I hate people who are like this!
02-08-2008 | 05:12 PM
#21
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From: Blissfield MI USA
RE: I hate people who are like this!
Well when you see him let him know I don't particularly care for people that fish for sharks.
At least when we hunt we identify our target and cleanly kill it, or at least make our best effort to. Fishing is sort of a crap shoot.
Besides fishing seems a bit more cruel than hunting deer to me. I still do it though to be honest. And I'm the worst because I catch and release. How mean is that when you think about it.
As far as fish not feeling pain, well I'm not a fish so its pretty hard to say. And until one can talk to us it is just a theory. I was always under the impression that they didn't have any nerve endings in the lip area, not that they couldn't feel pain at all. I know that when my fish in my fish tank nip at each other one takes off, they don't just sit there and take it. So they must register something.
There is a lot we don't know, for all we know plants feel pain. Just because they can't express it or we don't know how to verify it doesn't meant it isn't so.
I'll tell you what though, if they ever discover that they can I'm not going to quit eating corn and taters (only vegetables I really like).
Paul
At least when we hunt we identify our target and cleanly kill it, or at least make our best effort to. Fishing is sort of a crap shoot.
Besides fishing seems a bit more cruel than hunting deer to me. I still do it though to be honest. And I'm the worst because I catch and release. How mean is that when you think about it.
As far as fish not feeling pain, well I'm not a fish so its pretty hard to say. And until one can talk to us it is just a theory. I was always under the impression that they didn't have any nerve endings in the lip area, not that they couldn't feel pain at all. I know that when my fish in my fish tank nip at each other one takes off, they don't just sit there and take it. So they must register something.
There is a lot we don't know, for all we know plants feel pain. Just because they can't express it or we don't know how to verify it doesn't meant it isn't so.
I'll tell you what though, if they ever discover that they can I'm not going to quit eating corn and taters (only vegetables I really like).
Paul
02-08-2008 | 05:25 PM
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RE: I hate people who are like this!
im sick of these kinds of people specialy the ones that say you can just go out and shoot a deer anytime maybe one day they will wake up and realize what it acutaly takes to be sucsfull in the field
02-08-2008 | 05:31 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: I hate people who are like this!
ORIGINAL: mauser06
charismatic megafauna ruins alot of people...they rather have a black bear protected, though theres piles of them in the particular state, but could give 2 piles less about a highly threatened snake or something that isnt "cute n cuddly" looking...big problem for managers because the ugly critters get no love, and in turn, no funding....
charismatic megafauna ruins alot of people...they rather have a black bear protected, though theres piles of them in the particular state, but could give 2 piles less about a highly threatened snake or something that isnt "cute n cuddly" looking...big problem for managers because the ugly critters get no love, and in turn, no funding....
02-08-2008 | 06:41 PM
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RE: I hate people who are like this!
Next time tell him that he is a hunter, he is just hunting fish.
As for live wells, I think that the bass touneys have about ruined the enjoyment of bass fishing. When my boy and I fish a pond, we keep a few 3/4 to 1 pound bass and release the larger and smaller ones. We also keep the bluegills that are large enough. I think this approach keeps a pond in balance. A pond needs the larger fish. Bass is about my favorite fish to EAT.
I EAT trout too, but I quit fishing at one or two, I don't clean a place out. I don't have many released fish die either because I don't generally release trout. (I obey the law though and avoid catch and release fisheries.) I kind of see that as torturing fish for enjoyment instead of harvesting food.
Bob
As for live wells, I think that the bass touneys have about ruined the enjoyment of bass fishing. When my boy and I fish a pond, we keep a few 3/4 to 1 pound bass and release the larger and smaller ones. We also keep the bluegills that are large enough. I think this approach keeps a pond in balance. A pond needs the larger fish. Bass is about my favorite fish to EAT.
I EAT trout too, but I quit fishing at one or two, I don't clean a place out. I don't have many released fish die either because I don't generally release trout. (I obey the law though and avoid catch and release fisheries.) I kind of see that as torturing fish for enjoyment instead of harvesting food.
Bob
02-08-2008 | 06:52 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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RE: I hate people who are like this!
ORIGINAL: virginiashadow
Soap and Schultzy----if your fishing friend needs a little attitude adjustment, I have a friend that will take care of it for you.........
Soap and Schultzy----if your fishing friend needs a little attitude adjustment, I have a friend that will take care of it for you.........
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02-08-2008 | 07:27 PM
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RE: I hate people who are like this!
i had a relitive it is ok to eat cows but then says that we should not hunt because we do not feed the deer but we feed the cows
that god feeds the deer so there his animals
i said did that feed you feed the cows just show up with out god making it
that god feeds the deer so there his animals
i said did that feed you feed the cows just show up with out god making it
02-08-2008 | 07:40 PM
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From: longwood florida usa
RE: I hate people who are like this!
This isa very deep philosophical subject that can't be discussed in terms of rationalizations about feeling pain, stewardship, resource management etc. The bald face reality of the matter is that there are a small percentage of people in our modern day society that still have a strong predatory nature working in their lives. Some of which have been able to release this compelling urge through hunting. The others are still looking for their place to be predatory. The vast majority of people in our society are not living by natural law (urbanized) and have lost their predatory nature. They have become extremely passive and that's why fishing, bird hunting and the like are more acceptable forms of being a sportsman in the outdoors. Also, remember when we kill another warm blooded big game animal ( like ourselves) our spirits have soared beyond the mundacity of ordinary modern day behavior.
02-09-2008 | 10:59 PM
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RE: I hate people who are like this!
ORIGINAL: ABarOfSoap
Me and this guy were having a conversation about fishing, hes a big fisherman and shark fishes and all things like that, one thing lead to another and i started talking about hunting, he went on to tell me how wrong hunting is and its so unfair to kill a harmless deer, and how there so easy to kill...I meet so many people who are so against hunting yet they fish, and thats perfectly ok because fish arent cute and furry.
Ya because reeling a fish in by the mouth, and throwing him on ice to slowly die is alot more humane.
Me and this guy were having a conversation about fishing, hes a big fisherman and shark fishes and all things like that, one thing lead to another and i started talking about hunting, he went on to tell me how wrong hunting is and its so unfair to kill a harmless deer, and how there so easy to kill...I meet so many people who are so against hunting yet they fish, and thats perfectly ok because fish arent cute and furry.
Ya because reeling a fish in by the mouth, and throwing him on ice to slowly die is alot more humane.
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