Everywhere I'm familiar with that has crop damage permits does NOT allow the carcass to be utilized, you have to leave it where it's shot.
Here in MD and NJ they shoot them in the guts with .222 and such so they run back and die in the woods, and don't litter up the fields with dead deer.
Disgusting.
A man has to make a living, but shooting does in July so their fawns definitely die, or shooting them in the guts so they don't die in the fieled, makes you want to take a permit out on the shooter.
I know quite a few farms where the land is leased to hunters, and they have no idea about the deer shot during the summer by the landowner.


"In heaven, even the fish have antlers"

I guess it's a good thing Wisconsin considers our deer herd a natural resource! Our crop damage kills are consumed just like everything else. Anything else is a waste of a natural resource and should be punishable by law!



Edited by - bowfanatic on 02/10/2003 17:33:13

where I hunt, farmers get permits all the time from the DEC. Most of the deer are shot at night with spotlights, aim for the eyes. Many times the deer are given to food drives.

Nobody likes having there deer shot underneath them. But I am out there trying to put racks on the wall, the farmers are trying to pay there mortgage and feed their kids. I can't fault them.

6ptSika... I've never seen a crop damage permit that said I had to leave the animal laying. In fact, I hunt on a crop damage permit and will have two different farms this year. We are issued X amount of tags for the property. Ours have always stipulated "Doe Only". We tag the deer and use the meat. In fact, we keep the tags for one property in a pump house. One night we were hunting 100 yards away and didn't pick up a tag. We shot a deer, and were met at the trucks when we dragged it out. He ask where the tag was, when we pointed and showed him he said, take it with you and fill it out in the field. OF course he was right, we just forgot to pick one up.

CHEF #1: I appreciate your pain. The crop damage farms I hunt never get large numbers of tags. The year before last 10, and the reissued when we filled them in a week with bows. This past year 10 but we quit at that point. The farm next to one place I hunt killed 197, 100, and 100 in 3 consecutive years. I say that was to much. They left some laying. Because of who the land owner was(politics) it would have done no good to say anything about the waste. They didn't leave them all, but the year the shot 197 I found several they'd just thrown in the weeds boarding our line.

However again, if you could have seen some of the damage done to their crops and some of the herds of deer, you would know why it was necessary to do something. For years our state stuck their head in the sand on increasing the bag limits. Land access is harder every year with more and more areas becoming locked. Now the herd has exploded over the past 15 years and they're playing catch up. So Maryland went from a state where you could shoot a couple deer a year 10 years ago to "UNLIMITED" doe tags(free) in some counties. The problem didn't happen over night. It came about from years of mismanagment. I think that's one thing all the QDM talk has done. It's educated some of the "EXPERTS" who are suppose to look out for these problems before they happen.

Here on Long Island most of the permits are does only unless they are a nursery or tree farm where they have rubbing damage. One of biggest things is that most of the "shooters" on the permits want to shoot only the big bucks which doesn't help the farmer because the does will be breed and there will be more deer next year and his problem will persist. Also many of the shooters don't start shooting on the nuisance permit until September when the velvet is off the antleres which tells you that they are only looking to shoot bucks. This is also true with the bowhunters that hunt these farms. There are alot of bowhunters who don't want to shoot does and help with a over population of deer, that is why DEC gives out bonus permits (for a buck or another doe) for shooting a doe when you use a DMU tag. There are also farmers who don't really need a permit that they have some hunters pushing them to get a permit so they can shoot a big buck. This a tough call whichever way you look at it. The hunters would like to have the deer around so they have a chance at them during the season yet on the other hand you may have a farmer who is making a living on the crops he grows. I can't fault either side as long as the farmer really needs the nuisance permit.

I've heard about these nusiance permits, but that sounds like slaughter to me. I say maybe we should donate a dollar a piece to the fund to stop the slaughter!<img src=icon_smile_angry.gif border=0 align=middle>

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WI has these types of permits although they are not to be shot and left. Many farmers hand out the permits to friends etc. One thing about WI though is that if they receive these permits they have to allow tresspassing for hunting. I don't know how many, but they do have to allow some.

Chef #1; Just a friendly suggestion....please don't post in all caps. It makes it much harder to read. No offense!<img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

&quot;Semper Fi&quot; Mac!

Chef this happens all across the country...and the DNR is the entity that issues the permits. From the reaction that I'm seeing here it appears as though some of you are as radical about persuing this as the anti's are about stopping us from hunting. You need to consider all of the facts before you pass judgement, go to the media, and file lawsuites. BTW moving a bail of hay closer to the house isn't going to keep deer from eating it. Truth be known, killing 65 to 75 deer in a few hundred acres, looks like they have an overpopulation problem to start with. Even the herd out, the crop damage will slow down and the herd will become healthier. So I'm suggesting that you don't get so radical about this issue w/o doing some homework first. Go to the media with it and the antis will love you for it!

I agree with Belle Island on this one.

&quot;Pain is weakness leaving the body&quot;

So the farmer has a point of view, big deal. So does chef. Not sure how a lawsuit could be helpful, unless you can prove loss, probably financial, but I don't have the slightest knowlege of Mich. law. Would be interesting to know how safely this whole thing was done.

I wonder who he sells his product to, and how they would feel being associated with this wildlife kill. Lots of pictures the more graphic the better.

You can definetly take it to the media, but in a questioning way: Gosh I didn't know people were allowed to do it? Is there a health problem with leaving carcases around? Will it attract wolves or rabid Cayotes, I mean I have kids? Didn't all that Mad Cow start with cows feeding on carcases, is our food safe? The deer were scattered all over the place, did he have a safe backstop for all those shots? Where these hunters trained in any way to shoot at night? How did those shot deer end up on other peoples' property, were the shooters tresspassing? Can I move the deer, or will the DNR arrest me for hunting out of season, and seize all my property? Is there a financial provision for removing the carcases? Are my kids safe from lyme disease if they play near the dead deer? (The questions don't have to be smart, wanting to look smart is the death of a lot of useful subversion).

Gosh I really respect the right to farm (bumper stickers should be on your cars), and those people he sells his food to (repeat names at least three times), but this just has me real concerned for whether it is safe around here...

If you want to take the high hand, then you have to be sure of all your facts, and relatively certain that the public is more sympathetic to tree huggers and hunters, than farmers.

Before heating it up, you want as much info as possible. Why did the DNR offer such a broad permit?