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RE: WWYD (what would you do)????
I agree with you Sooner--Mans laws are not gods laws.
"Interesting.... using a biblical reference to support a point of view that would condone an illegal act.I'm not slamming you in any way...it's just interesting. " So you think every law made on this here earth was put here by god himself? I think not and in fact, I know not. Brett |
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ORIGINAL: virginiashadow ........we all know "poaching" is the not only the hunting of animals outside of hunting season, but killing animals for your betterment, whether it be a bucks rack, or whatever and for the record ... if someone decided to put the animal out of their misery ..... I wouldn't think less of them .... it was their call and their gamble ..... I sure wouldn't blow them in ........ |
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If you study the gospels, my analogy is sound. |
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"but killing animals for your betterment, whether it be a bucks rack, or whatever"
Poaching means killing animals outside of the hunting season for personal gain..... What he is trying to do has nothing to do with personal gain so therefore it is NOT poaching....that is what I meant. shadow |
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Leave her be, after checking with the DNR.
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ORIGINAL: virginiashadow ORIGINAL: LittleChief "Interesting.... using a biblical reference to support a point of view that would condone an illegal act.I'm not slamming you in any way...it's just interesting. " Brett How you managedto arrive at that conclusion based on what I said is beyond me. |
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I'd let nature run it's course. It happens more than we know, it's part of life.
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ORIGINAL: virginiashadow I agree with you Sooner--Mans laws are not gods laws. So you think every law made on this here earth was put here by god himself? I think not and in fact, I know not. Brett |
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" "Interesting.... using a biblical reference to support a point of view that would condone an illegal act.I'm not slamming you in any way...it's just interesting. " "
Illegal acts are made up by governments via laws. God does not run our governments but instead lets men choose their destinies. Therefore one's "act" may be defined as an "illegal act" if looked at by the government's perspective, where it may just be defined as an "act" by god, as god's law and man's law do not coincide in very many areas. That is what I was getting at and I am sorry if I took your statement and twisted it up LittleChief. Sorry if I am getting a little fired up...sometimes I just wish people could see the big picture(not that I do) and make decisions, real decisions instead of always having to run to our daddy, the government for permission. Brett |
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I'm not going to get into a biblical debate, but I stand FIRMLY behind what I said because I believe it to be the truth. Read my signature, the responsibility of ruling over creatures means taking care of them and ending an obvious case of suffering is part of it, not just taking care of them when it means you get a trophy on your wall. Get real, you guys are making it much more complicated than it is. Before this thread I'd never had believed HUNTERS would thinklike this.
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I would call the DEC and my bet is that they would take care of it, but if not, I would put her out of her misery. It is the moral thing to do.
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ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter I'm not going to get into a biblical debate, but I stand FIRMLY behind what I said because I believe it to be the truth. Read my signature, the responsibility of ruling over creatures means taking care of them and ending an obvious case of suffering is part of it, not just taking care of them when it means you get a trophy on your wall. Get real, you guys are making it much more complicated than it is. Before this thread I'd never had believed HUNTERS would thinklike this. |
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Shadow,
No harm... no foul. It's all good. My statement said exactly what I meant. Kind of like GMMATs old disclaimer "I mean what I write". I simply found it interesting that a reference from the bible could be used as an argument for doing something that is considered illegal. |
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ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter I'm not going to get into a biblical debate, but I stand FIRMLY behind what I said because I believe it to be the truth. Read my signature, the responsibility of ruling over creatures means taking care of them and ending an obvious case of suffering is part of it, not just taking care of them when it means you get a trophy on your wall. Get real, you guys are making it much more complicated than it is. Before this thread I'd never had believed HUNTERS would thinklike this. I didn't say I disagreed with what you said. I just said I found it interesting. You're jousting a windmill here, my friend. |
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Hey PT.....got a question for ya.....coming up.
I've often said that "Ethics is doing the right thing.....when even the wrong thing isn't against the law". That works both ways, though;) Here's a scenario....... Family is rowing around in the city lake in a rented rowboat. Little girl stands up on her seat and falls into the water. You start to jump in after her......but notice the sign that reads "NO SWIMMING ALLOWED". Do you do what's "right"......or break the law? In each situation before us (Huntingson's and my hypothetical).....I trust myself to makeTHE correct"ethical" choice. |
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ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter I'm not going to get into a biblical debate, but I stand FIRMLY behind what I said because I believe it to be the truth. Read my signature, the responsibility of ruling over creatures means taking care of them and ending an obvious case of suffering is part of it, not just taking care of them when it means you get a trophy on your wall. Get real, you guys are making it much more complicated than it is. Before this thread I'd never had believed HUNTERS would thinklike this. |
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ORIGINAL: LittleChief ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter I'm not going to get into a biblical debate, but I stand FIRMLY behind what I said because I believe it to be the truth. Read my signature, the responsibility of ruling over creatures means taking care of them and ending an obvious case of suffering is part of it, not just taking care of them when it means you get a trophy on your wall. Get real, you guys are making it much more complicated than it is. Before this thread I'd never had believed HUNTERS would thinklike this. I didn't say I disagreed with what you said. I just said I found it interesting. You're jousting a windmill here, my friend. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Hey PT.....got a question for ya.....coming up. I've often said that "Ethics is doing the right thing.....when even the wrong thing isn't against the law". That works both ways, though;) Here's a scenario....... Family is rowing around in the city lake in a rented rowboat. Little girl stands up on her seat and falls into the water. You start to jump in after her......but notice the sign that reads "NO SWIMMING ALLOWED". Do you do what's "right"......or break the law? In each situation before us (Huntingson's and my hypothetical).....I trust myself to makeTHE correct"ethical" choice. Where've you been? I expected you tochime in before now. Since the "can of worms" is already open, I guess you're just peeling the lid back a little more.:D You're right, of course... there should always a point where doing the "right" thing over-rides the law and common sense prevails. Murder is against the law, but killing someone who is about to kill someone else can result inno charges being filed. It's a non-minor misdemeanor to kill a domesticated animal, but killing one that's attackingwould result in no charges being filed. In this case though, I don't think many COs would back you up if you put it out of it's misery. |
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In this case though, I don't think many COs would back you up if you put it out of it's misery. |
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Maybe seeing the pics would change some minds. I know what I would do, at the risk of being called a poacher.
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Shoot it if you can find it. Don't tell anyone and if you do accidentally tell someone; shoot them too, as the only way to keep a secret if two people know something, is if one of them is dead. Hope you like my advise.:D
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Agreed. The CO is a non-issue unless you're one of the extremely unlucky ones who happens to get caught.:D It's a decision each of us would have to make based on our own beliefs. To me, it's that simple.
Edited to add that I don't think there'd be anything for you and God to work out. I truly believe that in his eyes, you'd have done the right thing despite the fact that it was against the "law" down here. Sooner/Shadow.... does that help explain my point of view? |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Hey PT.....got a question for ya.....coming up. I've often said that "Ethics is doing the right thing.....when even the wrong thing isn't against the law". That works both ways, though;) Here's a scenario....... Family is rowing around in the city lake in a rented rowboat. Little girl stands up on her seat and falls into the water. You start to jump in after her......but notice the sign that reads "NO SWIMMING ALLOWED". Do you do what's "right"......or break the law? In each situation before us (Huntingson's and my hypothetical).....I trust myself to makeTHE correct"ethical" choice. Like I said before .... if someone chose to take the animal out .... I would not think any less of them ...... I just would go with Bruce's response to the original question .... |
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I would let the Department of Natural Resources take care of it. As much as it sucks to see the animal suffering, it is not worth the consequences.
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ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter ORIGINAL: PreacherTony ORIGINAL: Sooner State Hunter I'm not going to get into a biblical debate, but I stand FIRMLY behind what I said because I believe it to be the truth. Read my signature, the responsibility of ruling over creatures means taking care of them and ending an obvious case of suffering is part of it, not just taking care of them when it means you get a trophy on your wall. Get real, you guys are making it much more complicated than it is. Before this thread I'd never had believed HUNTERS would thinklike this. |
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ORIGINAL: huntingson I was looking through my trail cam pics from the last couple of weeks and I saw numerous pictures of a fawn doe whose rear left leg is dead. The leg is swollen, the hair is falling off, the skin is discolored and quite nasty. It is not mangled as if it was broken, it just seems it got some terrible infection that is definitely going to kill her. So, there inlies the dilema. Should I shoot her out of season, obviously breaking the law,to put her out of her misery, or do I just let nature take its course? I am really torn by this. It is hard to see an animal suffering like that. Especially one that I have such an affinity towards. So, what would you do? I was going to post pics, but it really is something you don't want to see. It is disgusting. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Hey PT.....got a question for ya.....coming up. I've often said that "Ethics is doing the right thing.....when even the wrong thing isn't against the law". That works both ways, though;) Here's a scenario....... Family is rowing around in the city lake in a rented rowboat. Little girl stands up on her seat and falls into the water. You start to jump in after her......but notice the sign that reads "NO SWIMMING ALLOWED". Do you do what's "right"......or break the law? In each situation before us (Huntingson's and my hypothetical).....I trust myself to makeTHE correct"ethical" choice. Why not let nature deal with it? I don't understand that? You're saying the ethical choice is essetially poaching an animal. Thats sort of an oxymoron. |
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ORIGINAL: MN/Kyle ORIGINAL: GMMAT Hey PT.....got a question for ya.....coming up. I've often said that "Ethics is doing the right thing.....when even the wrong thing isn't against the law". That works both ways, though;) Here's a scenario....... Family is rowing around in the city lake in a rented rowboat. Little girl stands up on her seat and falls into the water. You start to jump in after her......but notice the sign that reads "NO SWIMMING ALLOWED". Do you do what's "right"......or break the law? In each situation before us (Huntingson's and my hypothetical).....I trust myself to makeTHE correct"ethical" choice. Why not let nature deal with it? I don't understand that? You're saying the ethical choice is essetially poaching an animal. Thats sort of an oxymoron. i agree |
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Good news! While you were all pontificating, the deer in question probably died!
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PT it's as much "Swimming" as putting an animal out of it's misery is "hunting".
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The animal should be put down, but I wouldn't go breaking any laws without an accomplice in law enforcement. Down here, if I called the GW, he would most likely come help shoot it himself. Call your wildlife enforcement folks and see what they can offer.
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I don't think that there is a right or wrong answer in this case.
Were this a deer with a bad FRONT leg I would say to let it go. Deer missing a front leg is not all that unusual. The injured leg dies and eventually falls off. My father saw a three legged doe with twins once, but as I said, I'm only aware of deer missing a front leg never a hind leg. Bob |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Hey PT.....got a question for ya.....coming up. I've often said that "Ethics is doing the right thing.....when even the wrong thing isn't against the law". That works both ways, though;) Here's a scenario....... Family is rowing around in the city lake in a rented rowboat. Little girl stands up on her seat and falls into the water. You start to jump in after her......but notice the sign that reads "NO SWIMMING ALLOWED". Do you do what's "right"......or break the law? In each situation before us (Huntingson's and my hypothetical).....I trust myself to makeTHE correct"ethical" choice. |
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I don't want to be in the religious conflict or whatever, I would personally contact DNR and tell them the devastating situation, if they say to let it be, then make YOUR OWN PERSONAL CHOICE, everyone in here would do something different, it all depends on what kind of person YOU are. I can tell that you want to take this animal to stop its suffering, I would do the deed and go on with life and not pay attention to the critiques that you will get, everyone critisizes others, you have to be your own person, do what YOU want, we are only human, do what you feel.
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Honest question.....real life example.
Lisa and I were headed up the road a few weeks ago. We went by a guardrail and I noticed a doe laying there with her head up. I got off at the next exit.......turned around.....made a big loop and got back there. I walked back to where the doe was and her legs front were mangled up pretty badly....panting up a storm. So.......what do you do? I can tell you that if I would have had a weapon....she'd have been dead in seconds. Would I have been a "poacher"? Call me what you would have. I didn't have a weapon....which is the ONLY reason the GW got a call. He came and dispatched her. Should she have been left to give it a go on her own......"will to survive"? Every once in a while we are forced to make these type decisions. I put my dog down last year when she was sick. I made that decision for her. I woud have (and ultimately did) made that decision for that doe, that day. I sleep really well. Actuallly in your example, you would be violation of the law if you didn't save the girl if you can swim. |
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ORIGINAL: MichaelHunsucker ORIGINAL: ron3775 Contact the DNR and let them know whats going on. They may let you take her out and it would be legal. |
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ORIGINAL: GMMAT Honest question.....real life example. Lisa and I were headed up the road a few weeks ago. We went by a guardrail and I noticed a doe laying there with her head up. I got off at the next exit.......turned around.....made a big loop and got back there. I walked back to where the doe was and her legs front were mangled up pretty badly....panting up a storm. So.......what do you do? I can tell you that if I would have had a weapon....she'd have been dead in seconds. Would I have been a "poacher"? Call me what you would have. I didn't have a weapon....which is the ONLY reason the GW got a call. He came and dispatched her. Should she have been left to give it a go on her own......"will to survive"? Every once in a while we are forced to make these type decisions. I put my dog down last year when she was sick. I made that decision for her. I woud have (and ultimately did) made that decision for that doe, that day. I sleep really well. Actuallly in your example, you would be violation of the law if you didn't save the girl if you can swim. |
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Oh yea in your state, you let a doctor pass up a dying person and see what happens. Criminal Neglectance is a very grey area that could be used against you. Not worth arguing over....and your point is taken (re: letting nature take its course). "I" (opinion) just feel like there are times when it's appropriate for an outside party to step in. I respect your opinion. |
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My vote for mother nature. I think you would have more on your consious if you took her out of season.
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