.........

ORIGINAL: Matt / PA

I knowthat sort of thingbothers you/us aswe genuinely care about the animals we hunt, (which is hard for many non/anti-hunters to understand or comprehend)........but nature isn't a coloring book. Let it take it's course.

I TOTALLY agree with Bruce here ........

LittleChief 02-15-2008 10:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony


ORIGINAL: brucelanthier


ORIGINAL: ron3775

Contact the DNR and let them know whats going on. They may let you take her out and it would be legal.
+2

If they don't allow you to do anything then.........

ORIGINAL: Matt / PA

I knowthat sort of thingbothers you/us aswe genuinely care about the animals we hunt, (which is hard for many non/anti-hunters to understand or comprehend)........but nature isn't a coloring book. Let it take it's course.

I TOTALLY agree with Bruce here ........
You should agree... you're bound to a higher set of laws....[8D] and you're absolutely right. Unfortunately for the injured animal, that's the only right way that I can see to handle it.

bigcountry 02-15-2008 10:22 AM

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No reason to be a poacher. Let well enough alone. Animal kingdom has its set of rules, and works well, if humans can stay out of it.

popeandyoungchaser 02-15-2008 10:31 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 
It is a hard thing to do. The only reason that i have ever shot a deer out of seasonwithout the proper permits was because i hit it with my truck and i was the cause of its injury. I would have to say just let survival of the fittest run its course.

Sooner State Hunter 02-15-2008 10:31 AM

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Absolutely no brainer for me, in less time than it takes to post this, she'd be put out of her misery -no more suffering. You guys think too much. Read the bible and study about the Pharisees, they also took the letter of the law too seriously and were chastised for it.

PreacherTony 02-15-2008 10:36 AM

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those of you that would kill her, you do realize that you would be poaching ...... right? I mean, do what you want, but call it what it is .....

huntingson 02-15-2008 10:40 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 

ORIGINAL: bigcountry

No reason to be a poacher. Let well enough alone. Animal kingdom has its set of rules, and works well, if humans can stay out of it.
We are part of the animal kingdom.

If we let well enough alone and left the animal kingdom (the rest of it) to its own set of rules, then there wouldn't be hunting.

I know that I am twisting your words a bit, and I am not arguing your stanceabout letting the infection kill her. I just have heard the above argument (animal kingdom can takecare of itself)from anti-hunters and so I had to address it. I feel like we as hunters can't take that stance or we lose any argument we have beyond, "I just like to kill stuff.";)


MNpurple 02-15-2008 10:41 AM

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I have taken two different approaches to this same scenario. Last year with Conservation Officer permission (I work for the state) I ended it for a doe who had a broken hind leg and was caught in a very small patch of open water in an otherwise ice coveredriver. The reasonI did this is because I had already received numerous calls about her because she was in the middle of a state park, people concerned some hunter must have wounded her. For this reason I decided to off her. Instead of letting more and more people see her and more and more people come to the same "assumption." It was the right thing to do, legal, and savedface for sportsmen.

Had this same deer been in the woods, away from people, I would have let nature take its course. Its just the way things are meant to be.






MNpurple 02-15-2008 10:44 AM

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This whole thing brings up another question. What if you see a deer like this and you know for a fact that her suffering is a direct result of a slug rifle or arrow wound? Knowing that a hunter has caused this suffering. Now I would almost feel responsible as a hunter[:@].

LittleChief 02-15-2008 10:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter

Absolutely no brainer for me, in less time than it takes to post this, she'd be put out of her misery -no more suffering. You guys think too much. Read the bible and study about the Pharisees, they also took the letter of the law too seriously and were chastised for it.
Interesting.... using a biblical reference to support a point of view that would condone an illegal act.I'm not slamming you in any way...it's just interesting.


GR8atta2d 02-15-2008 10:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: MNpurple

This whole thing brings up another question. What if you see a deer like this and you know for a fact that her suffering is a direct result of a slug rifle or arrow wound? Knowing that a hunter has caused this suffering. Now I would almost feel responsible as a hunter[:@].
That's silly..if someone hurts someone in an automoble accident do you feel responsible as a driver?

Sooner State Hunter 02-15-2008 10:50 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 

ORIGINAL: LittleChief


ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter

Absolutely no brainer for me, in less time than it takes to post this, she'd be put out of her misery -no more suffering. You guys think too much. Read the bible and study about the Pharisees, they also took the letter of the law too seriously and were chastised for it.
Interesting.... using a biblical reference to support a point of view that would condone an illegal act.I'm not slamming you in any way...it's just interesting.

If you study the gospels, my analogy is sound.

bigcountry 02-15-2008 10:55 AM

RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
 

ORIGINAL: huntingson


ORIGINAL: bigcountry

No reason to be a poacher. Let well enough alone. Animal kingdom has its set of rules, and works well, if humans can stay out of it.
We are part of the animal kingdom.

If we let well enough alone and left the animal kingdom (the rest of it) to its own set of rules, then there wouldn't be hunting.

I know that I am twisting your words a bit, and I am not arguing your stanceabout letting the infection kill her. I just have heard the above argument (animal kingdom can takecare of itself)from anti-hunters and so I had to address it. I feel like we as hunters can't take that stance or we lose any argument we have beyond, "I just like to kill stuff.";)

I am not sure what antis say I will admit. But nature can be cruel. I was watching a crow litterly killing a small song bird last week, and then out of nowhere, I saw a monster hawk, slam the crow and small bird.Scared thelife out of me, it happened so violently and unexpected. My first gut instint was to interrupt them as they were only 10 yards from me and let the small song bird go, but then I thought, its not my place. God almighty has made the animal kingdom the way it is, and its a good system. Animals got to eat, all of them.

Its human to have feelings about it. But I need to step back and see the big picture.

virginiashadow 02-15-2008 10:55 AM

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It is funny to me how far "institutionalized" we have all become....we might as well let the government tell us what to do, down to what type of toilet paper we use. Preacher, call it what you want as we all know "poaching" is the not only the hunting of animals outside of hunting season, but killing animals for your betterment, whether it be a bucks rack, or whatever.....this man is thinking of putting a wounded deer out of its misery...MUCH DIFFERENT and I say the hell with the regulations.

PreacherTony 02-15-2008 10:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter


ORIGINAL: LittleChief


ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter

Absolutely no brainer for me, in less time than it takes to post this, she'd be put out of her misery -no more suffering. You guys think too much. Read the bible and study about the Pharisees, they also took the letter of the law too seriously and were chastised for it.
Interesting.... using a biblical reference to support a point of view that would condone an illegal act.I'm not slamming you in any way...it's just interesting.

If you study the gospels, my analogy is sound.
I study them and disagree with you Sooner .... Jesus said to "do what they say, not as they do" ...... LC, you are correct in your post .....

bigcountry 02-15-2008 10:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter


ORIGINAL: LittleChief


ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter

Absolutely no brainer for me, in less time than it takes to post this, she'd be put out of her misery -no more suffering. You guys think too much. Read the bible and study about the Pharisees, they also took the letter of the law too seriously and were chastised for it.
Interesting.... using a biblical reference to support a point of view that would condone an illegal act.I'm not slamming you in any way...it's just interesting.

If you study the gospels, my analogy is sound.
I do study it, and no its not sound IMO.


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