What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
02-06-2008, 05:45 PM
#81
Boone & Crockett
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
The canting of the bow will most definitely shoot low ... all things being equal ..... the more you cant the bow .... the lower and more right it will shoot ... again, all things being equal .... picture from the peep to the sight being the center ... then rotate the bow, keeping the pin on the target, the position of the arrow rotates right and ldown, (assuming you are canting to the right) .... keep turning hunter and bow until he is standing on his head ..... the arrow will be off the approximate distance from the sight to the arrow x2 ...... you guys gettin it?
The canting of the bow will most definitely shoot low ... all things being equal ..... the more you cant the bow .... the lower and more right it will shoot ... again, all things being equal .... picture from the peep to the sight being the center ... then rotate the bow, keeping the pin on the target, the position of the arrow rotates right and ldown, (assuming you are canting to the right) .... keep turning hunter and bow until he is standing on his head ..... the arrow will be off the approximate distance from the sight to the arrow x2 ...... you guys gettin it?
02-06-2008, 05:46 PM
#82
Giant Nontypical
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
ORIGINAL: Germ
Ok, but what if you cant your bow and it is consistant? One starts of 45 degree and hold through the shot. Being one is looking through a peep would the string and pins not still line up?
BTW I am just trying to understand, being I do not have a peep. TFOX thanks for your help
Ok, but what if you cant your bow and it is consistant? One starts of 45 degree and hold through the shot. Being one is looking through a peep would the string and pins not still line up?
BTW I am just trying to understand, being I do not have a peep. TFOX thanks for your help
02-06-2008, 05:47 PM
#83
Dominant Buck
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
Keeping your head straight up wouldn't do it. Leaning your head 45 degrees to coincide with the angle of the cant wouldn't do it. Your peep/pinline-of-sightare on a completely different line than the launch angle of the arrow and the two lines do not intersect. The arrow will hit far to theleft when the bow is canted 45 degrees to the right and you have the sight pin on the target. What you claim you did is physically impossible.
02-06-2008, 05:49 PM
#84
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
ORIGINAL: GMMAT
I didn't call you a liar, either...(and I KNOW who you're talking about
).
If I was gonna call you a liar.....I'd cite something like your quote in the WB thread that you tried to spin.
But I didn't.
I didn't call you a liar, either...(and I KNOW who you're talking about
).If I was gonna call you a liar.....I'd cite something like your quote in the WB thread that you tried to spin.
But I didn't.
Jeff,
I know it's your mission in life to try and catch me in a lie...........I don't know why but good luck, I don't lie. No spin at all........your actions (and others) in the WB thread and this one only further prove that it's true.Look at the questions about that guys shots in that thread.......the conspiracytheories didn't take long and that guy did everything possible to avoid them because he knowswhat I said is true..........no matter what a single person does there will be people that areon a mission to discredit them. You running down in your basement to try and prove me wrongisa crystal clear example. I'm sure you were terribly disappointed tofind out I didn't make it up
02-06-2008, 05:54 PM
#85
Giant Nontypical
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
ORIGINAL: Germ
Yes i get it, but what if you start off 45 degree cant, then aim?
ORIGINAL: PreacherTony
The canting of the bow will most definitely shoot low ... all things being equal ..... the more you cant the bow .... thehigher and moreleft it will shoot ... again, all things being equal .... picture from the peep to the sight being the center ... then rotate the bow, keeping the pin on the target, the position of the arrow rotatesleft and up, (assuming you are canting to the right) .... keep turning hunter and bow until he is standing on his head ..... the arrow will be off the approximate distance from the sight to the arrow x2 ...... you guys gettin it?
The canting of the bow will most definitely shoot low ... all things being equal ..... the more you cant the bow .... thehigher and moreleft it will shoot ... again, all things being equal .... picture from the peep to the sight being the center ... then rotate the bow, keeping the pin on the target, the position of the arrow rotatesleft and up, (assuming you are canting to the right) .... keep turning hunter and bow until he is standing on his head ..... the arrow will be off the approximate distance from the sight to the arrow x2 ...... you guys gettin it?
As far as your question .... what TFOX said [:-]
02-06-2008, 05:54 PM
#86
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
ORIGINAL: Arthur P
Keeping your head straight up wouldn't do it. Leaning your head 45 degrees to coincide with the angle of the cant wouldn't do it. Your peep/pinline-of-sightare on a completely different line than the launch angle of the arrow and the two lines do not intersect. The arrow will hit far to theleft when the bow is canted 45 degrees to the right and you have the sight pin on the target. What you claim you did is physically impossible.
Keeping your head straight up wouldn't do it. Leaning your head 45 degrees to coincide with the angle of the cant wouldn't do it. Your peep/pinline-of-sightare on a completely different line than the launch angle of the arrow and the two lines do not intersect. The arrow will hit far to theleft when the bow is canted 45 degrees to the right and you have the sight pin on the target. What you claim you did is physically impossible.
Arthur............I can ASSURE you it is not impossible............in fact it wasn't even that difficult. Why on earth would I make it up?
Now, if you'd said you just aimed down the arrow and shot barebow, then yes. It's perfectly possible to shoot that kind of group at 25 yards with the bow canted 45 degrees.I do it all the time.
But for what you say you did, I have to call BS.
But for what you say you did, I have to call BS.
LOL..............care to make a wager on that Arthur?
02-06-2008, 05:56 PM
#88
Nontypical Buck
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
i know you say you are no expert...but take a beginner or someone who cannot shot as well as you....those slight changes in their shooting would, IMO, have much more dramitic results...even at 25 yards....someone who has shot for as long as you have, could still mentally correct for your "forced" errors....just my 2 cents...
02-06-2008, 06:03 PM
#89
Nontypical Buck
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
ORIGINAL: JNTURK
...but take a beginner or someone who cannot shot as well as you....those slight changes in their shooting would, IMO, have much more dramitic results...even at 25 yards....
...but take a beginner or someone who cannot shot as well as you....those slight changes in their shooting would, IMO, have much more dramitic results...even at 25 yards....
02-06-2008, 06:08 PM
#90
Dominant Buck
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RE: What's all the fuss about?? (forgiveness--accuracy--etc)
In all honesty, Atlas....Rob and I had this very discussion a few months ago....and I'd never tried it (TFOX was in on that one, too). Don't flatter yourself. I needed to see for me.
It IS an unfortunate fact that there are those who will jump at any opportunity to tryto discredit another forum member. I had it happen to me when I shot at two deer in one day, this past fall. I know exactly what you're talking about.
I had let this go. Let it.
It IS an unfortunate fact that there are those who will jump at any opportunity to tryto discredit another forum member. I had it happen to me when I shot at two deer in one day, this past fall.
I know exactly what you're talking about.I had let this go. Let it.